Can we rival Nohon or New Hespraxer? I don't really understand about rival mechanics
Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
Can we rival Nohon or New Hespraxer? I don't really understand about rival mechanics
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] [Rival1] 0 PW - Yes (-1 Trust)
[X] [Rival2] Hespranxer (-1 Trust)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Rival2] Hespranxer (-1 Trust)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
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Word of GM is that there is no pacifist faction in the Hes.
Just the ones who want to take a swing at us, the ones who don't care, and the ones currently tired of war.
So while I don't know if the vote is a good idea, I can see why they choose to do so.
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On the other hand:
Have you gentlemen considered reaching out a hand to the Vortuga?
I mean, if the Sketch are willing to make up with the Hes, we might consider buttering up old, fallen enemies.
The Sketch-Hes hookup is probably making the Vortugans very nervous right now.
And if you look at the map, the Vortuga have a lot of Far Eastern holdings where we could acquire basing/trading rights. They have most of not!Malaysia, and largely control the Straits of Malay.
And they are also on the Cape of not!Africa. Lots of basing.
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Wait, can anyone tell me if the blob in the Pacific representing not!Hawaii is Nohon red or Vortuga brown? It isn't clear to my eyes.
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- Location
- Sweden
[X] [Rival1] 0 PW - Yes (-1 Trust)
[X] [Rival2] None (can only be taken if you declared against the Sketch)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
[X] [Rival2] None (can only be taken if you declared against the Sketch)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- They
[X] [Rival1] 0 PW - Yes (-1 Trust)
[X] [Rival2] None (can only be taken if you declared against the Sketch)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X][Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
[X] [Rival2] None (can only be taken if you declared against the Sketch)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X][Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
- Location
- Earth
[X] [Rival1] 0 PW - Yes (-1 Trust)
[X] [Rival2] None (can only be taken if you declared against the Sketch)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
[X] [Rival2] None (can only be taken if you declared against the Sketch)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
[X] [Rival1] 0 PW - Yes (-1 Trust)
[X] [Rival2] Hespranxer (-1 Trust)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
[X] [Rival2] Hespranxer (-1 Trust)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
There are also some diplomatic considerations to rivaling someone. The Hespranxer and Khemetri are rivals and the Hespranxer and New Hespranxians likely are too. So rivaling the Hespranxer will reassure the Khemetri and will make diplomacy with the New Hespranxians easier. At least insofar alignment against Hespranxer interests is concerned.
If we could rival the Ochruhr something similar would happen with the Styrmyr and the Tortuns.
If we could rival the Ochruhr something similar would happen with the Styrmyr and the Tortuns.
[X] [Rival1] 0 PW - Yes (-1 Trust)
[X] [Rival2] None (can only be taken if you declared against the Sketch)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X][Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
The Khem came through again, so I must hereby propose promoting them to the Khemmyr, our lost southern colony. The Kiel[myr]'s flirting with the Sketch displeases me so they must be stripped of their credentials.
Now what can we do with all these financial techs to fuck up the Sketch's day? A crown International Development Bank to buy investment/spread tech in our more backward allies and neutrals?
[X] [Rival2] None (can only be taken if you declared against the Sketch)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X][Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
The Khem came through again, so I must hereby propose promoting them to the Khemmyr, our lost southern colony. The Kiel[myr]'s flirting with the Sketch displeases me so they must be stripped of their credentials.
Now what can we do with all these financial techs to fuck up the Sketch's day? A crown International Development Bank to buy investment/spread tech in our more backward allies and neutrals?
[X] [Rival2] Hespranxer (-1 Trust)
Hes enmity seems pretty set in stone, I don't think us rivaling them is going to be changing any timetables on their end.
Hes enmity seems pretty set in stone, I don't think us rivaling them is going to be changing any timetables on their end.
- Location
- his hidden lair
There's a ton of problems with that, first of all- that takes a lot of time to do. If they can intervene in a hypothetical Seuz, we can mobilize and occupy the MAKUG before they can create an actual port to dock at. And they'd know that.
Second of all, if they want to meaningfully ship in men and material, they need to find a site deep enough for their large ships to actually approach the coast, and MAKUG's coast is almost certainly the most poorly charted in the Saffron Sea.
