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@TremendousMilk3, did we leave Virtue behind? That seems to have been left out. :(

[X] "I have a bit of cleanup I need to do from some stuff I did yesterday, and I figured you might want to see how I handle demons, even if they should be weaker than me since I took out their boss. This was all before the fiend by the way."
-[X] With a less scattered tone, "I figure we can talk on the move, we have time and Kohaku's napping after an extremely stressful day, so my apartment is out of the question." Shrug apologetically.
--[X] If he responds with "No problem", make a joke "Nope, it was Nue problem at all. Just grabbed a bite to eat on the way back from the station, and some wannabes thought to do the same out of their new boss."

It's something I've noticed during my re-read -- it's NOT just Kohaku who thinks Yumi's fret-worthy. Homura has outright told us "Don't hurt yourself", our dad says Yumi's like her mother -- and not all in good ways -- who died digging too greedily and too deep into a case... heck, I'm pretty sure Yumi traumatized Sayaka and Madoka, because instead of going for medical care for a sliced-open back we went after them.

I hope that blood came out of Madoka's shirt...

So... yeah, I'm starting to feel more and more that we were primed to go for a "Yumi learns to start taking better care of herself, for her friends' and family's sake" arc all along, just not railroaded into it. :p
 
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@TremendousMilk3, did we leave Virtue behind? That seems to have been left out. :(
We… we haven't left yet…?

Homura has outright told us "Don't hurt yourself", our dad says Yumi's like her mother -- and not all in good ways -- who died digging too greedily and too deep into a case...

So the solution is… to leave it alone? I don't really get what your trying to say here. If something needs to be done, Yumi would do it like her mom did. While it did get her killed, we don't know if she had any better moves with what info she had. Not everyone lands crits when they need them.

Do keep in mind, if we didn't roll well at the beginning, Yumi's story woulda ended exactly the same way. Regardless of resurrection afterword.

I'm pretty sure Yumi traumatized Sayaka and Madoka, because instead of going for medical care for a sliced-open back we went after them.

I hope that blood came out of Madoka's shirt...
One, the blood was on her hands, not her shirt cause of positioning.

Two, I don't think people can get traumatized at the mere sight of blood. Yeah, it's more blood than what's supposed to leak out, but it's not like they watched someone get stabbed through the chest or a body get dismembered.

"Yumi learns to start taking better care of herself, for her friends' and family's sake" arc all along, just not railroaded into it.
To be honest, I don't really want to take this route even if it's the most likely ending. I just don't like the idea of involving everyone we know into the clusterfuck that is every single little detail of the world of demons, especially considering how Kohaku reacted to simply watching, not actually taking part of.

I also just don't like the power-hungry Yumi take in general cause I felt like it would have never even crossed her mind, but Im just projecting my thoughts.

I just want to murder things, not be sad about arbitrary things or social about what we already know goddamnit

[X] "I have a bit of cleanup I need to do from some stuff I did yesterday, and I figured you might want to see how I handle demons, even if they should be weaker than me since I took out their boss. This was all before the fiend by the way."
 
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I also just don't like the power-hungry Yumi take in general cause I felt like it would have never even crossed her mind, but Im just projecting my thoughts.
I agree that Yumi doesn't feel power hungry but she does fear that she could hurt others. Ultimately the thing that hurt her the most was the death of her mother, so she is afraid that she might hurt others in that same way. I read the apocrypha about her shadow fairly recently and one of the biggest things that is emphasized is how her scars run deeper than anyone can see primarily because they were never given the chance to heal. So I guess that I think that her learning to take care of herself would truly help herself grow.
 
[X] "I have a bit of cleanup I need to do from some stuff I did yesterday, and I figured you might want to see how I handle demons, even if they should be weaker than me since I took out their boss. This was all before the fiend by the way."
 
We… we haven't left yet…?

It was like 1:45am, I thought we'd run into Raido at some stairs leaving the floor, for some reason. And with the vote option, I thought we were going to leave Virtue inside the apartment, like a transparent humanoid R2-D2 guarding Padme. :p

To be honest, I don't really want to take this route even if it's the most likely ending. I just don't like the idea of involving everyone we know into the clusterfuck that is every single little detail of the world of demons, especially considering how Kohaku reacted to simply watching, not actually taking part of.

Hmm.... I don't feel that's what we're necessarily aiming for, or at least that's definitely not what Yumi currently wants, especially given her tendency up to now to take every problem on herself.

