Also, the "weakened Young Justice one" doesn't really exist.

It's DC canon that every Darkseid in existence is just a projection made by the True Darkseid's Multiversal Oversoul.

Can you kill them? Yeah. But unless you completely destroy that universe's version of Apokalypse he can come back no problem, and if you get the Oversoul's attention there isn't much stopping him from putting a bit more 'juice' into your universe so he can take a closer look (beat you half to death and then torture you for eons) at you.
so basically gotta do the classic 'seal em up' maneuver on him and then stasis trap the seal so he does not escape until a long long time has passed
 
It's DC canon that every Darkseid in existence is just a projection made by the True Darkseid's Multiversal Oversoul
Still have different powerlevels.
Can you kill them? Yeah. But unless you completely destroy that universe's version of Apokalypse he can come back no problem, and if you get the Oversoul's attention there isn't much stopping him from putting a bit more 'juice' into your universe so he can take a closer look (beat you half to death and then torture you for eons) at you.
He literally has like a half dozen spells to kill souls and gods. Ultima and the murder blade and so one.

Also the oversoul doesn't have infinite juice or he would win in every universe. Certainly not enough to change it by magnitudes.
 
She kind of needed to get a home somewhere inside the same county as Star City if she wanted to keep her emancipation.

o_O A home in Star City?

[quick Google search]

Okay, hometown of the Green Arrow.

Jinx has several hundred pounds of gold stolen from Zombie I.D. Fort Knox, so don't be afraid to have the pinkette splurge a little. Indulge in the luxuries she dreamt about when homeless and living on the streets. Maybe a California King bed so she can fully stretch out in dragon form.

Alchemist is ABSOLUTELY going to magically fortify whatever home Jinx moves into. Never skimp on home defenses, every little bit helps.

I know Alchemist was annoyed that Black Canary's apartment only had a reinforced door, which he considered a minor inconvenience against criminals as it doesn't stop someone from shooting through the walls or simply detonating an explosive. No need for an enemy to engage Black Canary in direct combat if arson or falling debris can take her out.

EXAMPLES:

=(1) Magically increasing the durability of the doors, windows, walls, ceiling, floor, and support beams, either through enchantments or by transmuting them into harder substances.

=(2) One-way window mirror film for privacy and anti-sniper defense.

=(3) Doorknobs and door handles made of 👼✝️Holy Silver to burn vampires, demons, undead, etc. Not just the front door, but all door handles as tiered layers of defense.

=(4) At least one room should have a permanent Magic Circle against Evil engraved into the floor as a fallback point. If it were me, it'd prefer one in the bedroom with the bed placed directly over it to ward off dream-walkers like Freddy Krueger and Doctor Destiny. Yes, "A Nightmare on Elm Street" totally freaked me out when I was a kid in the 1980s.

=(5) Place a Foe-Glass ("Harry Potter") next to the front door. First look through the door's peephole and then check the Foe-Glass to see if the person standing outside is an enemy.

=(6) A permanent Purify Food and Drink enchantment on the kitchen faucets and under sink water purifiers. It's amazing how often villains contaminate a city's water supply.
 
Still have different powerlevels.

He literally has like a half dozen spells to kill souls and gods. Ultima and the murder blade and so one.

Also the oversoul doesn't have infinite juice or he would win in every universe. Certainly not enough to change it by magnitudes.
lol. If you think ANY of those would be enough, even together, you are MASSIVELY underestimating Darkseid.

This version of him is only "weaker" until he decides to stop sandbagging for funsies. Like, say, if an Omniversal traveler was messing with one of his shadow clones.
 
And how was her dad supposed to fight something like that?

And... how was she supposed to help him with something like that?

The princess fell uncharacteristically silent as she processed what she'd been told.

"...We should get moving," Jinx said after several more minutes of uncomfortable silence. "Maybe he'll be back from working with the brat brigade by the time we're done."

"...Yeah," Yuffie agreed, feeling much, much smaller than she had when they'd started. "Let's... go."

Oh, kiddo... :cry:❤️❤️❤️

He still couldn't get the Harlock to effectively comprehend the sensory suite he'd pulled from a Starfleet Danube Cruiser. The issue, as most computer problems did, irritated the piss out of him.

And Starfleet computers would be far, far worse than nearly any others. Being as they are made of, and pretty much run on, pure handwavium.

"...I want to be angry at the perceived manipulation," M'ree very plainly stated, earning an incredulous glance from the wizard. She just shrugged and crossed her arms, looking down at the ground. "...I'm just angry. And I want to feel justified in aiming that somewhere."

