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- Canada
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- He/Him
I'm pretty sure one of the old Lizardmen codexes said that the Orcs hitched a ride on the hull of the Old One's ships as spores before becoming the menace we see in WHF.
Respect Your Elders v2 - Galactic Boogaloo [Warhammer Lizardmen Quest]
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I'm pretty sure one of the old Lizardmen codexes said that the Orcs hitched a ride on the hull of the Old One's ships as spores before becoming the menace we see in WHF.
- Location
- Germany
A great chapter as always!
Do the Eldar know that the Orks were created by the Old Ones? I've read somewhere, that their own knowledge about the Old Ones is quite scewed and more based upon the Aeldari Pantheon. Than again, should they know about it, we might have a chance to gain information on the Krorks.
Weren't they Primarch level in terms of strength? I wouldn't be surprised if each and everyone of them could channel the Waaaagh in a much more stable and efficient manner, than the current Weirdboyz.
The scene with the Ulgu Skinks gave me the chills.
Do the Eldar know that the Orks were created by the Old Ones? I've read somewhere, that their own knowledge about the Old Ones is quite scewed and more based upon the Aeldari Pantheon. Than again, should they know about it, we might have a chance to gain information on the Krorks.
Weren't they Primarch level in terms of strength? I wouldn't be surprised if each and everyone of them could channel the Waaaagh in a much more stable and efficient manner, than the current Weirdboyz.
The scene with the Ulgu Skinks gave me the chills.
Just wait until we start looking for whatever controls the Old Ones put into the Orks and seeing if we can't use them somehow.
Yes the Eldar know the Ork were once weapons of the Old Ones and even fought alongside them. At the very least the Laughing God would be old enough to know about them... actually wait we are still before the rise of Slaanesh, all of them would know.
We might be able to save more of the Eldar Gods if we get in contact with them in time.
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- United States, CA
Though the whole "purpose-built" thing does bring up another hilarious/tragic thought:
Old One Research Council: "Hey Lizardmen Research team, how're you guys doing over there?"
Mallus Outpost: "Oh that was due today? Ooooooooooh."
Old One Research Council: "Hey Lizardmen Research team, how're you guys doing over there?"
Mallus Outpost: "Oh that was due today? Ooooooooooh."
- Location
- Asia
That was great. Can't wait to see Ulgu priests in action. Now we just need to make a High Magic skink.
It will be interesting to see the new actions that are unlocked. A very productive turn for us, overall.
It will be interesting to see the new actions that are unlocked. A very productive turn for us, overall.
- Pronouns
- Exist
The level of "BAD IDEA" vibes this is giving cannot be understated.
I'm more interested in the "they were to complete themselves" line. Does that imply that the Lizardmen weren't? Or should we look at the lines that they were "made in defeat/endless resignation"? Almost as if implying that our origin is a different emotion…
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
It very very likely was, especially if you consider that we might have been made earlier than the Orks or Eldar. If nothing else, we were made to build and to shepherd life, frankly not unlike the Old Ones themselves which sounds like a project taken up when they were in a different emotional place.
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- Great Khanate of Scotland
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- She/Her
I suppose the interpretation being used here is that the Orks were ginned up as a sort of final "fuck you" weapon that would ensure that even if the Old Ones lost the galaxy the Necrons inherited would be infested with their new superweapon.
Definitely a crack in the pedestal for our Slaans' vision of the Old Ones.
Definitely a crack in the pedestal for our Slaans' vision of the Old Ones.
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- Great Khanate of Scotland
- Pronouns
- She/Her
We don't really know exactly how Mallus is connected (either physically or cosmologically or narratively) to 40k yet, but it seems so. That's probably not a reveal we'll get until we finish deciphering the Great Plan but I have my theories.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
My interpretation of the "They will complete themselves" line is something like this, when the Old Ones designed the Orks they were in a bit of a rush and didn't have time to properly finish them so instead set them up to self complete.
How might you ask? Well remember how Orks work, the more they fight and the more intense the fighting the stronger and smarter they can become. Thus the idea probably was something along the lines that the Orks would act as a final F U to whatever they were fighting with them self improving into the Krorks and they were expected to continue self improving as the war ramped up in intensity.
Only things didn't play out like that, maybe the Old Ones did not see the Necrons betraying the C'than coming or something else happened, but something happened that caused the war to deescalate and putter out thus meaning the Krorks were without the conflict needed to evolve into a completed state and as such slowly devolved into modern Orks.
