How It Works: The Decline of Sacred Forest Traditions
I consider that the literal biggest loss in this entire quest, geez...

Can we begin researching it again? Do we have any books about it at least?

Climate shift means that none of the old records make any sense anymore and attempts at replication have ended in failure. Everyone assumes that either the ancients were talking out their asses, were straight up mistaken, or something funky is going on. Most of the best scholars assume the first two and thus don't make serious attempts to replicate it, since obviously the mistakes of the past are not worth replicating when you have the tools of an enlightened society to show you the way.

Like, part of the issue is that there was a lot of stuff that never got written down because why would you be specific, everyone knows what you are talking about. So there were old records and recommendation for action by later generations, but they assumed that there was active management the whole time and that the references being made would be understood because the reader was part of the same sacred forest temple maintenance tradition. Like, the best way to understand the records is to understand them as being written in LOLcat speech: if you don't understand the in-jokes and references it makes no bloody sense. Same with those ancient records, they have all of these internal references that a combination of loss of living tradition and linguistic shift makes even methodological recovery essentially impossible with your current toolset. Independent redevelopment will take considerable other efforts.

The People do still care a lot about forestry, just not as much as they once did.
 
Climate shift means that none of the old records make any sense anymore and attempts at replication have ended in failure. Everyone assumes that either the ancients were talking out their asses, were straight up mistaken, or something funky is going on. Most of the best scholars assume the first two and thus don't make serious attempts to replicate it, since obviously the mistakes of the past are not worth replicating when you have the tools of an enlightened society to show you the way.

Like, part of the issue is that there was a lot of stuff that never got written down because why would you be specific, everyone knows what you are talking about. So there were old records and recommendation for action by later generations, but they assumed that there was active management the whole time and that the references being made would be understood because the reader was part of the same sacred forest temple maintenance tradition. Like, the best way to understand the records is to understand them as being written in LOLcat speech: if you don't understand the in-jokes and references it makes no bloody sense. Same with those ancient records, they have all of these internal references that a combination of loss of living tradition and linguistic shift makes even methodological recovery essentially impossible with your current toolset. Independent redevelopment will take considerable other efforts.

The People do still care a lot about forestry, just not as much as they once did.

I, too, consider this our biggest loss, and truly hope we will be able to do something about it.
 
I imagine once we figure out that a climate shift happened, future historians will be duly impressed by what is implied to have happened here.

Did the Ymaryn Empire build any other Wonders before they died? Any great marvels that endured the centuries like the Coliseum, the pyramids and so on?
 
Climate shift means that none of the old records make any sense anymore and attempts at replication have ended in failure. Everyone assumes that either the ancients were talking out their asses, were straight up mistaken, or something funky is going on. Most of the best scholars assume the first two and thus don't make serious attempts to replicate it, since obviously the mistakes of the past are not worth replicating when you have the tools of an enlightened society to show you the way.

Like, part of the issue is that there was a lot of stuff that never got written down because why would you be specific, everyone knows what you are talking about. So there were old records and recommendation for action by later generations, but they assumed that there was active management the whole time and that the references being made would be understood because the reader was part of the same sacred forest temple maintenance tradition. Like, the best way to understand the records is to understand them as being written in LOLcat speech: if you don't understand the in-jokes and references it makes no bloody sense. Same with those ancient records, they have all of these internal references that a combination of loss of living tradition and linguistic shift makes even methodological recovery essentially impossible with your current toolset. Independent redevelopment will take considerable other efforts.

The People do still care a lot about forestry, just not as much as they once did.
On the bright side, once we actually figure out it, those records are going to be worth more than the rest of the library combined.

Thousands of years of carefully kept records? Wow.
 
@Academia Nut I suppose you can't say anything until the update on how Not!Old Fritz and the Tortun are doing this turn? I'm pretty curious how the republicans are preparing for Round 2, other than fixing their economy. I'm actually hoping for another revolution somewhere.
 
@Academia Nut I suppose you can't say anything until the update on how Not!Old Fritz and the Tortun are doing this turn? I'm pretty curious how the republicans are preparing for Round 2, other than fixing their economy. I'm actually hoping for another revolution somewhere.

Diplomancing Tortun minors who were only partially affected by the conflict into joining up with them and fixing their economy.

This may prompt the Ochruhr to take a swing at them before the peace treaties everyone else signed expire.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by TotallyNotEvil on Mar 9, 2018 at 3:54 PM, finished with 283 posts and 64 votes.

