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Respect Your Elders v2 - Galactic Boogaloo [Warhammer Lizardmen Quest]

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Czes said:
The City of political science.

This city is filled with Lizardmen dedicated to the reconstructiom, emulation and participation in the practical applications of other regimes, societies and ideologies. It mostly serves as a reminder as to why a society without the guidance of the Slann is inferior, but it established itself as the primary source of understanding in relation to other species and their unreasonable values, beliefs and behaviors.

They recently discovered anarchism and struggle to implement this most warm blooded of ideas.
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So, a Lizardmen LARP to try understand the warmbloods?
 
Well in some ways the Lizardmen could be some of the best diplomats in possible.

After you have taken apart some samples down to the soul level. The Slann could build a mathematical modal of all the races possible derivations.

Then it is just the matter of figuring out where a person falls on the modal, for the Skink's to be mathematical perfect diplomats.
 
Earth-Destroyer said:
Well in some ways the Lizardmen could be some of the best diplomats in possible.

After you have taken apart some samples down to the soul level. The Slann could build a mathematical modal of all the races possible derivations.

Then it is just the matter of figuring out where a person falls on the modal, for the Skink's to be mathematical perfect diplomats.
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Thus the Teguton's enhanced psychic empathy.
 
Rule 4: Don’t Be Disruptive - You almost certainly knew this was going to be an instant thread derail. Don't do it again.
IronFist said:
So, a Lizardmen LARP to try understand the warmbloods?
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Wait till they figure out that socialism exists…and figure out in 5 minutes that it cannot work and even warm bloods would be smarter then this.

Cue finding out some polity still uses this…much confusion and wonder.
 
Warning: Please respect the QM and don't bring up the endless Socialism vs. Capitalism merry-go-round
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    • please respect the qm and don't bring up the endless socialism vs. capitalism merry-go-round
    K von Carstein said:
    Please, let's not bring real life politics into the thread. It can't end well.
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    Yes, let us not do that.

    RandomDwarf said:
    Wait till they figure out that socialism exists…and figure out in 5 minutes that it cannot work and even warm bloods would be smarter then this.

    Cue finding out some polity still uses this…much confusion and wonder.
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    @RandomDwarf will be taking a three day vacation from this thread. Please do not respond any further to this post in this thread.
    notbirdofprey said:
    You misspelled capitalism.

    Honestly, I am not sure how you would describe the lizard man economy, other than very statist.
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    @notbirdofprey there will be nothing gained by making this thread another battleground. It is disrespectful to the QM. In the future, please just report a disruptive post and move on.
     
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    • Earth-Destroyer said:
    Well in some ways the Lizardmen could be some of the best diplomats in possible.

    After you have taken apart some samples down to the soul level. The Slann could build a mathematical modal of all the races possible derivations.

    Then it is just the matter of figuring out where a person falls on the modal, for the Skink's to be mathematical perfect diplomats.
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    The problem with this is that even amongst the Lizardmen, who are entirely immune to the flaws and mutations caused by chaos, individualism still holds sway to some extent. Humanity and the Eldar are both indeterminable based solely on souls, due to the extreme variance their races have even before factoring in Chaos corruption. Meanwhile the Tau and Tyranids are entirely outside-context problems for the Lizardmen, who aren't familiar with their races at all.
    Even once we are familiar with them, the Tyranids are too simple to diplomasize and, magically speaking, probably the only threat we'll face besides the actual Chaos Gods due to the sheer scale of the Hive Mind.
    Orks remain easy to predict, of course, but it's known to be incredibly hard to do anything with this since Orkish diplomacy consists largely of 'Battle to da deff, winna take all'.
    And of course the Necrons are enemies of the Old Ones. Diplomacy with them will be entirely of the Orkish variety as well.
     
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    As the beta of this quest, I'm going to ask that any discussion about this, either politics or the staff verdict, stop immediately. If you have an issue, this isn't the place to voice it.

    Thank you.
     
    On the topic of warmbloods, I wonder what human civilization looks like right about now, and how we compare. A conversation between an AI and one of the slann might be interesting to read.
     
    You know We really are the perfect creations of the old ones. We were the only ones who could function just how the old ones wanted without their direct oversight. All the other creations eventually just abandoned their totally loving masters
     
    jellededraak said:
    You know We really are the perfect creations of the old ones. We were the only ones who could function just how the old ones wanted without their direct oversight. All the other creations eventually just abandoned their totally loving masters
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    Or ate them, if you count the Enslavers Old One creations, though I'd think of them more as their horrible demonic grandchildren.
     
    Okibruez said:
    The problem with this is that even amongst the Lizardmen, who are entirely immune to the flaws and mutations caused by chaos, individualism still holds sway to some extent. Humanity and the Eldar are both indeterminable based solely on souls, due to the extreme variance their races have even before factoring in Chaos corruption. Meanwhile the Tau and Tyranids are entirely outside-context problems for the Lizardmen, who aren't familiar with their races at all.
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    When I say a proper mathematical model I mean a proper mathematical model.

    IE one the covers all possible permutations from outright insanity both natural and injury caused, to any and all flavors of chaos corruption.
     
    KnightofTempest said:
    Heck, the Krork ate the Brain Boyz and became the Orks.

    Eating your overseers is hardly unique to the Enslavers.
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    The Dawi are probably the closest to being decent, with their belief in tradition and spurning of corruptive magic. They still got too greedy and their adherence to tradition was unfortunately somewhat counteracted by their refusal to keep records of their most important magic and technology.
     
    Okibruez said:
    I like your confidence but to create such an exactingly detailed model is far beyond the scope of even the Old Ones. It'd require, essentially, a working 1-1 scale model of the universe.
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    Not at all all it requires is getting some samples, and once you have the baseline. It is just a matter of cataloging every possible permutation and derivation that could possible exist, stopping when the changes would cause instant death. That is quite a narrow set of permutations really.
     
    Earth-Destroyer said:
    Not at all all it requires is getting some samples, and once you have the baseline. It is just a matter of cataloging every possible permutation and derivation that could possible exist, stopping when the changes would cause instant death. That is quite a narrow set of permutations really.
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    If by 'narrow' you mean 'broad...'

    I mean seriously, let us be candid.

    There is nothing in the canonical portrayal of lizardmen to make us think that they will ever be particularly good at predicting what humans or elves are going to do.

    jellededraak said:
    You know We really are the perfect creations of the old ones. We were the only ones who could function just how the old ones wanted without their direct oversight. All the other creations eventually just abandoned their totally loving masters
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    Though I am sure the Old Ones would not want us to grow complacent, or to dislocate our own righteously Old One designed shoulders by patting ourselves too hard on our righteously Old One designed backs.
     
    Simon_Jester said:
    There is nothing in the canonical portrayal of lizardmen to make us think that they will ever be particularly good at predicting what humans or elves are going to do.
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    That is what creating a mathematical model of their behavior is for. Admittedly it would not be a project we would do at a whim. Ork's, Human's, Eldar, Jokaero, and protectorate races we pick up would be the only worthwhile ones.
     
    I don't think orks can even be reasons with beyond guiding them to a propa fight (ie. Someone other than us) and we can't really call the orks creations of the old ones anymore as they have evolved in a way that was not intended and as such would need to be purged in lizardman mentality
     
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