How might you ask? Well remember how Orks work, the more they fight and the more intense the fighting the stronger and smarter they can become. Thus the idea probably was something along the lines that the Orks would act as a final F U to whatever they were fighting with them self improving into the Krorks and they were expected to continue self improving as the war ramped up in intensity.
Only things didn't play out like that, maybe the Old Ones did not see the Necrons betraying the C'than coming or something else happened, but something happened that caused the war to deescalate and putter out thus meaning the Krorks were without the conflict needed to evolve into a completed state and as such slowly devolved into modern Orks.
Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
So they ARENT locking themselves in their star chambers with stacks of rom coms and a half gallon of ice cream to cry loudly about how they ARE special, they ARE, their masters would never actually create the orks, THEY ARE THE FAVORED CHILDREN! DADDY LOVED US!
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- Exist
1. They are likely clinging to the idea that they were made by other Old Ones and this we're still special to our creators.
2. Waiting until the problem is gone to deal with emotions.
3. Possibly carving through every possible word play and alternate meaning to make the Orks an unfortunate genetic accident that their uncles bungled up.
(Meaning mommy and daddy can still be perfect.)
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- Germany
To be fair, the Orks were made to be that way. The Eldar on the other hand chose to be that way. The Slann will come to the conclusion, that there was a need for the Orks behavior and violent tendencies. They didn't lose their path or purpose, but rather the leash that was supposed to hold them. The Eldar endulged themselves in their newfound position of power and instead of slipping into the role of cultivators and guides of the galaxy started their own path. One that led them away from their origins.
I think that the Slann would view the second one as much more heinous and wrong than the first. Although proper judgement can only be carried out after the Great Plan has been ascertained.
I think that the Slann would view the second one as much more heinous and wrong than the first. Although proper judgement can only be carried out after the Great Plan has been ascertained.
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Okibruez
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- Dreams
And straight to murder-fucking Slaanesh into existence.
I wish to take a stand here: Elves are always awful, and the Eldar are just the most visible bubbling pustule of foulness.
Xantalos
Turtle-Speed Writing
I mean, if you take the knee-jerk reaction of re-resolving to wipe the orks off the face of the planet, it's basically the closest equivalent they have. A lot of slann will spend the coming campaign meditating in their temples on this issue and venting their thoughts in explosive fashion on the orks.
This too - couldn't find a way to state in the update itself without it sounding weird, but the end bold text pretty much states that the slann think that other Old Ones created the orks, even if opinions are still divided on why. Your analysis of their genome didn't reveal any of the Old One symbols and maker's marks you're familiar with, after all, just similar ones.
But yeah, all in all, this is a very divisive topic for the slann all told. There's hundreds of different opinions and theories, and pretty much none of them have accepted the revelation at face value.
Godzillaslayer10
I am ready for this quest!
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- Somewhere
broke: Using words to yell at your sibling/step-sibling
woke: Throwing hands at your sibling/step-sibling
Bespoke: Dropping a city with your psychic might on your sibling/step-sibling to establish the pecking order.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
So basically the reason we are dropping the Ork base on the other groups of Orks is because the Slaan are feeling particularly spiteful at the Orks.
Godzillaslayer10
I am ready for this quest!
- Location
- Somewhere
Look siblings from all races deal with family matters differently
The Primarchs whored themselves out to Chaos due to Emps A-plus parenting
Half the Eldar turned themselves into S&M freaks due to Asuryan being murdered and momma Isha getting kidnapped.
In comparison to those shitshows the Slann look stellar in their treatment of their
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- Anchorage, Alaska
Man the family reunion is going to be rough this year, the orks are making a mess, the elves are doing...things...with the mess and the other neighbors while going through their teenage angst age (or middle age crisis), the other races are freaking out and the toad/lizards are pile-driveing the orks fortress of solitude on them while getting ready to show everyone why their th cravorite children. (WE haven't screwed up that hard yet!)
Can I say I love the 'yet' clause?
Because it's very fitting with the setting.
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- barking
I wonder if their are any craftworlds or exocidte colonies nearby (don't want to touch the empire till slaanesh and thats only so the dark eldar who are not complete monsters don't get convinced by rakarth and the others that canon dark eldar is the way to go)
SneakyWalrus
Is the Water Free?
I do wonder how the redevelopment of a Krork would be viewed by the Slann. On one hand, it'd probably be looked on as a correction to a flawed set of work from their makers and thus be an inherently good thing to exist from their perspective. But on the other hand, the Krork's existence is literally one designed as a spiteful last stab of engineered nightmare beasts to confront an endless necrontyr forces and their space gods, alongside the rising tide of the first daemons to come into existence. Which makes them the direct counterpart to the Lizardmen as they're the destroyers, not the builders.