[x] Back off for now and hope they won't press their attack - and if they do, your team will be fighting together.
 
So uh, what's the possibility that the snow ninjas here weren't initially hostile? I mean, yeah they were in canon, but canon also only had 3-4 of them so things have clearly changed.

Then Hisana initiated contact with explosive kunai from a range where
At this distance, without a dojutsu of their own, they were unlikely to spot her.


So any return fire could have just been self-defence.
 
So uh, what's the possibility that the snow ninjas here weren't initially hostile?
Remote at best. You don't send multiple watercraft containing armored ninja plus another dozen armored flying ninja on a patrol or normal scouting pattern. This was a force meant to find the Princess, overwhelm any protection she may have had and either capture or kill her.
 
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[x] Back off for now and hope they won't press their attack - and if they do, your team will be fighting together.
 
So uh, what's the possibility that the snow ninjas here weren't initially hostile? I mean, yeah they were in canon, but canon also only had 3-4 of them so things have clearly changed.
Remote at best. You don't send multiple watercraft containing armored ninja plus another dozen armored flying ninja on a patrol or normal scouting pattern. This was a force meant to find the Princess, overwhelm any protection she may have had and either capture or kill her.

Also, the snow-ninja responded like a force that was expecting combat. Sure, ninjas should always be on guard but they immediately jumped into combat without so much as a scramble. Given that there's no war on, there'd be no other reason for this many shinobi to concentrated on this particular slice of ocean.

Troop concentrations are considered hostile posture in real life and there's no reason to think it'd be different here.
 
the surviving boats couldn't turn their kunai launchers on her.
20. If you're not willing to shell your own position, you're not willing to win.

That was an acceptable alpha strike, having eliminated their boats and artillery. As Uber pointed out the intelligence gains are worth it as well. Falling back to a fortified position has the advantages of giving Hisana a fortified position to fight from, backup from her team, making the enemy expend chakra to waterwalk the distance while wearing armour, and having her on hand when enemy reinforcements surprisingly but inevitably attack the ship from the opposite direction.

I don't like the phrasing of this option, as I'm hoping that they do press their attack rather than falling back to recuperate.
[x] Back off for now and hope they won't press their attack - and if they do, your team will be fighting together.

break through to the exiled princess underneath the actresses mask.
hand sign and was rocketed

Hey just saw the second movie and the Stone of Gelel is basically Nature Energy crystal/stone form. The royal family in the movie must have a bloodline that can interact and manipulate with Nature Energy. The Toad oil in the summon realm is something similar but more dangerous and in a way unrefined compare to the Stone of Gelel
The Stone it self is not bad like what that elder nomad said because it was human that did the damage. Like that elder said it could be use heal, raise crops and even give a person eternal youth.
I thought the environmental damage was due to excessive long-term Gelel stone manufacture draining the area of natural energy until everything died, essentially a localized version of what Kaguya was planning to do on a planetary scale.
 
I thought the environmental damage was due to excessive long-term Gelel stone manufacture draining the area of natural energy until everything died, essentially a localized version of what Kaguya was planning to do on a planetary scale.
It could be a few reason for that but if that true then the weasel would be dead because of it by now not restore or let him live with eternal youth.
1) It natural area that was on top of a ruins of a dead civilization. Question how old is that civilization is it before Sage or while his there?
2) The war before that damage it before (from regular ninja wars or the war with the Gelel stone as a weapon)
3) The creation of Gelel stone from the royal family use to much Nature Energy in the area.
 
It could be a few reason for that but if that true then the weasel would be dead because of it by now not restore or let him live with eternal youth.
1) It natural area that was on top of a ruins of a dead civilization. Question how old is that civilization is it before Sage or while his there?
2) The war before that damage it before (from regular ninja wars or the war with the Gelel stone as a weapon)
3) The creation of Gelel stone from the royal family use to much Nature Energy in the area.
A natural animal could not have lived that long so it must have had a Gelel stone inside of it. It also wasn't living in the area but was taken with the survivors when they left. The man who hired the mission was taking care of it, as his family had done for generations, or nobody could have known that it was missing.

Battlefields and dead civilizations get covered in overgrowth rather quickly once the humans are gone, typically within a few years. This was at minimum centuries and as you say may even predate the Sage. Remaining barren for so long either means severe pollution or some other long lasting or active effect.
 