Thirdly, that ignores our potential capacity to bottle them up at Not!Gibralter, which renders the issue moot in most ways.
HanEmpire
Delicious
Jingoists and Imperialists aren't always the most practical sorts, always high on conviction but low on practicality. Even if it's not feasible we might see some idiots trying this out. Especially once the Syffryns start getting desperate about breaking the Khemetri-DM connection to prevent the Not!Suez.
Also, we don't have the capacity to contest the Not!Gibraltar. Most of our navy is in the Monsoon Sea, and we'd have to fight both the Sketch and the Hespranxer in the Not!Mediterranean.
Does this prevent temp Consciousness decay like Constitutional Convention Call did?
[X] [Rival1] 0 PW - Yes (-1 Trust)
[X] [Rival2] None (can only be taken if you declared against the Sketch)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
[X] [Rival2] None (can only be taken if you declared against the Sketch)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
Mors
Searching for immanence
[X] [Rival1] 0 PW - Yes (-1 Trust)
[X] [Rival2] None (can only be taken if you declared against the Sketch)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
[X] [Rival2] None (can only be taken if you declared against the Sketch)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
I don't think Constitutional Call prevented temp Cons decay in the first place.
- Location
- Staring into the void
[X] [Rival1] 0 PW - Yes (-1 Trust)
[X] [Rival2] Hespranxer (-1 Trust)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
[X] [Rival2] Hespranxer (-1 Trust)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
liberty90
Evil Neoliberal Cat
- Location
- Poland
Exactly.
And with new mechanics (thanks to freedom of speech) Cons is very positive as long as we have also properly high SoL.
- Location
- a
Is that a honest question?
Nohon is already our rival. In fact, we just fought a war with them recently. Have you been reading the thread recently?
Ya, it was.
So, we're at war with Ochur before as well but it doesn't seems to be that we're rivaling them.
Anybody else that I forget?
- Location
- nz
[X] [Rival1] 0 PW - Yes (-1 Trust)
[X] [Rival2] Hespranxer (-1 Trust)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
[X] [Rival2] Hespranxer (-1 Trust)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
- Location
- Central Europe
[X] [Rival1] 0 PW - Yes (-1 Trust)
[X] [Rival2] None (can only be taken if you declared against the Sketch)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
Two Rivals are enough for now.
[X] [Rival2] None (can only be taken if you declared against the Sketch)
[X] [Peace] 1 PW - At least try to respect national self determination (Feed the Kielmyr bits of Northern Tortun, you take some of the Wyrmyn parts of eastern Tortun, Behryvar gets the rest, Hespranxer devours Halvyni and colonies, +1 Trust)
[X] [Archaeology] 1 PW - Sounds good (Uses an Academy slot, other costs assumed by the Khemetri)
[X] [Research] Industrial Machine Tools (25/50-70?)[Industrial][Open]
Two Rivals are enough for now.
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Ok, new rule for wars going forward.
We don't deploy the needle rifles on any front. We keep them hidden and save them for the great war sonwe can stomp the Saffron theater flat very suddenly and secure our West flank.
We will lose the navel war. 3 GP navel powers, one of them the world's best navy... We are just gonna lose. We need to be ready to be cut off from the sea. Rails just got even more important. TKR just got more important.
We also need to consider war decing the Nohon NOW. We have a brief window here before war decing them will set off WW1. That window is while Hes is still reeling. If we do it now we can bash them good and stabalize the Eastern theater before the great war. If Hung can control their ports it will go a long way to saving our bacon there.
We don't deploy the needle rifles on any front. We keep them hidden and save them for the great war sonwe can stomp the Saffron theater flat very suddenly and secure our West flank.
We will lose the navel war. 3 GP navel powers, one of them the world's best navy... We are just gonna lose. We need to be ready to be cut off from the sea. Rails just got even more important. TKR just got more important.
We also need to consider war decing the Nohon NOW. We have a brief window here before war decing them will set off WW1. That window is while Hes is still reeling. If we do it now we can bash them good and stabalize the Eastern theater before the great war. If Hung can control their ports it will go a long way to saving our bacon there.