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I though that was the idea right from the start
I mean orks live for the fight so at least the Slanns are giving them what they want
Respect Your Elders v2 - Galactic Boogaloo [Warhammer Lizardmen Quest]
- Thread starter Xantalos
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I though that was the idea right from the start
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- Germany
Eldar = arrogant but talented older brother
Lizardmen = studious but indifferent middle brother
Orks = athletic but dumb youngest brother
Necrontyr = that angry neighbour, who constantly complains about everything
The oldest turned to drugs and debauchery, the youngest became a brute and the middle one still waits for his parents text message to decide on what to do.
Lizardmen = studious but indifferent middle brother
Orks = athletic but dumb youngest brother
Necrontyr = that angry neighbour, who constantly complains about everything
The oldest turned to drugs and debauchery, the youngest became a brute and the middle one still waits for his parents text message to decide on what to do.
Godzillaslayer10
I am ready for this quest!
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I'm torn on the idea that the Krork were made to complete themselves. Xantalos has already said the Slann can descend into being monsters but from my perspective, the Krork were complete existences from day one because they are Monsters. The Lizardmen on the other hand weren't complete creations/static existences.The Krork are created monsters and will stay monsters because that's part of what being a monster is under Red Flag's system which this quest heavily borrows from. A Krork/Ork will never question why they want to fight. They do not have the ability to suppress that urge to fight. They fight, they kill, and lack the ability to change themselves from that state. They are complete existences in that regard. The Lizardmen on the other hand are incomplete in that they can still grow and change. They will likely stay builders, but the fact they can even try to rationalize the Orks as either failed creations or creations from other Old Ones proves to me they're incomplete existences and can grow in ways that the Old Ones couldn't see. The Lizardmen are dynamic incomplete beings. The Orks were made complete static Monsters.
If the Slann look at Krork and go "Good they're working as intended" I think that would mean the questers have made the Lizardmen Monsters.
See classic sibling dynamic. The younger annoying sibling bugs the older to get what they want.
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- Mid-Atlantic
It would explain a lot.
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- Somewhere Beyond the Sea
I can just imagine a Slann hunched over a table in a bar drinking while theres confused and terrified human onlookers
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- Planet Earth
We're before the Fall of the Eldar and Birth of Slaanesh, Craftworlds aren't really that big a thing and I'm not sure Exodites as we'd recognize them exist yet.
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- barking
while I am not sure you could be right on the exocidites, I think the craftworlds where used as trading ships at this time
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- Germany
Craft worlds do exist. They were exploration ships and most of them were already in use thousands of years before the fall. A combination of adventure and, later on, disassociating themselves with the Core worlds.
They were not as gigantic as they are in 40k. The Eldar docked at several worlds to take in refugees and increase their capacity, but the actual idea is already there.
Same with the Exodites. They can't have settled there after the fall, so they must have done so before. Right now is probably the height of the Eldar exodus with Craftworlds being built, refitted, and enhanced. Maybe they are already moving away.
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Humans: The parents only came home long enough to drop the newborn in the Eldar/Lizardman's arms before getting the fuck out of dodge.
Xantalos
Turtle-Speed Writing
Monsters can change - it's just rare, and they aren't monsters afterwards. While on Mallus, the lizardmen were monsters, bound to the Plan and its completion. It was only with the complete derailing of that agenda, and the revelation that perhaps the Old Ones aren't dead, that their purpose became ... unbound, for lack of a better word. They're in between right now, with elements of both monster and people but not wholly either. Theoretically the same thing could happen to the orks, but it's unlikely because their overriding directive is so much bigger and broader than just 'complete the Plan'. It's a lot harder to complete the process of war to such an extent that the orks could collectively bluescreen and look for something else to possibly do.
So you guys are in a bit of a set of unique circumstances, so to speak. In narrative terms, the orks are there as one of many foils to the lizardmen, to show an aspect of their nature taken to the extreme. As for turning into Krork... well, nothing forbids monsters from becoming stronger.
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- Peterborough, NH, USA
Would it be possible if they were to conquer the entire universe, or would it require something like Error!Sans backstory, where he got trapped in the Void, an endless black nothingness, and then the endless white nothingness of the Anti-Void(Void is a sort of buffer between universes like the Hadean Warp, though distinctly less incomprehensible, while the Anti-Void is what's left behind by a destroyed universe, and as such is readily refilled with new entities and universes) for long enough to hit 'hearing voices' insanity? There's nothing for new Orks to grow out of, so they can't even fight other Orks.