A natural animal could not have lived that long so it must have had a Gelel stone inside of it. It also wasn't living in the area but was taken with the survivors when they left. The man who hired the mission was taking care of it, as his family had done for generations, or nobody could have known that it was missing.

Battlefields and dead civilizations get covered in overgrowth rather quickly once the humans are gone, typically within a few years. This was at minimum centuries and as you say may even predate the Sage. Remaining barren for so long either means severe pollution or some other long lasting or active effect.
It most likely is the long lasting effect of creating and mining. It could be when the royal family created the mine in large scale it could be blocking the Natural Energy like a clog. It was shown that around the area was growing and recovering and was in a porter of the Sand village area which is a desert.
This is fun theorizing about the 2nd movie for future event we will go. So who will we bring I would vote Shikamaru and Sakura like the original event or maybe Shino or Kiba to fight against the wolf lady that can use sonic attack what about you. Shino would be especially effective against the puppet homunculus knight with his bugs.
 
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20. If you're not willing to shell your own position, you're not willing to win.

That was an acceptable alpha strike, having eliminated their boats and artillery. As Uber pointed out the intelligence gains are worth it as well. Falling back to a fortified position has the advantages of giving Hisana a fortified position to fight from, backup from her team, making the enemy expend chakra to waterwalk the distance while wearing armour, and having her on hand when enemy reinforcements surprisingly but inevitably attack the ship from the opposite direction.

I don't like the phrasing of this option, as I'm hoping that they do press their attack rather than falling back to recuperate.
[x] Back off for now and hope they won't press their attack - and if they do, your team will be fighting together.

break through to the exiled princess underneath the actresses mask.
hand sign and was rocketed


I thought the environmental damage was due to excessive long-term Gelel stone manufacture draining the area of natural energy until everything died, essentially a localized version of what Kaguya was planning to do on a planetary scale.
From what I remember from the movie, the only "environmental" issue was that if the main vein exploded it would take out the entire continent.

Other then that, what destroyed the original civilization were the wars that sprung up for control of the stone. What destroyed the original civilization wasn't environmental collapse but sudden none stop warfare breaking out(so probably Zetsu being an ass like usual).
 
From what I remember from the movie, the only "environmental" issue was that if the main vein exploded it would take out the entire continent.

Other then that, what destroyed the original civilization were the wars that sprung up for control of the stone. What destroyed the original civilization wasn't environmental collapse but sudden none stop warfare breaking out(so probably Zetsu being an ass like usual).
We don't know the civilization exits before Sage or while his there. It all depend on the author.
 
We don't know if the civilization exists before Sage or while his there. It all depend on the author.
oooh, is that the sound of headcanon I hear?

That could be interesting background lore.
Maybe the parts of Naruto that we consider the most "normal", the ninjas and the chakra and the daimyos and tailed beasts are actually things that are native to this particular spot of the world and elsewhere has had completely different histories, traditions, and fantastical resources to pull from. Aside from the global stuff, anyway.

It's not like the maps of Naruto are ever complete. There's plenty of space for other continents to keep their own business and let the shinobi kill each other over mercenary contracts, blood feuds and petty ambitions.

Maybe the major countries of Naruto are in the "here be dragons" section of the map that they tell travelers to avoid if at all possible. They're not the most stable place to live.
Maybe the extent of the Sage of Six Paths' and Kaguya's influence on the world is more concentrated than we've been led to assume.

Whatever happens elsewhere could definitely have nothing to do with shinobi, Kaguya aliens or the like because they're too distant to be bothered. It'd also be a lot more realistic on Zetsu's part. (Weaponizing the psychology of multiple nations would be a lot easier to do over centuries of time if you're only focused on aggravating tensions in one section of the world.)
 
oooh, is that the sound of headcanon I hear?

That could be interesting background lore.
Maybe the parts of Naruto that we consider the most "normal", the ninjas and the chakra and the daimyos and tailed beasts are actually things that are native to this particular spot of the world and elsewhere has had completely different histories, traditions, and fantastical resources to pull from. Aside from the global stuff, anyway.