Once again, your insight into the characters inner-most thoughts and motivations astounds me.

"...I could learn to conjure water?" M'ree sounded incredulous and Alchemist really didn't get why.

{s}Gee, Al, why would someone from a nearly dead, bone-dry planet be surprised at the idea of just casually creating water? What a mystery for the ages! {/s}:eyeroll:

"Alan is magic adjacent. Stewart, Gardner and Jordan are all very much on the technology side of the divide." Alchemist paused briefly in his explanation to eat a scoop of chocolate. "He's also got experience in warfare that the others don't. He doesn't have to follow the same rules that they do. Besides..."

I thought John had seen some actual combat during his tenure as a Marine? Though that could well be a retcon or five back, I don't bother paying much attention to what current DC comics continuity claims. What's the point? They'll just retcon it again in 5 or so years anyway.

I wasn't specifically aware that Alan did, but then thinking about it, the entire Justice Society thing was during/around the WWII era, so I'd be rather surprised if he wasn't involved in at least some of that, really.

Also: DAMMIT, now I want ice cream, and given it's almost 1AM, that's not going to be easy to obtain. And it's too damn hot to go out still. *checks bank* And I don't have any money until Monday anyway. *sigh*

Maybe a California King bed so she can fully stretch out in dragon form.

Now that is a brilliant idea! Though you'd probably want to size it up from there even, to make room for Al, Kory, the familiars and probably Yuffie too. 'Cause at some point everyone in the core family is likely to end up lounging on whatever beds the central three are in.

Alchemist is ABSOLUTELY going to magically fortify whatever home Jinx moves into. Never skimp on home defenses, every little bit helps.

Always a good idea, especially if you can fortify things in such a way as to make it all invisible. 'Cause you really don't want to be the best defended place on the block either. It makes people wonder what it is you need all those defences for, after all.

That said, whatever address she ends up with, it'll essentially just be a postal/official address, with a portal back to the actual home Al et al have, whether that's back at the mountain, or the island. It will need to be fully furnished and decorated though, 'cause there's bound to be some official checking up on it for an emancipated minor.

And given how most of the things you've suggested above would be trivial for Al, or even mostly trivial for Jinx, they should be done anyway.

And the problem with using that gold is having a believable paper-trail to show where it came from. Particularly if you are an emancipated minor as Jinx is. See above about official (and entirely well-intentioned) nosiness.
 
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lol. If you think ANY of those would be enough, even together, you are MASSIVELY underestimating Darkseid.
No, he gets his ass kicked by the justice league many many many times. And radon weapons exist. You can fairly trivially kill him.
This version of him is only "weaker" until he decides to stop sandbagging for funsies. Like, say, if an Omniversal traveler was messing with one of his shadow clones.
He can't do that tho, like if he could do that he would do it the many many times he has been beaten. And if tries too hard there are beings stringer than him that would stop him.
 
No, he gets his ass kicked by the justice league many many many times. And radon weapons exist. You can fairly trivially kill him.

He can't do that tho, like if he could do that he would do it the many many times he has been beaten. And if tries too hard there are beings stringer than him that would stop him.

The problems there are that Darkseid and his current power levels are 100% Editorial fiat. He is impossibly stronger or sufficiently weak depending only on which way DC Editorial wants the plot to go, nothing else.
 
The problems there are that Darkseid and his current power levels are 100% Editorial fiat. He is impossibly stronger or sufficiently weak depending only on which way DC Editorial wants the plot to go, nothing else.
yes but he is at least in the range where superman can win if by a long shot, i dont recall a comic where darksied instakills everyone with a single attack or something, so there is bounds to that rage i would thing. I doubt sincerely if this is comic darksied for example. like didn't they beat the invasion in canon was he there??
 
He still couldn't get the Harlock to effectively comprehend the sensory suite he'd pulled from a Starfleet Danube Cruiser. The issue, as most computer problems did, irritated the piss out of him.
What's stopping him bartering for tech support from star trek. He can repair and heal anything, that's definitely worth a couple days of computer work from an engineer like La Forge, or a couple days in drydock from Starfleet. it would be like a vacation for him and his group.
 
do you guys remember which chapter Alchemist went to FF7? can't seem to find it

Starts at chapter 116.

What's stopping him bartering for tech support from star trek. He can repair and heal anything, that's definitely worth a couple days of computer work from an engineer like La Forge, or a couple days in drydock from Starfleet. it would be like a vacation for him and his group.

Q. Q is one of those things that stops anyone from actively interfering in Star Trek. I'm not even sure which Q would find him especially interesting but the Continuum would absolutely interfere given that Al would be something new in a reality long gone stale.

