PsyFarrow
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She didn't sense anything, that's just Hisana remembering the whole Asura/Indra reincarnation thing from the manga.
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She didn't sense anything, that's just Hisana remembering the whole Asura/Indra reincarnation thing from the manga.
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[x] Yes, report your encounter to Orochimaru
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Transmigrants have been around long enough and in enough numbers that Hisana might really be able to play herself off as being alive purely due to the chaos caused from their actions.
It's in our better interest to keep any knowledge we have hidden.
At this point, everybody and their mother knows about the Inserts, so any knowledge we have is likely already known by the important people/the specifics are no longer relevant. So, we might as well keep it as a trump card and be underestimated.
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Transmigrants have been around long enough and in enough numbers that Hisana might really be able to play herself off as being alive purely due to the chaos caused from their actions.
It's in our better interest to keep any knowledge we have hidden.
At this point, everybody and their mother knows about the Inserts, so any knowledge we have is likely already known by the important people/the specifics are no longer relevant. So, we might as well keep it as a trump card and be underestimated.
PsyFarrow
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Still haven't defected to Sound.
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But seriously, if we can pretend to be someone who survived due to chance, we should.
Yet.
azoicennead
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If Karin isn't a transmigrant, she "just" has Mind's Eye of the Kagura (her sensing ability) which lets her play lie detector based on chakra fluctuations and track a single person at 10+ km1 (this is when she's not putting extra effort into it).
If Karin is a transmigrant, she has the above boosted by the merging of her souls:
This boost gives Hisana a normal range of something like 500 meters2. Now, I'm not sure what Sasuke's canon chakra sensing abilities are like without using his Special Eyes, but considering Karin's level of sensor fidelity in canon I expect the result of a transmigrant Karin is some pretty incredible senses.
1 This means Karin can stand in one place and cover something like 1/3 of New York City on her own in a search; New York has a land area of 784 km2, and a 10 km radius circle covers 314 km2.
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I consider this most likely. Personally, if I were to end up in the reincarnation roulette and was a canon side character, discovering that Sakura was replaced by another Uchiha would throw up a "you're probably not the only one" flag, even sans what appear to be organizations directed by Hard Men Making Hard Decisions While Hard transmigrants.
I can think of two possibilities, aside from any Yamanaka nukenin just not being mentioned. The first is that there's a Yamanaka transmigrant that Karin is in contact with. The second is (much like you mentioned about someone else learning their techniques) that Orochimaru (or someone else, he's not the only [mad] scientist in canon) reverse-engineered them and Karin is/was in contact with them.
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Far as I'm concerned whether we trust Karin or not isn't as important as protecting that which we give a fuck about.
Considered it.
Best I know, though, it doesn't allow you sense souls.
And our transmigration process grabbed Hisana from a world without chakra, hence no chakra fluctuations to track.
Just as possible that she is an agent of one.
Orphan girl in Grass would be a tempting target to any independent with the knowledge of her potential.
And it might explain why alleged Grass Black Ops tried to assassinate her.
I wonder if Orochimaru has lost any other such future agents; Kimimaro, for example.
Or Suigetsu. Or even Juugo.
Especially if said Uchiha is a twelve or thirteen year old OC throwing around A-class performance in an entire range of abilities.
Every other child prodigy we know of in canon excelled in one or two things, and only later brought their other abilities up to par.
Kakashi was ninjutsu/taijutsu, Itachi was genjutsu/ninjutsu, Gai was taijutsu.....
Hisana OTOH is going full Professor: Fuinjutsu, Ninjustu, Kenjutsu, Genjutsu, Iryojutsu, Speed....
When it's put that way, we have been throwing up red flags for anyone with the background to suspect shenanigans.
My thoughts here mirror yours.
I will note that traitors/distant relatives figuring out clan techniques are not unknown; note this character from the Itachi novels
Mukai Kohinata
Dude activated a Byakugan in one eye, and used a knockoff version of Eight Trigrams.