It's not like the maps of Naruto are ever complete. There's plenty of space for other continents to keep their own business and let the shinobi kill each other over mercenary contracts, blood feuds and petty ambitions.

Maybe the major countries of Naruto are in the "here be dragons" section of the map that they tell travelers to avoid if at all possible. They're not the most stable place to live.
Maybe the extent of the Sage of Six Paths' and Kaguya's influence on the world is more concentrated than we've been led to assume.

Whatever happens elsewhere could definitely have nothing to do with shinobi, Kaguya aliens or the like because they're too distant to be bothered. It'd also be a lot more realistic on Zetsu's part. (Weaponizing the psychology of multiple nations would be a lot easier to do over centuries of time if you're only focused on aggravating tensions in one section of the world.)
First off, the place where the Stone of Gelel is located is in some mountain range near the border of Wind's far side. It's not that far from where the Ninjas are. Second, in the Stone of Gelel movie, Temujin, Haido the rest of Haido's knights were from a distant continent where knowledge of Chakra were completely unknown and the only superpowers came from the few Stones of Gelel that Temujin's ancestors brought with them when they migrated to said continent after their civilization collapsed.

Chakra being limited to just the ninja continent was already an idea introduced with the Stone of Gelel movie. That said, without Chakra or a substitute like the Stone of Gelel(which seems to either be a naturally occurring form of crystalized nature energy or a mineral that naturally stores nature energy in it, what with it's description as a mineral that contains life energy and how it's use resembles Orochimaru's Curse Seal and Sage Transformation), the only form of supernatural power around is Sage Training, which predates the coming of Kaguya to the planet(though the Sages produced by said training would be inferior to Ninja Sages since they wouldn't have access to their own Chakra and various jutsus, much like how Haido's Knights had difficulty handling ninja).
 
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[X] Back off for now and hope they won't press their attack - and if they do, your team will be fighting together.

This was a weakness of the chakra armor in movie canon, but Snow has clearly had some extra-canon development here, so while it's worth a shot, there's no guarantee that issue hasn't been patched out in version 2.0.
We should test whether they've patched out that weakness ASAP. If they haven't, we can use it, and if not, we won't be surprised by the lack later on.


pull an Aiko and touch blast them into oblivion
'Aiko'? Do you mean Shikako, or is this referencing another fic which I'm not familiar with?
 
'Aiko'? Do you mean Shikako, or is this referencing another fic which I'm not familiar with?
Aiko Uzumaki from Vapors by ElectraSev5n. While Dreaming of Sunshine does predate it, although I didn't read DoS until after Vapors, Aiko makes far heavier use of touch blasts then Shikako does. Zipping through a cloud of targets, dropping a touch blast on each, then detonating them all is a fairly memorable scene from Vapors while I can't really think of any examples of Shikako doing something similar.
 
Aiko Uzumaki from Vapors by ElectraSev5n. While Dreaming of Sunshine does predate it, although I didn't read DoS until after Vapors, Aiko makes far heavier use of touch blasts then Shikako does. Zipping through a cloud of targets, dropping a touch blast on each, then detonating them all is a fairly memorable scene from Vapors while I can't really think of any examples of Shikako doing something similar.
Ah, right. been a while since I read that.
 
All this talk about touch blasts reminds me that we should be extremely wary of other ninja with this capability, as practically all SI that dabble in fuinjutsu end up inventing it. And since our enemies are comprised mostly of SI, the chance of at least one of them using them (or an enhanced version) is high.
 
All this talk about touch blasts reminds me that we should be extremely wary of other ninja with this capability, as practically all SI that dabble in fuinjutsu end up inventing it. And since our enemies are comprised mostly of SI, the chance of at least one of them using them (or an enhanced version) is high.

You know what helps in dodging bad touch?

MORE SPEED!

:V
 
This was a weakness of the chakra armor in movie canon, but Snow has clearly had some extra-canon development here, so while it's worth a shot, there's no guarantee that issue hasn't been patched out in version 2.0.

I'd assume that it can't be patched out. The armour nullifies (most) ninjutsu and genjutsu on contact by absorbing it. Can't really get rid of the effect of 'two chakra vortexes touch each other' without also getting rid of that functionality entirely. And without that defence those using the armour go back to being worthless mooks.
 
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