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Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization

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[X] [Sale] 0 PW - Moderate sale (+2 temp SoL)
[X] [Front] Assist the Black Sheep with their problems
[X] [Edu] 5 PW - Empty the coffers (-1 SoL, -3 temp SoL, +1 Education, +1 Innovation, Scientific research boosted, +3 temp Armies, +1 temp Navies)

Balancing it
 
With the seeming overwhelming aupport for "spend all the money" we should be able to support both a navel AND army push at the same time just fine. Those 3 temp armies seem just the thing to shore up the Blacksheep control over the area.

I would LOVE for this to lead to further ecconomic investment in the blacksheep. We aready sphere them. Pusing it further into ecconomic vassalisation is a solid goal.
 
Dutch said:
Uh. If you account for the time period most "wars" were either colonial, revolts/revolutions, and in Russia's case wars with the Ottomans/Egypt/Persia/Caucassus.

It also falls kinda flat when non of our peer powers are in a state of constant war.
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I mean, most of our wars are colonial, revolts/revolutions and with a secondary nations.
 
High Pressure Steam Engines and riverine steamboats are going to be a huge help with our transportation infrastructure problems. They'll improve shipping throughput in Khyberia a lot. Not as much as they did in northern America, but they'll help.
 
Arbit said:
High Pressure Steam Engines and riverine steamboats are going to be a huge help with our transportation infrastructure problems. They'll improve shipping throughput in Khyberia a lot. Not as much as they did in northern America, but they'll help.
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Are there any good East/west rivers?

I wonder if there will be a response to an economic crash that is "send poor people East" that involves a settle Khiberia or two. It may be worth it if we can push DTIs.
 
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[X] [Front] Keep up pressure at sea
[X] [Front] Attempt to assist the Hung in restoring order within their territory
-Frankly, the Hung are the most important here. It's a shame to give up BS, but China is the goal

[X] [Sale] 0 PW - Moderate sale (+2 temp SoL)
[X] [Edu] 5 PW - Empty the coffers (-1 SoL, -3 temp SoL, +1 Education, +1 Innovation, Scientific research boosted, +3 temp Armies, +1 temp Navies)
-Angry Cornuthaum Noises
 
ExNihilo said:
[Front] Keep up pressure at sea
[Front] Attempt to assist the Hung in restoring order within their territory
-Frankly, the Hung are the most important here. It's a shame to give up BS, but China is the goal

[Sale] 0 PW - Moderate sale (+2 temp SoL)
[Edu] 5 PW - Empty the coffers (-1 SoL, -3 temp SoL, +1 Education, +1 Innovation, Scientific research boosted, +3 temp Armies, +1 temp Navies)
-Angry Cornuthaum Noises
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I fear that without smashing the blockade FIRST we just make more mouths to feed, and I am not so absolutly sure we can pull it off in one go.
 
Fouredged Sword said:
I fear that without smashing the blockade FIRST we just make more mouths to feed, and I am not so absolutly sure we can pull it off in one go.
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That is why I approval voted. I want sea over BS, and right now, help hung has no shot at winning. I'm mostly using it as a 'wave the flag' as it were, to highlight why, but if it's actually hurting the sea vote somehow, I'll drop it.
 
People need to keep in mind that we are planning to help the BS and the Hung by choosing both,
[] [Front] Keep up pressure at sea
and
[] [Front] Assist the Black Sheep with their problems,
which will be allowed by AN if the votes are sufficiently close.
Black Sheep troubled territory is close enough for our raised armies to be a significant factor while our navies can keep trying to break the Hung cordon which is extremely significant.
 
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drasteed said:
People need to keep in mind that we are planning to help the BS and the Hung by choosing both,
[] [Front] Keep up pressure at sea
and
[] [Front] Assist the Black Sheep with their problems,
which will be allowed by AN if the votes are sufficiently close.
Black Sheep are close enough for the raised armies to be a significant factor while our navies can keep trying to break the cordon which is extremely significant.
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I thought Black Sheep didn't have any armies in play with this mess?
 
Hrn. So we currently have 6 PW. If we spend 5 now, what is the next phase and how much PW will we need then? And aren't we trying to save up for the ConCon?

For sure, I think we should do the Education boost, it'll placate the conservatives and innovation 10 is just around the corner. Also, research boost when we have some very shiny things to research is pretty attractive.

I'm not sure about emptying the coffers. +1 navies would be all very nice, but... Is it worth the cost? And I am not at all sure +3 temp armies are worthwhile. Maybe they'd help a bit with the fight in Kyberia...

As far as bailing out the Hung and the Black Sheep go...

What is really needed is for the Black Sheep to effectively address the political problem. Without that, our intervention would be a disaster. With that, our intervention would be to our profit. Based on the information we have, we can't be sure of the answer, but generally, it is a good idea to support your allies.

