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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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The thing with the politics discussion is that we're the eldest runelord of the north.

Regardless of if we mean to or not, what we do acts as an example to other runelords and -smiths in the area, and to a slightly lesser degree due to our age as an example to all younger generations on what an elder should be like. Hell, Igna quite seriously described our Karak as "A Hold whose Runesmith community can be summed up as, 'trying to be Klausson and failing.'" not two turn updates ago.

Like with the whole prosthetics thing. We may not mean to fracture the entire runesmithing community of all dwarves, but if we push for widespread adoption among the runesmiths and the whole thing propagates, it inherently becomes a political statement of "I know better than the runesmiths in what they should learn and spend their time on" regardless if that is our intention or not.

We are a figure of renown and power. People pay attention to what we do. By some definitions, everything we do (including seclusion or inaction) are political statements on some level, simply because people look up to us and want to emulate us. The bigger the impact of whatever we are doing, the more people hear about it, the more people will be influenced by it, the more people will ascribe political tones to it, even if our actual reason for doing whatever we are doing is in reality "because it sounded cool" or whatever.

Welcome to being famous.
 
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Runelord business is only a subset of what it takes to run a clan. For instance, i don't see Snorri involving himself in a marriage negotiation for a clan member.
Otoh, if its rune related, he'd be the goto person.
What kind of issues are you envisioning Snorri involving himself into?
Rune-politics such as finding masters for beardlings (when he can't take them on himself?)

The Gromril and other runic ingredient trade, potentially influencing marriages to other runesmith rather than non-runesmith clans or not, investing some of his vast wealth in helping Clan beardlings establish or expand their businesses, ensuring clan holdings have adequate levels of defences, etc
 
Sitting with the elders is something Snorri would do (and probably has been doing offscreen) for the last hundred years.
But i don't see him getting involved in things like negotiations on behalf of clan Winterheath. He's got enough on his plate with being the runelord of kraka drakk and his own work.
Due to (probably not reading closely enough) the way the posts went, I got the impression that people asked "Can we sit with the other elders on Kumenouht?" and others answered "No, because we don't do politics." That sent me blinking and confused. And then even your own post shortly after seemed like a confirmation of that to me. ><

After a second readthrough,
@soulcake is Snorri old enough yet to be an elder of his clan and if yes is there any reason we wouldn't be involved in determining clan affairs?
We don't do politics.
this reply was probably referring to the "any reason we wouldn't be involved in determining clan affairs?" half of the post when saying "We don't do politics." Woops. :rofl:


... Anyway. My previous post of "Well, people probably have a different feel for what counts as 'politics' and 'meddling' or not..." still more or less stands. Just with less of me assuming "Wait, sitting with the other 800+ year old elders is something we don't do 'because politics'? Whaaaat?" like a derp.

Right, anyway. Snorri probably does some dealing and advising and trading and business. Heck, we know he purchases land, when he goes out and finds the Odd Places things. We also know that he spends a lot of time writing and exchanging papers and letters, with all sorts of craftsdwarfs and colleagues and peers. And of course he sends his Hearth Guard out to go and be helpful.

But he doesn't... quite... politic the way you'd normally define politicking.

He just looks at the world in terms of 'things that need doing' or 'people that need help' or 'beautiful things that need to be crafted' and 'mysteries and pinnacles of craftsdwarfship to uncover and reach' and 'Ancestors to honor.'

... Oh, right, there's another question/topic of politics, too. Political affiliation, at least. Namely, Runelord-type politics and stuff. There, Snorri probably doesn't do much politicking. And hence gets a reputation of "a Dwarf who is very odd to other Runesmiths but possessed of impeccable honor." At least he's not another Yorri, who apparently "was known to rabble-rouse for the heck of it."

Snorri really knew how to teach 'em, though. The deliberately-shortened Apprenticeship, which resulted in a Runelord who takes teaching damn seriously and thoroughly, may even have been calculated for precisely that effect; of cultivating in someone a talent for free/odd-thinking, creativity, a desire to master many specialties and crafts, and a commitment to Apprentices when he takes them. Weird and crazy to do something like that, to give somebody a 20-year Apprenticeship with the expectation/foreward-thinking of the effects it'll have on that Dwarf's own Apprenticeships, but... But, well, Master Yorri is quite skilled and clever.
 
I personally would love to be the proverbial fly on the wall watching Yorri getting grumbled at by his Elders over Snorri's apprenticeship.
 