Why doesn't he actually do anything against apocalypse. Pretty sure he could raise and drop level 1000 wight kings in the plant, just to annoy him. Or accelerate a radion commet to near light speed and gate to apocalypse. Or any other preemptive strikes that isn't endless prep while ceding all initiatives to the enemies. He is more than powerful enough to kill darksied, especially the weakend young justice one.

How big is Apokolips?

I don't mean that in a sarcastic way. I mean that as a genuine question. The size of Apokolips, and subsequently its inhabitants, has fluctuated wildly across various prints. In some comics, there's a 61,000 - 1 scale. In others, I'd need to write it out in scientific notation because the planet is supposedly as large as the entirety of the Sol System.

Al would need unfettered access to a Motherbox and its ability to conjure up Boom Tubes to overcome the very real matter of scale.

Some of his spells would still work on individuals from the planet without that fix such as Break, Toad and Stop but Ultima and Meteor would basically be useless.

There's also the matter of it being a case of succeeding on the first try because he wouldn't have a chance to try again. The military response from Apokolips, without the fair-play rules that they normally operate under to make their invasions entertaining, would see the Earth shattered right, quick and in a hurry.

In short? It doesn't pass the risk/reward test.

is he giving the lantern a duplicate or the original? because i think he just meant the duplicate. i am really confused here. Alchemist being horrible in explaining ,well anything he is doing, is just old wizard stuff. but its always so random. he explains things about lore, drifts off into needless lore that terrifies his audience,then in 1 of two cases doesnt answer the question. at least it feels like that. i would prefer if he told everyone not a close friend to stop bothering him with questions and just make a list for his plans his family can look at,cause that is the easy,pragmatic thing to do. just put it as a system message zeus cant read or something. actually asking his family for help would be a good thing for,well everyone. jinx is the original target and alchemist does 95% of the prep. she is even sligthly annoyed having to help with step 373252334572 of the save jinx plan. That leans into the sad old man thing i already talked about. everyone is askkng him for help,then just leaving him with the work. and then they get annoyed or scared or insulted.

is he everyones dad? he only has three actual children he cares for,and those dont actually want him to do everything for them. just spend some time. and he loves it. i. reading a chapter of this feels exhausting. emotionally. if you wrote two in a day i would have to read the second one the next day. its just these are supposed to be the heros and they only take. He doesnt ask, but he would never ask. he would rather risk destroying his soul by consuming some cosmic horror then ask gaia if the system can handle that. he needs help. he probably needs a handler to be honest

Al hasn't yet made his divine murder sword. With his magic still settling, he didn't want to mess with Convert to make the esoteric materials that would go into it.

What he had Jinx alter was one of the duplicates that formed for the weapon in its current state. Even without the alterations he's planning on, it's still a Masterwork Arming Sword. An actual blacksmith would probably find it interesting but ultimately flawed, as making the blade separate from the fuller, and then held to it with rivets, would introduce a lot of structural weak points and locations for rust to worm into the weapon.

For Al being everyone's dad... I just wanted to write a character who may not do people well but is still relatively calm and genuinely happy with his friends. So there's Yorshka and the painter girl who might be neuro-divergent and from a culture where that's not recognized and he just tries to be patient and understanding with them.

Finally, for her attitude- Jinx just spent three or four hours doing something genuinely unpleasant only to discover that all of her work was kind of wasted because the results of her experiment are too strong to use. So she's kind of in a mood and she wants to deal with it by eating ice-cream.

Then Al turns up and, ugh, asks her to do a little bit of work. Still, she does it without complaining and even admits when she's done that what she helped with was kind of cool. I was aiming for a typical teenager behavior, there.
 
Unfortunately, the Prime Directive would stop Federation officers if it became obvious that Alchemist has technology beyond his skill-level, like the idiotic Pakled in "Star Trek: The Next Generation" who relied on scavenging or stealing tech from more advanced civilizations and barely understood how their own hodgepodge spaceships functions.

The Federation officers would patronize Alchemist with platitudes about needing to develop his own tech knowledge (like how Vulcans treated pre-Federation humans), and that his current difficulties are an important learning experience.

Fortunately for Alchemist, he can go to Quark on DS9 and bypass the Prime Directive.

Scene:
QUARK: "My services don't come cheap."

Alchemist: "Okay. How about a ton?"

QUARK: "A ton of what?"

Alchemist: (drops a massive metallic cube onto the bar countertop)

Alchemist: (smug) "A ton of gold-pressed latinum."

