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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Ithillid said:
I am pretty sure we can do Rune Metal 2b, and Valaya's Runes, and get all three commissions done on time if we go:

Turn 36:
-3 actions Rune Metal 2b
-1 action Prince's commission.

Turn 37:
-1 action Rune Metal 2b
-3 actions Valaya's Runes

Turn 38:
-1 action Valaya's Runes
-3 actions Valayan Armor

Turn 39:
- 3 actions Valayan Armor
- 1 action Dronril, Dronwut

Turn 40:
-2 actions Valayan Armor
-3 actions Gazul Armor

Turn 41:
-3 actions Gazul Armor
- 2 free actions

Turn 42:
-2 actions Gazul Armor
-3 free actions.
This should get us a little bit of overkill on both big commissions, and give us some space to move things around and knock out other research, while avoiding all-in turns.
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What about the waterway commission for the hold that trades with the elves that gives us +1 standing with the king should we factor that into the mix? Also if we do the 1 action Dronril, Dronwut next turn that may cut the amount of actions for rune metal and Valaya rune research.

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[X] Brana: Accept
[X] Ceremony: Subdued.
 
Ithillid said:
Turn 36:
-3 actions Rune Metal 2b
-1 action Prince's commission.

Turn 37:
-1 action Rune Metal 2b
-3 actions Valaya's Runes

Turn 38:
-1 action Valaya's Runes
-3 actions Valayan Armor

Turn 39:
- 3 actions Valayan Armor
- 1 action Dronril, Dronwut

Turn 40:
-2 actions Valayan Armor
-3 actions Gazul Armor

Turn 41:
-3 actions Gazul Armor
- 2 free actions

Turn 42:
-2 actions Gazul Armor
-3 free actions.
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This is one action short on the chain.
 
Tomcost said:
Of course, I just don't want the rest of our retinue to be filled with more rangers. I want even more variety!
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I am totally with you on that, more variety is great and we already have a ton of rangers.
werdZerg13 said:
What about the waterway commission for the hold that trades with the elves that gives us +1 standing with the king should we factor that into the mix? Also if we do the 1 action Dronril, Dronwut next turn that may cut the amount of actions for rune metal and Valaya rune research.

Edit:
[X] Brana: Accept
[X] Ceremony: Subdued.
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I don't really think the waterway commission is worth it. The most likely Bonus is -1 turns to Ulthuan orders which really isn't worth the action cost, plus we are likely to get that last standing from the chain once we reveal it. We can let Ogra Warmaker handle the gate.
 
Jreengus said:
I am totally with you on that, more variety is great and we already have a ton of rangers.

I don't really think the waterway commission is worth it. The most likely Bonus is -1 turns to Ulthuan orders which really isn't worth the action cost, plus we are likely to get that last standing from the chain once we reveal it. We can let Ogra Warmaker handle the gate.
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On the contrary, I think that getting more standing with the most Elgi-related place is going to open us to some interesting collaborations in the future I think. Don't we also need a lot of favor to throw and get fluent in Eltharin and learn alchemy?
 
[X] Brana: Accept
[X] Ceremony: Subdued.

Definite no contest to me. I want the princess to just personally bullrush through anyone who wants to ask about her new limbs. We could even say it is the reason why we made it so her new (non visible due to clothes) legs give her a boost to resolve. The arm is just to be able to punch through those persistently rude enough to continue bothering her :V
 
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Ithillid said:
I am pretty sure we can do Rune Metal 2b, and Valaya's Runes, and get all three commissions done on time if we go
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This has been brought up a few times at this point and it pretty much boils down to people not wanting to skimp on overkill for the prince which any such plan necessitates.

Edit: Wait where's your third commission? Are you counting the prince's? The plan we've been working under has been planning to do all this any way you've kind of just shifted around how its been done.
 
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Tomcost said:
On the contrary, I think that getting more standing with the most Elgi-related place is going to open us to some interesting collaborations in the future I think. Don't we also need a lot of favor to throw and get fluent in Eltharin and learn alchemy?
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We don't get any favour for that request only standing, and like I said we're likely to get that final point of standing from the chain. Given we're not planning to start working on Eltharin until after the Valayan commission where we're hoping to reveal the chain doing the gate may well have no tangible benefit at all.
 
BungieONI said:
This is one action short on the chain.
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Remember that we only have seven actions remaining on the Chain.
Journeyman of the Odd: Every 3 research actions used for Talismanic, Engineering runes or weird/odd concepts in general, add 2 free action's worth of progress. Research gains from studying odd materials improved.
Soul of the Earth: Every 2 research actions used on all minerals, metals or other earthborn things add 1 free action's worth of progress. Work with all metals will be greatly improved.

3 actions on one turn nets six worth of progress. 1 action on the next rounds it out to a full seven, unless I am seriously missing something.
 
Why are we focusing on the firebird feather? If we learn the language I expect that will progress just from having more sources of information.
 
I really really want to skip Gazul's commission. We're getting new requests pretty conisistantly that all sound interesting and I bet there will eventually be another one for Gazul that gives rep that doesn't take 12 actions. The Grungni one is just so much better action wise.
 
Re: Dolgi getting Brana retainers, while that might be nice in a sense it would also be something that would probably not happen for a couple centuries or something like that. The impression I get is that retainers are a BFD; we didn't get any until we were a very old and well-respected Runelord, and it was still treated as a serious decision/commitment. And out of "very old," "well-respected," and "Runelord" Dolgi is at best at 1/3 of those.

So yeah, I'ma go with the kittybirbs now. I also agree with everyone saying that a subdued ceremony seems more in line with what Orra would want on a personal level, and I think Snorri would be inclined to respect that because of who he is as a person himself.

It looks like the proposed plans I'm seeing both spend a ton of actions on Rune Metal 2b, but I'm not getting it. Why is that worth prioritizing? It seems like a pure prestige thing. If we're going to focus on doing more Rune Metal research, why not do Part 5? It seems like that's a lot more likely to unlock something interesting/useful.

Edit: also, seconding this in a big way tbh:
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
I really really want to skip Gazul's commission. We're getting new requests pretty conisistantly that all sound interesting and I bet there will eventually be another one for Gazul that gives rep that doesn't take 12 actions. The Grungni one is just so much better action wise.
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These are not creatively interesting commissions in that they are pretty much "feed actions into this until done" rather than something where we can test out new combos or anything like that. And they suck up a huge number of actions. Yeah, maybe they'll wind up producing something cool, but something cooler than what we could have learned/made/whatever with the multiple turns worth of actions required to complete it? Honestly I would have preferred to skip the Valayan commission for those reasons, chaining from there directly into another commission that's just as big and just as bland one sounds awful.

[x] Brana: Accept
[x] Ceremony: Subdued.
 
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Ithillid said:
Remember that we only have seven actions remaining on the Chain.
Journeyman of the Odd: Every 3 research actions used for Talismanic, Engineering runes or weird/odd concepts in general, add 2 free action's worth of progress. Research gains from studying odd materials improved.
Soul of the Earth: Every 2 research actions used on all minerals, metals or other earthborn things add 1 free action's worth of progress. Work with all metals will be greatly improved.

3 actions on one turn nets six worth of progress. 1 action on the next rounds it out to a full seven, unless I am seriously missing something.
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You aren't missing anything although the way your plan is laid out right now you get less overkill on 2B compared to the current one and less overkill on the prince commission.
 
Because by the description, 2b is "Gromril Chain, but actually producible without a T5 and a T4 in sync".

And handing THAT out to a whole cult Via Valayans?

Going to be a good shot in the arm.
 
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