I wonder how the short apprenticeship would have been handled if the thread had chosen Angkra Twenty Loops or Gottri Hammerspite as our Master. Yorri is weird enough that it works, but Angkra is a daughter of Thungni and Gottri is just really old. Both of them should know better! :p
 
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[ ]Master: Angkra Twenty Loops.
A Runelord of immense skill and mighty focus, a member of the Burudin, a daughter of Thungni. As an apprentice, the rune of protection she presented as her apprentice piece was so well crafted that her master supposedly called it acceptable(a true feat of skill as any dwarf will tell you.), as a journeyman she single-handedly created the Panoply of Gotrek. A masterwork set of armour so well made that Thane Gotrek Sharpeyes, a dwarf of such riches and exacting eye that even a Master Runesmith would find difficulty satisfying him, swore an oath to offer equal recompense lest he shame himself and his ancestors. An oath he, to this day, does not consider fulfilled. Upon attaining the rank of Master it took only a scant 5 decades for her to claim the venerable rank of Runelord. Under her, you were taught endurance and precision above all else. To the outside world, she was stoic and obstinate as the mountains themselves, in private you remember her kind smile and delicious stonebread. It was a reminder every day of the world's cruelty, that a woman so generous, had suffered so much. (Specialization: Armor and Talisman Runes, exacting precision and stonebread cookies.)
I have to wonder who taught Angkra. If she wasn't so old, I would comment about the stress of teaching one of the Ancestor's children. Thungni taught the first generation of Runesmiths, so I'm guessing that one of Thungni's children or grandchildren taught her.

But seriously, can you imagine the stress?

Huh, it seems that Angkra had her own tragic backstory, like Yorri. And probably like Gottri but we don't know that for sure. Maybe she lost children?
 
Personally I'm wondering how Yorri will react to our most recent accomplishment. Seems like a good opportunity to come and visit and we do have some extra prods to spend.
 
Snerra is the Ankgra of her generation, so yes, Snorri knows.
E: and so do Dolgi and fjolla hehe
That isn't what I was talking about. Even then, I do not believe that Angkra is a prodigy along the lines of Snerra. I would say that she's an equal of Yorri and Gottri, simply because it makes sense for the potential Masters to be equally skilled, but specialized in different areas. Where Snerra has much much much more potential than any of them. Anyways, I wasn't really referring to that. I was talking about the whole Ancestor part. Like how Gemlin was comissioned by Gazul to make a sword, and how that stressed him out a lot because fucking up would have looked really bad infront of an Ancestor. And this would have been training an Ancestor's daughter.

Of course, Angkra's Master was probably one of her siblings or a niece or nephew, so I don't think the stress would have been as severe as it was for Gemlin, but still.

RNGesus was very kind to her.

Literal once in a generation tier genius baby. Only Kurgaz, the dwarf who would create the Anvils of Doom is on par with her in terms of raw talent.

Course, many others still beat her out in age and experience, but Snerra's skill roof is far far higher than theirs.
A commission from Gazul Himself. While certainly not of the likes of Thungni or Grungni, He was an Ancestor all the same. To have your work be considered acceptable enough that an Ancestor commission you. By the Ancestors, it was a dream and nightmare come true for any dwarf.

"Must've been a hell of a time forging that," you reply.

"Ha! I damn near scoured every tome and spoke to every priest of Gazul I could find to make sure I made a proper sword. Damn things don't make a lick of sense to me, but when He asked me to make one, well.."

"...it'd be a shame to not make anything short of a true masterpiece," you finish, drawing a nod of agreement from him.
Personally I'm wondering how Yorri will react to our most recent accomplishment. Seems like a good opportunity to come and visit and we do have some extra prods to spend.
I can tell you!

[Smug feelings of justification for 2 decades of apprenticeship]

:p
 
Sounds good to me. What kind of theme, function or description write-in are you thinking of going with? Inputting into it? "Delegation, wisdom, stoicism, and learning"?

Perhaps the phrase "A king is a craftsman..."? The phrase that Snorri started off his speech with. It's short and punchy. Might be cool to include that line in the gift itself somewhere, in some runic inscription like a sort of tagline or something. To remind the boy and his descendants of that.
"To help a Prince become a Good King: strong of arm, determined through failure, wise, and with a keen craftsman's skill." I think, still tinkering over the exact wording a bit.

Being a "Good King", "strong of arm" and "determined through failure" are all things that should play well with the King's equipment and the first bit outlines a progression from Prince to King, which necessitates being the Heir in between. I've set aside a set bonus with the Heir's set for now, and have just focused on the King's stuff. Further, it's useful for everyone who takes up the King's regalia after Gimli.

@UlseDovThur the Brotherhood did not make Adamant by beating the crap out of Gromril till it went pure. They did it by loading a crapton of it into a smelter/some other hot thing, filled it with elder dragon blood and then melting it down to get a mass of adamant and pure gromril.

"Your batch, the yield of 'Adamant' per Kilo of Pure Gromril to be precise. Same as us, just as a point of reference what sort of yield are you looking at so we know how far along you are. Purely professional I assure you."Gorra asks innocently.

"I believe...we're both talking past each other," you begin cautiously, arm ruffling around in your satchel before it finds what you're looking for.

The assembled group stares as you pull out the warded parchment and unroll it just enough for a diagram of your Rune to flash before their eyes for a moment.

"Hmmph, clearly our research has led us down separate paths. You willing to share? Not the process, but your output of material, and we'll do the same" Dammin says to the nods of the other Brotherhood members.

"About a bar every two decades per smelter, though I have enough smelters now to get up to a bar per decade. Total conversion of the bar though. Only thing stopping me from making more is the Rule of Pride."