QUARK: 💰🤑💸💵
Ya but that only works till he pulls something beyond them from out of his proverbial ass(inventory/store). Also the prime directive wouldn't apply to an individual like this, it's meant for civilizations as a whole, not individuals. He would also be exempt for multiple other reasons besides that, but that alone is more than enough.

In there eyes he's a quasi Q like entity that can control reality with but a snap of his fingers. You don't patronize something like that.


Q. Q is one of those things that stops anyone from actively interfering in Star Trek. I'm not even sure which Q would find him especially interesting but the Continuum would absolutely interfere given that Al would be something new in a reality long gone stale.
Which would be funny, and not exactly negative. Also could you blame them, if I was a Q I would be interested in a trouble shooter like Alec doing something for me.
But it would be a nice change of pace from the normal fantasy setting he goes to.
 
In short? It doesn't pass the risk/reward test.
Unless young justice went off the rail in later seasons. I think he can take them right now. But i guess he doesn't know that. He should be doing more scouting and scrying if he is so worried about that.

Also something like the little doctor from enders game or red matter from star trek should take care of the planet even if it solar system sized. So he does have access to weapns for a sure hit strike. But it is a risk and he is very risk averse so it does make sense.

But i still stand by he should be doing way more scouting.
 
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its more that al is a lot less pragmatic in his choices then i expected from earlier chapters, but this may be part of his character. most importantly, everyone,EVERYONE who sees al notices that he is tired,stressed,busy.

but they dont try to assist him. they (mostly)dont ask: ",is there a part that i can do,since i also have a system?" " is there a bottleneck you have problems with and would like a new perspective?" " lets go to a quest so we have more time!" ( this one you actually included, but nothing happened??) " al? where are you going? no,we have all the time we need. relax." " oh? nah,i can kill the boss. i will remember to steal the mcguffin. i think your familiar wants some attention. " " al,your system obviously only partially protects you from corruptive effects. please send a check list with eldritch stuff to gaia before you absorb it to prevent your soul from just giving up" " are there any threats that you know will come up soonish we could prevent? no not you,us!lets make a date out of it!" " you know,somewhere in the multiverse there has to be some expert in healing and strenghtening souls without stress,why dont we take a look?" just. you know . one or two of those over the next 20-30 chapters would be very apreciated from me.

now i feel bad.i nearly deleted thus entire post. im sorry. this is your story,i dont have a right to influence anything. i just feel bad for al. this hasnt happened to this point in years. normally at this point ( with this many chapters were i get sligthly more sad over time) i just stop reading or start hating the main character, but none of this is his fault, hes just a guy winging it out there. also,more importantly,it hasnt gotten nearly as bad as spiderman or the dwarves. which were the last two i had to stop reading. spiderman a lot sooner then the dwarfs. a lot.
 
Q. Q is one of those things that stops anyone from actively interfering in Star Trek. I'm not even sure which Q would find him especially interesting but the Continuum would absolutely interfere given that Al would be something new in a reality long gone stale.

So, basically, there is a "No FlyInterdimensional Travel" list of beings that aren't even necessarily evil, but are too disruptive on a cosmic scale for the various beings at the scale of Gaia to allow moving around at will. Q and the Entities from Parahumans are obvious members of the list, I wonder who else is on it. I figure that most of the prospective members of the list aren't on it solely because their power is so dependent on remaining in a specific universe/grouping of universes that there is no need to do anything (Lady of Pain, Overgods like Ao, the fifth Magician from the Nasuverse alongside the Beasts from the same area of the multiverse, etc).
 
So, basically, there is a "No FlyInterdimensional Travel" list of beings that aren't even necessarily evil, but are too disruptive on a cosmic scale for the various beings at the scale of Gaia to allow moving around at will. Q and the Entities from Parahumans are obvious members of the list, I wonder who else is on it. I figure that most of the prospective members of the list aren't on it solely because their power is so dependent on remaining in a specific universe/grouping of universes that there is no need to do anything (Lady of Pain, Overgods like Ao, the fifth Magician from the Nasuverse alongside the Beasts from the same area of the multiverse, etc).
The various higher powered beings from Dragon Ball (especially Goku), Dr. Manhattan, various things from the SPC Foundation, anything from Warhammer, Haruhi Suzumiya, Hellsing's Alucard, Sailor Moon, the moronic assholes from Twilight...

You asked WHO? To WHAT!? Listen to yourself for a minute! Are you completely out of your mind!?

And they all let that pass without comment. It's no wonder that M'Ree decided that they're all crazy.
Kary has met Lucifer, and I'm sure that they've talked about him amongst themselves, and they know he's actually very trustworthy if you can manage to get in good with him and understand how he functions.