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I just realised that there's a high chance we will end up fighting Gaara in the next chunin exam stage, so we should probably invest in sharingan-genjutsu - We will not have the option to avoid him in that scenario, so instead must rely on sharin-hax.
In the meantime, i will start drawing another piece of fan-art, but i may not be able to complete it in time...
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How many lines come off of our seal when it activates, again, and what general shape do they form? I have a general idea of it in my head, but i'd hate to get it wrong when drawing my actual fan-art.
In the meantime, i will start drawing another piece of fan-art, but i may not be able to complete it in time...
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How many lines come off of our seal when it activates, again, and what general shape do they form? I have a general idea of it in my head, but i'd hate to get it wrong when drawing my actual fan-art.
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azoicennead
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I'm not really clear on what point that last bit is supposed to support; whatever the nature of Hisana's origins, she has chakra now and she's clearly effected by having an extra soul. There may be indicators in how people feel to Karin's senses that point toward someone being a transmigrant. Or something.
Frankly, we have no idea what information Karin gets from being a sensor. I'm inclined to delay spending too much time theorizing with the minimal information we currently have.
If she's the agent of an SI and not one herself, they apparently sent her into a situation where she was likely to be in direct contact with a character who is infamous for his charisma (Naruto), which strikes me as pretty unwise if you want to keep an agent (as implied by the two assassins following her around). Adding in that she's an orphan and in some way aware that Naruto is related to her (meaning she has family) gives a good recipe for losing your agent.
Actually it just occurred to me that it is possible Karin became a transmigrant within the timespan of the second exam, because it would explain why we fought a Orochimaru clone, and how Karin dealt with a two man ANBU team despite her sensing ability only being slightly* better than Hisana. That is to say Karin was killed by her "teammates" only for Orochimaru to run into the scene, and revive her using the same Jutsu used on Hisana knowing Karin's importance to "the Script"**.
This would also explain why a Uchiha who participated in the massacre was simply watching Hisana until she woke up I.E the individual wanted to confirm the Jutsu was a success, and is one possible explanation for why Karin didn't specify a direction when calling out an approaching enemy team, which is a mistake you'd expect from a fresh Genin not someone whose gone on enough missions to at least maintain the appearance that her death would be an unfortunate coincidence instead of something deliberate on the part of Grass's leadership.
Anyways if my hypothesis is even remotely accurate Karin is liable to breakdown the moment she thinks the two of them are alone.
*She was at the front of the formation, and noticed the sound team approaching from behind at the same time as Hisana, so unless is hiding her true abilities as a sensor...
**The series of event we call canon, well those Konoha knew about when Orochimaru left in addition to whatever else he has learned afterward.
This would also explain why a Uchiha who participated in the massacre was simply watching Hisana until she woke up I.E the individual wanted to confirm the Jutsu was a success, and is one possible explanation for why Karin didn't specify a direction when calling out an approaching enemy team, which is a mistake you'd expect from a fresh Genin not someone whose gone on enough missions to at least maintain the appearance that her death would be an unfortunate coincidence instead of something deliberate on the part of Grass's leadership.
Anyways if my hypothesis is even remotely accurate Karin is liable to breakdown the moment she thinks the two of them are alone.
*She was at the front of the formation, and noticed the sound team approaching from behind at the same time as Hisana, so unless is hiding her true abilities as a sensor...
**The series of event we call canon, well those Konoha knew about when Orochimaru left in addition to whatever else he has learned afterward.
Fair enough.
Do note that,if she IS an agent, there is no guarantee that her handler is the same person that sent the two assassins along.
There is precedent for triple and quadruple-agency in Naruto.
But I'm coming to the conclusion that she worked for Grass Intelligence, and no one else.