It's more like, the world of demons always involves itself into everyone, once something gets going. And since Yumi (and we) don't want our friends getting hurt/killed, well... we may as well ensure the people we care about are kept informed of what's going on (lest they get manipulated by demons like, say, Zelenin), have a support network to keep each other somewhat level-headed (lest something stupid like a Chiaki or canon!Sayaka happen), and can defend themselves on their own power (for non-meguca humans are squishy and good with ketchup).

As for Kohaku, she probably reacted that way for reasons I've laid out before, because she's far from a hardened fighter, and because she cares about our well-being enough to fret. Oh, and because she saw our arm almost get ripped off. Not because demons themselves, a vicious mundane dog attack wouldn't been just as shocking. Plus, she's an old friend who remembers Yumi when she was younger, and possibly (we STILL don't know much iirc) remembers her being a full-on reckless teenager, in similarly dangerous situations.

So the solution is… to leave it alone? I don't really get what your trying to say here. If something needs to be done, Yumi would do it like her mom did. While it did get her killed, we don't know if she had any better moves with what info she had. Not everyone lands crits when they need them.

Do keep in mind, if we didn't roll well at the beginning, Yumi's story woulda ended exactly the same way. Regardless of resurrection afterword.

Nope. I don't feel Yumi has a "leave it alone" setting. And yeah, that's the problem Kohaku, Homura, and Yumi's father all see -- she'd get herself killed from rushing into situations, instead of being more cautious in their eyes.

Heck, even you said that Homura thinks Yumi's going to get herself killed, a while back.

Yumi hasn't exactly invested in looking for defense buffs or anything, and for a while was trying to kick and punch everything as her first approach. That forms impressions, y'know. :tongue:

One, the blood was on her hands, not her shirt cause of positioning.

A pair of familiar pink eyes peek out at you, and Madoka comes rushing out.

"Y-Yumi! You're okay!" She shouts, grabbing you into a hug. Which would have been fine, but...

"Son of a- hey, watch the back!" You blurt out.

She looks confused for a moment, before looking at her sleeves, now sporting a new red color.

"You're hurt! Are you okay? I'm so sorry-"


Two, I don't think people can get traumatized at the mere sight of blood.

Madoka is a fourteen-year-old girl who was not expecting it to even be in the list of things to expect -- she's safe at home. She's as far from being a sociopath or psychopath as is humanly possible to be, so she'd have some emotional reaction, and also feel guilty that she caused additional pain from her carelessness. Normal people who've lived a cushy, safe life like Madoka and her happy, well-off family in a stable situation would be distinctly uncomfortable with someone being all bloody like that, especially to suddenly have it on them.

And yes, micro-traumas and small traumas are a thing. That probably wasn't anything they won't heal quickly from or anything, very quickly in Sayaka's case since it wasn't on her, but still.

I just want to murder things, not be sad about arbitrary things or social about what we already know goddamnit

Yumi has never been a murderhobo, from what backstory we've seen or what her family has implied. Right now, from the choices that have been made, she's Neutral-Light; being more careless about our well-being and isolating herself from other people/society feels more Chaotic and/or Dark. And a year and a half ago, you had a very different opinion... or, at least, about doing so for the people around us? I'm not trying to "gotcha" here, I ain't like that, I'm trying to form a better model of what it is you're looking for from the quest, so we can all enjoy it. :)

As I re-read, I'm starting to think that Yumi might have developed some slight degree of sociopathy, just to numb herself from her own reactions from putting herself in dangerous situations, and in so doing lost some ability to recognize how her actions make others feel outside of merely running on a personal code of conduct... all her reactions are a little off in that way. Some of it is her being funny from our prompts -- like the one about her school having been on fire -- but there's enough that doesn't feel like a joke, that I can begin to see what others in-story might be seeing, despite our main view being from Yumi's perspective. Edit: Or, y'know, she could just be alexithymic (have difficulty recognizing emotions in herself and/or others). That honestly feels more likely.

If so, cracking through that from the inside isn't going to be easy for her, and this communication and learning to let herself feel -- and how to process that in a healthy manner, while still being able to fight what's happening and coming -- is something that's going to take time to form a habit of. She might not start always opening up fully about everything, nor to everyone, but now she has someone who has permission to prod her into making less-worrying decisions and taking care of her mental health like she takes care of others. It's going to be a long road, especially in therapist-averse Japan, and that makes for an interesting B- or C-plot of character development and struggle.

Some EX entries from Kohaku's perspective and that of the other friend (he's not listed in the Character List) might help, either to dissipate or confirm my feelings in that regard, but I don't wanna be pushy on what gets written lol. 😅
 
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[X] "I have a bit of cleanup I need to do from some stuff I did yesterday, and I figured you might want to see how I handle demons, even if they should be weaker than me since I took out their boss. This was all before the fiend by the way."
 