  • [x] Cornuthaum's Constitutional Convention Cvote 1809
    -[X] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
    -[X] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Franchise] 1 PW - All titles
    -[X] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
    -[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
    -[X] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Assembly] 1 PW - Limited
    -[X] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Guilds] 2 PW - Fail to increase the regions of their influence (-1 Temp Happiness)
    -[x] [Academy] 1 PW - Yes (Generic Academy I becomes Royal Military Academy, increasing RP generation for Military Techs)
    [x] Plan: Basis
    -[X] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
    -[X] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[x] [Officers] 2 PW - Universal
    -[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
    -[x] [Franchise] +1 PW - Landed only
    -[X] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad
    -[X] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Guilds] 0 PW - Crown Sponsorship
    -[x] [Academy] 1 PW - Yes (Generic Academy I becomes Royal Military Academy, increasing RP generation for Military Techs)
    [X] Plan: Over my Knee Dammit!
    -[X] [Guilds] 6 PW - Provide no constitutional protections (-2 Temp Happiness, -1 SoL, -1 Active Development)
    -[X] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
    -[X] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Assembly] 1 PW - Limited
    -[x] [Academy] 1 PW - Yes (Generic Academy I becomes Royal Military Academy, increasing RP generation for Military Techs)
    -[X] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[x] [Franchise] +1 PW - Landed only
    -[X] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
    [X] Plan Road to capitalism
    -[X] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
    -[X] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[x] [Franchise] +1 PW - Landed only
    -[X] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
    -[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
    -[X] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Assembly] 0 PW - Restricted
    -[X] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Guilds] 6 PW - Provide no constitutional protections (-2 Temp Happiness, -1 SoL, -1 Active Development)
    -[X] [Academy] 0 PW - No
    [X] Plan: A Simple Constitution
    -[X] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
    -[X] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[x] [Franchise] +1 PW - Landed only
    -[X] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
    -[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
    -[X] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Assembly] 1 PW - Limited
    -[X] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Guilds] 2 PW - Fail to increase the regions of their influence (-1 Temp Happiness)
    [X] [Academy] 1 PW - Yes (Generic Academy I becomes Royal Military Academy, increasing RP generation for Military Techs)
    [X] Plan Have you voted today citizen?
    -[X] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
    -[X] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Franchise] 1 PW - All titles
    -[X] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
    -[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
    -[X] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Assembly] 0 PW - Restricted
    -[X] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Guilds] 2 PW - Fail to increase the regions of their influence (-1 Temp Happiness)
    -[x] [Academy] 1 PW - Yes (Generic Academy I becomes Royal Military Academy, increasing RP generation for Military Techs)
    [x][Agenda] Plan Cornuthaum 1808
    -[x][Agenda] Start Constitutional Convention - 4 PW Invested (will have PW invested to make decisions during Convention phase, can spend additional PW reserved for the turn)
    -[x][Agenda] Claim Kyberi Territory - 0 PW, -1 Temp IC, +2 Max Development, increases required Transport Infrastructure to remove Undeveloped Hinterlands status (Note: 0 PW the first time it is used in a turn)
    -[x][Agenda] Military Reform - 2 PW, -2 Temp Armies, EITHER accelerate military research for next doctrinal set OR implement doctrine)
    [X] Free people and relativly free press.
    -[X] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
    -[X] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Franchise] 3 PW - Poll tax
    -[X] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
    -[X] [LO] 0 PW - Noble only
    -[X] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad
    -[X] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Guilds] 0 PW - Crown Sponsorship
    -[X] [Academy] 0 PW - No
    [X] Plan Limited Social Mobility
    -[X] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
    -[X] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Franchise] 1 PW - All titles
    -[X] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
    -[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
    -[X] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Assembly] 1 PW - Limited
    -[X] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Guilds] 2 PW - Fail to increase the regions of their influence (-1 Temp Happiness)
    -[x] [Academy] 1 PW - Yes (Generic Academy I becomes Royal Military Academy, increasing RP generation for Military Techs)
    [X] Plan: Sounds like home, right fellow Pinoys?
    -[X] [UH] 2 PW - Minor lawmaking
    -[X] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[x] [Franchise] +1 PW - Landed only
    -[X] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
    -[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
    -[X] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad
    -[X] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Guilds] 0 PW - Crown Sponsorship
    [X] Plan Strong Crown
    -[X] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
    -[X] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[x] [Franchise] +1 PW - Landed only
    -[X] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
    -[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
    -[X] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Assembly] 1 PW - Limited
    -[X] [Press] 0 PW - Crown Only
    -[X] [Guilds] 2 PW - Fail to increase the regions of their influence (-1 Temp Happiness)
    -[x] [Academy] 1 PW - Yes (Generic Academy I becomes Royal Military Academy, increasing RP generation for Military Techs)
    [X] Plan Universal Officer Corps
    -[X] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
    -[X] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Franchise] 1 PW - All titles
    -[x] [Officers] 2 PW - Universal
    -[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
    -[X] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Assembly] 0 PW - Restricted
    -[X] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
    -[X] [Guilds] 0 PW - Crown Sponsorship
    -[x] [Academy] 1 PW - Yes (Generic Academy I becomes Royal Military Academy, increasing RP generation for Military Techs)
 
It has basically been their stated goal from Day 1.
I know, but if the Emperor declares now he won't have any allies, and the Republicans will be able to break the monarchies one by one.
Wait a minute, if Not!Germany will be a Republic instead of a Monarchy, does that mean Not!Bismarck will become a republican?

Scary thought.
How about a combo of Republican Matternich and Bismarck?
 
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