Does M'ree even know who "the Devil" is? Let alone the name Lucifer?
 
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Honestly most of the time it seems like his Gaia gave him a derpy system. He's powerful sure but it's weird the system glitched from blowing up a planet when we are dealing with a multiversal version of Gaia. Like it could be said to be their not all that powerful in the grand scheme of things gaia that is but at times it seems multiversal goddess and at other times the sustem she made doesn't do well past planetary stuff. Much like over dimensional bullshit like new gods if you're dealing with their iteration that is supposed to be their overgod iterations where everything below counts as pinkies. Which can apply to gods in general at times like Zeus.
 
All this talk about Al taking on Apokolips makes me want to see Darkseid toad and him still be terrifying.......
You say that but he would be he is one of the few beings not effected by the multitude of retcons DC has gone thru so his power is nothing to take lightly I mean he has like 19 divine senses to perceive the multiverse and if he ever left his universe instead of sending a projected avatar of himself the universe he lands in just breaks and get destroyed just by him being there.
In short if you are gonna get after the big bad you need more than your A game.
 
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It's DC canon that every Darkseid in existence is just a projection made by the True Darkseid's Multiversal Oversoul.
Radion or Xth Metal converted to Radion is more than enough to dissuade the bugger to be cautious. Radion's damage to an Avatar also damages the Oversoul due to its metaphysical nature. It is more devastating if Radion is used on the Oversoul itself. Add In Radion being alloyed with the 'Error 403' metal he learned when talking with the Devil, the being that can treat Oversoul Darkseid like an amusing gnat, and you get a fantastic murder bullet. After that 'Error 403' metal came from the Silver City and is a crystallized manifestation of 'MURDER'. If Alchemist has time, perhaps he can entreat Destruction to even bless one of his weapons with the Endless' concept to really drive it home to anyone facing him not to fuck around.

Also, @Mister Ficser, I am waiting for Alchemist's ability to open Boom Tubes. Either amusingly by farting at the start or by accident. I remember Tiamat saying it would have been better to absorb a Magatama's power if he just ate it, I assume the same is true about Alchemist eating a purified Fatherbox that is connected to the Source. That or having his spells being more and more difficult to dispel/disrupt since he is now, at least, tied to the Source due to the Fatherbox he consumed.
 
In short? It doesn't pass the risk/reward test.

More on the "Level 1000 Wight kings" comment but I couldn't reply to a quote and I'm getting ready for bed as I write this, ever considered up-casting Enlarge on a minion to enhance them?

Sure enlarge limits their damage but I'm pretty sure there's a method of circumventing it in the rulebook where you wield weapons for your new size.

Gonna steal a quote from a reddit post quoting DMG rules, real quick;
Big monsters typically wield oversized weapons that deal extra dice of damage on a hit. Double the weapon dice if the creature is Large, triple the weapon dice if it's Huge, and quadruple the weapon dice if it's Gargantuan. For example, a Huge giant wielding an appropriately sized greataxe deals 3d12 slashing damage (plus its Strength bonus), instead of the normal 1d12.

A creature has disadvantage on attack rolls with a weapon that is sized for a larger attacker. You can rule that a weapon sized for an attacker two or more sizes larger is too big for the creature to use at all.

Now time to sleep.
 
More on the "Level 1000 Wight kings" comment but I couldn't reply to a quote and I'm getting ready for bed as I write this, ever considered up-casting Enlarge on a minion to enhance them?

Sure enlarge limits their damage but I'm pretty sure there's a method of circumventing it in the rulebook where you wield weapons for your new size.

Gonna steal a quote from a reddit post quoting DMG rules, real quick;


Now time to sleep.

I did, yes. I was looking at potentially enlarging the skeleton army but the spell specifically does not work on undead/outsiders.

Which was so frustrating! Al could've had an army of skeletons the size of office buildings firing upsized crossbows up to half a kilometer!

But it gave me an opportunity to write in Al struggling to make his ideas work around restrictions until he eventually had to fully change them.
 
I did, yes. I was looking at potentially enlarging the skeleton army but the spell specifically does not work on undead/outsiders.

Which was so frustrating! Al could've had an army of skeletons the size of office buildings firing upsized crossbows up to half a kilometer!

But it gave me an opportunity to write in Al struggling to make his ideas work around restrictions until he eventually had to fully change them.
Polymorph the undead into another creature type, cast Enlarge Person, and then dismiss the Polymorph?

Alternately, Giant Size. Might require a bit of hoop jumping for targeting.
 
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