Can't conquer if there's nothing to conquer. Can't fight if there's nothing to fight. It's a bit like Stitch from the first Lili and Stitch movie. Designed as a monster, but with nothing to destroy.
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CuttleFish2.0
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I'd guess not, because in the absence of other things to fight Orks fight each other. So as soon as the last external enemy was defeated they would turn on each other, fracturing into thousands of splinter empires that would probably grind themselves into near extinction before clawing their way back up to galactic conquest to do ti all over again.
That or decide to point themselves at the next nearest galaxy and go for a twofer.
Xantalos
Turtle-Speed Writing
Sounds like Ork Overlord territory to me, since that's starting to exploit the mechanics of the Waaagh!!! field. For reference, Orks in Red Flag's system, which I'm cribbing off of, go Warboss->Warlord->Overlord->Apex.
You fink you'ze da best fings da Brain Boyz made, but forget dat da orks is always winning? Fink, git, fink!
Mayhaps. Or maybe if their destructive capabilities were neutered somehow, which is easier said than done. It'd probably involve only a small segment of them at first.
Either way, probably not something that could take place any time soon.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Perhaps if there was a single ork in existence, with no ability to breed/produce spores left on a world that would feed it but nothing to fight. That might do something weird to the Ork, or the Ork might start fighting the rocks. Kinda a toss up.
Going to be honest I never really understood this position. But people constantly say the Eldar are easily corrupted or susceptible or whatever. I don't think we can really comprehend how much the opposite is true.
It took 65 MILLION years before the Eldar empire began to give way. It wasn't like they fell in a human or even an Eldar lifetime. The most emotional and psychic race in the setting did their job for tens of thousands times longer than the lizardmen even existed. To talk to Isendral or any pre fall Eldar really is to talk to a being that has more centuries pass than we will see days.
The only reason that it seems short to us is that their stewardship of the galaxy was so successful that it has to be skipped to get to the point that humans come along.
The Eldar did so well for so long that if you wrote a book about the galaxies history post war in heaven. It would be a lengthy tome written of their mighty empire. Then at the end there is a single sentence that says. "Then they fell and some monkeys took over before they immediately began failing"
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- Germany
I never said "easily", only that it happened.
Edit: and to my knowledge we don't actually know how well they did for themselves. I have read no books, texts or anything of the sort, that describe the Eldar as particularly good or bad before they went on their little drug trip.
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- barking
I think for the eldar all we really need to do is look at what happened to the romans, han china and any other large empire that has no enemies they get bored and content and want knew things, they are assholes but no easier then humans and prob harder (they are just more phyic)
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They'd fight the rocks. 100%.
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- Mid-Atlantic
That... isn't really the way empires function. There's no inevitable slide into decadence of the kind the Eldar get into, though with a history that many millions of years long almost anything can happen sooner or later.
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I mean itkind of is since the romans fell into drinking mass drinking near its fall, the aztecs were always cruel so they doubt they count debuary is a theme for falling empires so of course the eldar are an extreme but so is the imperium in 40k and most other things
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Plus we can't really compare them to human empires. Not just because of their differences as a species, but also because they reincarnated their own population over and over. The same people always taking the same positions or willingly abdicating to try something new would certainly bring an enormous amount of stability.
It's probably extremely boring as well.
I'm just wondering about what they did in those 60 MILLION years. The whole galaxy was either empty or settled by primitive species, barely worth the designation sapient. They obviously did not go around on a massive genocide, but they also didn't spread their technology to uplift other species.
This begs the question: what did they do during this time? It's just really suspect.
It's probably extremely boring as well.
I'm just wondering about what they did in those 60 MILLION years. The whole galaxy was either empty or settled by primitive species, barely worth the designation sapient. They obviously did not go around on a massive genocide, but they also didn't spread their technology to uplift other species.
This begs the question: what did they do during this time? It's just really suspect.
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...Well now I'm imagining the Numeron Code as an Eldar artifact that opens a direct tap to the Well of Eternity that Cegorach and his Harlequins guard for obvious reasons.