Also, while I think fears of a Sketch puppet state in the OYE regions of the Black Sheep empire are over-blown, things going into melt down here certainly gives them more ability to play games.

With the Hung, we're already heavily invested in supporting them (albeit, not too successfully so far), so the question is, do we want to up the anti? Certainly, the westerners getting more involved in the Hung mess is something we don't want, so military intervention to support them could be to our advantage.

ScreenWatcher said:
This, this is what i want.
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If we were to gain those regions, I'd rather do so by selling our Kus treaty ports to the Black Sheep in return for the OYE lands.

Academia Nut said:
Parts were, but the people there no longer have any relationship to the Ymaryn. You have as much claim as Italy has upon Normandy.
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WHAT?! I'll have you know that Italy has an ancient and sacred claim to Normandy! Except for that one small village that still holds out against the invaders... The French can keep that bit. More trouble than it's worth.

But seriously, nationalists have claimed things that were more tenuously related to their nation than the links between Normandy and Italy.

fasquardon
 
[X] [Sale] 0 PW - Moderate sale (+2 temp SoL)
[X] [Front] Assist the Black Sheep with their problems
[X] [Edu] 5 PW - Empty the coffers (-1 SoL, -3 temp SoL, +1 Education, +1 Innovation, Scientific research boosted, +3 temp Armies, +1 temp Navies)

Mainly to pull the vote closer to the naval vote so we can possibly get both. Will switch if neccessary
 
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[X] [Sale] 0 PW - Moderate sale (+2 temp SoL)
[X] [Edu] 5 PW - Empty the coffers (-1 SoL, -3 temp SoL, +1 Education, +1 Innovation, Scientific research boosted, +3 temp Armies, +1 temp Navies)
 
[X] [Front] Keep up pressure at sea
[X] [Sale] 0 PW - Moderate sale (+2 temp SoL)
[X] [Edu] 5 PW - Empty the coffers (-1 SoL, -3 temp SoL, +1 Education, +1 Innovation, Scientific research boosted, +3 temp Armies, +1 temp Navies)
tryrar said:
[X] [Sale] 0 PW - Moderate sale (+2 temp SoL)
[X] [Front] Assist the Black Sheep with their problems
[X] [Edu] 5 PW - Empty the coffers (-1 SoL, -3 temp SoL, +1 Education, +1 Innovation, Scientific research boosted, +3 temp Armies, +1 temp Navies)

Mainly to pull the vote closer to the naval vote so we can possibly get both. Will switch if necessary.
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Fixed.
 
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[X] [Sale] 0 PW - Moderate sale (+2 temp SoL)
[X] [Front] Keep up pressure at sea
[X] [Front] Assist the Black Sheep with their problems
[X] [Edu] 5 PW - Empty the coffers (-1 SoL, -3 temp SoL, +1 Education, +1 Innovation, Scientific research boosted, +3 temp Armies, +1 temp Navies)

Considering the hideous shit nationalism has caused OTL and the fact that we're a big empire that intends to grow, we want to be weakening the grip of nationalism and ethnocentrism on the human mind. Condemnation just stiffens resistance but contemnation - a process of making it mockable, associated with failure, socially demeaning and so on can be effective in the long term in combination with a better alternative. Some sort of assimilationist pan-humanism would fit us better.

The bad parts of your culture are not OK because youve been doing them a long time, the good parts are a source of cool stuff for everyone, your bloodline matters less than your citizenship, making claims based on either won't get you imprisoned, it will get you laughed at and worsen your marriage prospects.
 
[X] [Sale] 0 PW - Moderate sale (+2 temp SoL)
[X] [Front] Keep up pressure at sea
[X] [Front] Assist the Black Sheep with their problems
[X] [Edu] 5 PW - Empty the coffers (-1 SoL, -3 temp SoL, +1 Education, +1 Innovation, Scientific research boosted, +3 temp Armies, +1 temp Navies)
 
noliar said:
[X] [Sale] 0 PW - Moderate sale (+2 temp SoL)
[X] [Front] Keep up pressure at sea
[X] [Front] Assist the Black Sheep with their problems
[X] [Edu] 5 PW - Empty the coffers (-1 SoL, -3 temp SoL, +1 Education, +1 Innovation, Scientific research boosted, +3 temp Armies, +1 temp Navies)

Considering the hideous shit nationalism has caused OTL and the fact that we're a big empire that intends to grow, we want to be weakening the grip of nationalism and ethnocentrism on the human mind. Condemnation just stiffens resistance but contemnation - a process of making it mockable, associated with failure, socially demeaning and so on can be effective in the long term in combination with a better alternative. Some sort of assimilationist pan-humanism would fit us better.

The bad parts of your culture are not OK because youve been doing them a long time, the good parts are a source of cool stuff for everyone, your bloodline matters less than your citizenship, making claims based on either won't get you imprisoned, it will get you laughed at and worsen your marriage prospects.
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The hell are you on about.
 
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