She just provided corroborating evidence for the presence of at least two Players:
The Men in Black(Trenchcoats)
The Men in Capes
These people have been active enough(attacks in Leaf country?!) that the major villages will know of them, just like all the villages knew of and hired Akatsuki at one point or the other. Konoha even took MIB prisoners. So anyone working in Intel should know of them.
If Grass are aware of Karins strength as a sensor, it's entirely possible that they sent her along to the chuunin exams to gather intel, and she broke for it. And if they were using her as a long range scout as well as medic, it would explain some of how she has knowledge of multiple factions [headed by, staffed with?] transmigrants without actually knowing what their faction names are.
The presence of the assassins does imply that they wanted to secure her; whether safe from attack, or unavailable to the other side by any means necessary, we don't know. The fact that they only sent two implies they do not have full access to transmigrant intel, else they'd send better with a potentially A-S class chakra suppressor.
Yamanaka techniques can't read previous life memories according to her.
But that won't be any protection against present life memories, including any meetings or plots with transmigrants, which any Leaf mind-probe will find.
Including any convos with Hisana.
Given that she assaulted two members of Grass Black Ops, she isn't looking to go back.
So unless she has some sort of Mind Blank technique.....
We know what Karin's sensor range was at 16.
We don't actually know what it is at 13, even assuming she got training.
Well, that's quite interesting. Of course, Karin could easily be lying and bluffing. She clearly knows some things about the whole transmigrant situation but it's entirely possible she's baiting Hisana into revealing information by appearing to be more informed than she actually is.
Karin might be a transmigrant or she might not, she might have been targeted by assassins or she might not, Karin might be able to sense transmigrants or she might not.
I suppose the questions are how do we respond, do we trust her and do we feign not being a transmigrant.
As of right now, she hasn't actually asked us to do anything that requires us to trust her. She has identified two demon containers and Orochimaru which is useful for us since it means we can now finger them and point to Karin as the source of the information. But, she hasn't actually asked us to do anything so we're OK there.
She's also sent us a message only in English which is interesting because it implies that other transmigrants are all English speakers. Regardless actually talking to her right now is dangerous because she might be mind scanned if she decides to join Leaf and we don't want to be seen as having a prior relationship with her.
tl;dr: Hisana should pretend to not be a transmigrant for now. Also, Karin might be lying about be targeted by assassins.
[X] Yes, report your encounter with Orochimaru.
Karin might be a transmigrant or she might not, she might have been targeted by assassins or she might not, Karin might be able to sense transmigrants or she might not.
I suppose the questions are how do we respond, do we trust her and do we feign not being a transmigrant.
As of right now, she hasn't actually asked us to do anything that requires us to trust her. She has identified two demon containers and Orochimaru which is useful for us since it means we can now finger them and point to Karin as the source of the information. But, she hasn't actually asked us to do anything so we're OK there.
She's also sent us a message only in English which is interesting because it implies that other transmigrants are all English speakers. Regardless actually talking to her right now is dangerous because she might be mind scanned if she decides to join Leaf and we don't want to be seen as having a prior relationship with her.
tl;dr: Hisana should pretend to not be a transmigrant for now. Also, Karin might be lying about be targeted by assassins.
[X] Yes, report your encounter with Orochimaru.
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[X] Yes, report your encounter to Orochimaru
Nothing to see here, move along.
Nothing to see here, move along.
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We aren't defecting to Sound...Yet!
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If all these 'to' votes keep up, I might have to include an omake about Hisana telling everything to an ANBU who is secretly Orochimaru in disguise.
If all these 'to' votes keep up, I might have to include an omake about Hisana telling everything to an ANBU who is secretly Orochimaru in disguise.
Mellodi
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[x] Yes, report your encounter with Orochimaru
I don't know why I read this in an incredulous angry female mexican accent
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That would be amazing!
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To be fair, the English part could be since she (Karin) was a native English speaker. Most native English speakers never learn another language and just assume others will speak English, or at least that's how it is for much of the US.