I thought we were going to leave Virtue inside the apartment, like a transparent humanoid R2-D2 guarding Padme. :p
I just figured we would do this later tbh.
Nope. I don't feel Yumi has a "leave it alone" setting.
I don't get what's wrong with the actions we took tbh. I know we wouldn't ever leave things alone, but the more we do that the more we have to console the others 'Hey, I'm taking a very reasonable risk and not how to kill myself!'
Madoka is a fourteen-year-old girl who was not expecting it to even be in the list of things to expect
She already has contracted a few demons hasn't she? I get that blood phobias are a thing, and I know I may sound callous for saying this, but if Madoka can't handle a little blood she should just call it quits.

Regardless of how easy we seem to make it, it's very easy to lose limb and life to this sort of work. If she really get did traumatized, than I'll take my words back about the topic, but Madoka would have chosen a very poor profession.
And a year and a half ago, you had a very different opinion... or, at least, about doing so for the people around us? I'm not trying to "gotcha" here, I ain't like that, I'm trying to form a better model of what it is you're looking for from the quest, so we can all enjoy it.
That was back when we weren't entirely aware of what threats we were facing at the time, and no overarching enemy over the horizon.
Now, we have a bunch of other crap coming at us, while Kohaku's dad's cult is running around. Personally, I just want to wipe them off the board ASAP so I don't have to get worried about getting jumped in our own house. Or they could just blow up our homes while we are unsuspecting, killing anyone inside except for ourselves. Demons do have a natural filter, and the Police aren't nearly strong enough to deal with magic cultists on their own.
Not saying that I'm against socialing our friends and allies, but we got important shit to do instead of having problems in places we shouldn't have to get distracted by if we want to be ready to fight something more than a god, which feels closer with every moment.

Edit: With the addition to the Magatsuhi form to our arsenal, the question isn't a matter of if we have enough power, but if we have information to use said power.
 
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[X] "I have a bit of cleanup I need to do from some stuff I did yesterday, and I figured you might want to see how I handle demons, even if they should be weaker than me since I took out their boss. This was all before the fiend by the way."
 
Would you guys like to see a "Never Cry Pt 0" where I reveal how Chiyoko and Dante met?
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  • [X] "I have a bit of cleanup I need to do from some stuff I did yesterday, and I figured you might want to see how I handle demons, even if they should be weaker than me since I took out their boss. This was all before the fiend by the way."
    [X] "I have a bit of cleanup I need to do from some stuff I did yesterday, and I figured you might want to see how I handle demons, even if they should be weaker than me since I took out their boss. This was all before the fiend by the way."
    -[X] With a less scattered tone, "I figure we can talk on the move, we have time and Kohaku's napping after an extremely stressful day, so my apartment is out of the question." Shrug apologetically.
    --[X] If he responds with "No problem", make a joke "Nope, it was Nue problem at all. Just grabbed a bite to eat on the way back from the station, and some wannabes thought to do the same out of their new boss."
 
580: The Great Duel
[X] "Cleanup time~!" - Yumi

"I've just got a bit of clean-up work to do from yesterday's events." You tell him, "And I figured you might wanna see how I handle demons."

This answer changes the look of tired confusion changes to a slight surprise. "Hm. Now that I think about it, the only fight I've seen you in was our spar a couple of days ago. This could bee a good way to judge your abilities properly."

"I mean, I guess. I killed their leader, so the rest of them should be a bit weaker, right?" You shrug, "Oh, this was before the Fiend fight! So don't worry about that happening again!"

Raido looks frustrated with something, but only for a moment. "Let's go, then. I'll try not to interfere, but if your life is in danger, all bets are off."

"Er, right!" You sheepishly smile, "Let's get going."

As you leave, you discreetly summon Virtue, and tap out a message to him.

>Protect Kohaku

He quietly nods, moving in front of the door.

Raido obviously notices this, but says nothing.

With that, you're off to the industrial district.

(EVENT ROLL: 42)

A very slight feeling of unease fills the air between you and your uncle. Part of you wants to speak, but another just wants to forget he's here.

You don't manage to form a good topic to talk about, so you simply walk in silence to your destination.

You march right up to the front doors of the warehouse, and push them open.

There's a makeshift throne at the end of the room, along with one familiar demon. But Rakshasa is the only demon you recognize.

Damn, there's gotta be at least a dozen demons here! A lot of eyes suddenly flock to you, judgement poorly masked.