"Master Rune then, considering the stories about you Gift Giver," Magda says.

"Aye, and going by your reactions it's something I found out on my own. Cracking open the Trollbrew when I get home I suppose," you mutter.

"Well, our process produces a far higher yield of about 60 bars of material every five decades, so about a dozen or so bars averaged out per decade. Though the conversion is not total. Dependent entirely on how fast we can process the billet," Bogrin explains.
It's not precisely clear the exact activity they did while melting it, but they did more or less have a very expensive way to produce a lot of it. Snorri just gave them a much more efficient way to do it.

Personally I think the reason Smednir crossed out Grombrynril in favor of Adamant is that he just liked it more. That'd be the simplest reason.
 
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Do we know what the odds are like for rolling a combo? I feel like there's a lot of suggestions are likely to givie a combo and I really don't like the idea of giving that up for a roll of unknown chances.

On the topic of the heirs set has there been any discussion of what weapon set to go with? 2h axe would obviously give them practice for Troll Slayer but 2 axe or s&b gives a lot more room to play with combos and try to get a set bonus going.
 
Do we know what the odds are like for rolling a combo? I feel like there's a lot of suggestions are likely to givie a combo and I really don't like the idea of giving that up for a roll of unknown chances.

On the topic of the heirs set has there been any discussion of what weapon set to go with? 2h axe would obviously give them practice for Troll Slayer but 2 axe or s&b gives a lot more room to play with combos and try to get a set bonus going.
It's not that hard from what I recall. We got theme combos for the cloaks, and Orra's amulet. (The only fucking things we've comboed for the royal items, aside from Trollslayer. We'll see about her limbs.)
 
On the topic of the heirs set has there been any discussion of what weapon set to go with? 2h axe would obviously give them practice for Troll Slayer but 2 axe or s&b gives a lot more room to play with combos and try to get a set bonus going.
Gimli has been fighting with three Axes (made by Karstah) since his thirties... and he is now ~140 years old.
Personally, I'd really rather not muscle in on that Relation, and let her have a chance at replacing those Apprentice pieces when she gets back from Journeying.
 
Gimli has been fighting with three Axes (made by Karstah) since his thirties... and he is now ~140 years old.
Personally, I'd really rather not muscle in on that Relation, and let her have a chance at replacing those Apprentice pieces when she gets back from Journeying.
I think Jreengus meant Gloin's stuff more than Gimli's.
 
You know, I wonder if we can some day order a Voidstone or two for the time we managed to bumble into making the Master Runes of Purification on other item slots. Like Weapons and Banners. Perhaps one day we could make a variant of the Adamant Smelter that acts similarly to Snerra's Anvil of Power (aka Runestaff that also aids in doing something else), but knowing our luck, it'd be several turns away.
 
You know, I wonder if we can some day order a Voidstone or two for the time we managed to bumble into making the Master Runes of Purification on other item slots. Like Weapons and Banners. Perhaps one day we could make a variant of the Adamant Smelter that acts similarly to Snerra's Anvil of Power (aka Runestaff that also aids in doing something else), but knowing our luck, it'd be several turns away.
That'd be a Talisman, so technically we could do it right now, though the main issue is that the rune isn't really suited to improving casting. Putting it on a stick, it's a bit uncertain what it'd even do.
 
You know, I wonder if we can some day order a Voidstone or two for the time we managed to bumble into making the Master Runes of Purification on other item slots. Like Weapons and Banners. Perhaps one day we could make a variant of the Adamant Smelter that acts similarly to Snerra's Anvil of Power (aka Runestaff that also aids in doing something else), but knowing our luck, it'd be several turns away.
I would really like to do Understand a Master Rune on the Master Rune of Purification one day. Both because it's bound to help us with T5 Gromril and the Prismatic Dragon Blood, and also because a Weapon version sounds like it would be killer on Chaos enemies (purify while heating violently: could it be be any better?).
 
Mmm, I suppose an az we could legit call Dum-a-Dumi (Doom of Chaos) would be pretty metal, eh? Or should we call it Dumi-dum (Chaos' Doom) or just Dum-Dum?

... I think I prefer Dum Dum. It's pretty... silly, and innocent.
 
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Mmm, I suppose an az we could legit call Dum-a-Dumi (Doom of Chaos) would be pretty metal, eh? Or should we call it Dumi-dum (Chaos' Doom) or just Dum-Dum?

... I think I prefer Dum Dum. It's pretty... silly, and innocent.
It'd be Dum-A-Dumi yeah. But Dum Dum is pretty funny.

And a Purification Axe with supporting runes would probably play quite well with the set due to the energy hungry nature.
 
An anti-chaos weapon should really be a sword from what we've seen, as swords are the dwarven tool for killing things.

And we've seen Gazul in action.
 
I wonder if we could make an alchemy equivalent to Makestrike using MPurification or some other alchemy rune that we eventually discover. Something that can be used to blast things apart or wack material and purify or alter it as needed. That might be an interesting capstone weapon to make using the t5 rune metal and everything we learn from alchemy.
 
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