Rakshasa nods quietly to you, and motions to the center of the room. As you casually walk over, Raido stays at the entrance, hand on his sword.

"...He's a referee." You say. The other demons seem to accept your answer.

Rakshasa looks down at you, "Are you prepared to take on these foes?"

[] Ye--?!
[] No--?!

"Hold on a sec!" You hear a voice from behind Raido. Everyone turns to look, and...!!

There's a blue demon with a strange weapon and a hole in its face, a bit bigger than Oni. But you aren't focused on the demon.

Hoisted over his shoulder, currently limp, is a familiar girl.

"I'm gonna raise the stakes!" The blue demon shouts, "If you can't beat me, small fry, I'll kill little red here!" He laughs, shaking Kyoko, "That should make you fight harder!"

Raido looks like he's about to cleave that demon in two.

[] ???????????????????????????
 
Resist Wind, weak to Elec.
Correction: Repel Wind, Null Dark, Weak to Elec.

[] Proto-Plan
-[] "You're funeral."
-[] Summon Nue and Black Frost
--[] Nue and Black Frost cast Tarukaja
--[] Yumi attempts to combine Blizzard Slash and Agidyne (if this fails, prioritize Blizzard Slash)

While this is my preferred battle strategy, I'm not sure about the lead in. Anyone have any ideas?
 
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We could show off Magatsuhi form, obliterate him, than power down as a show of force?

We have guaranteed fusion success transformed anyway, and we do need to acclimate to the form.

Edit: Also maybe a backup plan if transformation doesn't go through as planned.

Edit 2: We should also heal up Kyoko afterwards.

Edit 3: What if we do a massive AoE? Beat all the demons at the same time? Like a Force-based Fusion Spell where we plunge our sword into the ground?

Edit 4: Disregard, he has repel Force lmao
 
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Have any rules for this fight been set? I haven't caught up with the point where this was scheduled yet, and apparently wasn't paying much attention during that part of my first read-through. Are we required to fight one-on-one battles or are we allowed a party? Are they back-to-back, are they all attacking at once?

Black Frost doesn't have anything particularly effective against Fuu-Ki except a resistance to his Physical attacks and... Endure? Okay, yeah, that's probably useful, but Wendigo has Fog Breath and resists Force. Fuu-Ki is an agility fan, so we definitely want to be able to do something about that.

As great as Acid Breath would be to make sure we can put him down fast, Nue's weak to Fuu-Ki's favorite magical means of Forcing the issue... but also comes with Ziodyne, which is shockingly effective.

Btw, I just noticed @TremendousMilk3: The skill list lists Dekaja as a debuff-remover, is that supposed to be Dekunda on Yumi and Nadja? Also, the Party list hasn't been updated: Jack Frost and Pyro Jack are still listed, but Black Frost isn't. Yumi only registered the rest of her demons, in her hurry to purge Incubus from her mind, and didn't resummon them...

[] Proto-Plan 2: Electric Boogaloo
-[] "...you will leave the girl with the referee during the battle."
--[] If he complies, add, "And if any 'accidentally' hitting her happens during the fight, or if you try using her as a distraction? Well, when you gold buddy tried that in his fight, he immediately went to pieces." Do the red flecks thing without actually going Magatsushi Mode, during the bold text.
--[] If he doesn't comply: "I'll try to leave enough of your ass intact for Sayaka to kick later."
-[] Summon Wendigo and Nue
--[] Nue casts Acid Breath if Kyoko is out of the way, otherwise tries to open up a chance to get her away with normal attacks
--[] Wendigo casts Fog Breath
--[] Yumi
---[] attempts to combine Scorching Slash and Mazionga (if this fails, prioritize Mazionga) if Kyoko is out of the way
---[] uses Hamaon if she isn't

I'm worried that Fuu-Ki intends to use Kyoko to dissuade us from attacking his weak point, lest we electrocute her when she's already weakened. If magical girls are weak to dark magic, they should be strong against light magic, right? (I feel like that was already established at some point...) This makes it less likely to be do significant damage to her if she gets misused as a Meguca Shield, and still hits Fuu-Ki for neutral damage.

And if she does get done dirty like that, getting caught in the Acid Breath spell would be a Bad Thing indeed. I'd advise having a dedicated healer in the party for the fight, to try and heal her up, but Yumi already knows Diarama, and our healers' attack magic is the worst possible matchup.

Someone better at math can figure out if there's a better plan that's still not putting her at risk, if relevant...

Anyway, I'm gonna be trying to sleep for at least 7-8 hours from now, so I won't be able to respond to better ideas until at least then.
 
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