Merkels Operation Walküre

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Okay, folks. The Germans had thought to make peace with the Allies very soon. That didn't happen, but they had recognized de Gaulle, which was a mistake, but done due to 1960s opinion on him. But the de Gaulle of 1944 wasn't the one of 1963! Again, I don't want to make the Germans making no mistakes. They shall do. And they already know, that this was a mistake. However, they think, with the Brits out and the war in the US becoming more and more costly with no chance of success, the US will relent. We'll see, what the consequences of a British separate peace are. However, I have to add again, that even this treaty isn't signed yet. They need about two months. Much can happen in this time, even a US coup in Britain. Nobody knows. Well, that's not true. I do! :p :D
 
The Soviets made peace and are delivering resources. Roosevelt is still playing Cato the Elder: Ceterum censeo Germaniam esse delendam.
That strange.In OTL FDR was arleady dying,and even if he was healthy,he almost always did what his soviet influenced friends wonted.Now, they wont peace with Germany - so FDR should either was to busy dying to care,or made peace,becouse his friend "uncle Joe" wont it.

If FDR in canon always followed what Stalin said,why he should he oppose him now ? Unless...Stalin made peace, but asked FDR to wage war.becouse he wont to gather forces for attack.

FDR approach had sense only if Stalin urged him to fight.
 
Politics, all those people have invested a lot of things and their careers to get a victory.
The Vietnam War is an example of continuing the war, only this time it has public support. If Germany succeeds in achieving peace with England and France, the United States will be bound to make a peace treaty.

Germany restored the Baltic countries and those countries have their own armies, as there were volunteers fighting in the German army of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia.
 
So... if the US does nothing, they loose, and (at least the leadership) knows it. So: Wild plan: US led coup in UK, then sell the country to the French in exchange for the French to attack the Hun? The British just might feel a bit miffed about that kind of backstab, but nevermind that. I'm sure that would have absolutely no repercussions down the line. But to the Americans, the UK are Imperialists, and dangerous. Would be interesting if the French go "Okay", then make a deal with the Germans and basically have an extremely limited border skirmish for a few weeks that simply dies out, or succeeds. "For political reasons we need to go to war. Our war goals are those three mostly-french villages in Elsass-Lothringen, and we'll deploy... 30 men and a chef for each of them." (Chess challenges between officers? Boxing matches between champions? I don't know. That last one I could actually see happening.)

The US could try and land lots of troops in Spain maybe, get them into France to assist? It's not a good plan, but it's the start of a plan. If they somehow could get the Poles and Italians to rise against the Germans at the same time - but no. The Poles, possibly, but that could be anything from 'twentysix men with rifles and clubs' that end up getting stopped by other poles, to more or less everyone trying to zerg the Germans. And it would be rather optimistic indeed to manage those kinds of operations simultaneously and silently. Not to mention the Germans have rather silly amounts of armies returning from the Eastern front, and they are absolute morons if they disband them while still at war.
 
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Do it, I double dare the US do it. It does nothing other than strengthens the UK patriotic and maybe the Commonwealth. Do it and we will take New England back to it rightful owner. For Queen and the Empire lads, third time's a charm.

Also please please not DeGaulle. There'll another Mỹ Trạch in Vietnam again. That shithole deserve a dead sentence for what he did to Vietnam.
 
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I doubt that "Capri Spezial" is a "Coup de main" or a "Coup d'état" in Britian. (It would be a bloody mess if the US and British Forces in the UK fight.)
Far more likely is that it is a Operation to seize the British Caribian Colonies, (War-)ships in US-Ports/Docks and Warmaterials for the Britisch in the USA.
 
@logiccosmic upheld the infraction. He reasoned, it would be an apologia of warcrimes, that I said this:

Well, at first, why do some believe, that Japan can't change, either? In 1944 Japan was clearly losing the war and the wish to end the war started to grow. Don't get me wrong, Japan did a series of atrocities. But I am still the opinion, that FDR did provoke the war, like he tried to do so with Germany. [...] Don't get me wrong. What they did were horrible crimes. But OTOH FDR tried to dictate them his conditions. I think in real negotiations the Japanese would have relented. But this wasn't wanted by FDR. The Japanese could only choose between humiliation and US dictate or war.

I never had this intention. But more comments won't follow, as I appealed against this wrong reasoning.
 
@logiccosmic upheld the infraction. He reasoned, it would be an apologia of warcrimes, that I said this:



I never had this intention. But more comments won't follow, as I appealed against this wrong reasoning.

Yes, that's weird. TBH I think that your basic argument that Japan was an agent in a highly complex international situation and acted on policies which seemed correct at the time, is very reasonable and in line with history as I learnt it, which is to see historical actions in the context of the time in which they happened not our modern context. Obviously Japan commited atrocities, but I don't think you were saying Japan could not help themselves from commiting war-crimes due to the USA's policicies, but instead imploring the reader to try and understand why Japan would have made specific decisions.

I guess, their point connecting your statement for war-crime apologism is pretty tenuous, but I think you're doing the right thing by waiting for the appeal. From my impression SV is more understanding and reflecting in their moderating than what I have seen at AH.com, so just bear with them for the moment.
 
@logiccosmic upheld the infraction. He reasoned, it would be an apologia of warcrimes, that I said this:



I never had this intention. But more comments won't follow, as I appealed against this wrong reasoning.

It is difficult to be nuanced about ww2 still. People are still too much focussed on "Germany evil, USA good." and "Japan evil, USA good." What those people forget is that it is important to see why things happened and not just ban everything straight up. That Japan committed many a warcrime during WW2, especially acording to current modern udnerstanding of the term 'warcrime', is a given. But it is still important to figure out why it got to that point, and that one of the reasons is that Japan felt themselves being squeezed to death by a thousand minor cuts by the West (and esp. the USA) is true, and it gives an explanation as to why they behaved the way they did (at least partially). It does not however mean that suddenly what the Japanese did is somehow all rosy smelling, for the behaviour in question was still beyond the pale.

And honestly, I expect this post to be flagged for the same reason as yours did, still it has to be said.
 
It is difficult to be nuanced about ww2 still. People are still too much focussed on "Germany evil, USA good." and "Japan evil, USA good." What those people forget is that it is important to see why things happened and not just ban everything straight up. That Japan committed many a warcrime during WW2, especially acording to current modern udnerstanding of the term 'warcrime', is a given. But it is still important to figure out why it got to that point, and that one of the reasons is that Japan felt themselves being squeezed to death by a thousand minor cuts by the West (and esp. the USA) is true, and it gives an explanation as to why they behaved the way they did (at least partially). It does not however mean that suddenly what the Japanese did is somehow all rosy smelling, for the behaviour in question was still beyond the pale.

And honestly, I expect this post to be flagged for the same reason as yours did, still it has to be said.
To consider some actions are understandable does not mean they are acceptable. For example the three alls policy was something done since before the time of Caesar but is not acceptable by current moral standards. The actions taken during the Rape of Nanjing are beyond my comprehension and seem of be more demonic than bestial.
 
@logiccosmic upheld the infraction. He reasoned, it would be an apologia of warcrimes, that I said this:



I never had this intention. But more comments won't follow, as I appealed against this wrong reasoning.

It is your right.

I read interesting book - "Hitlers nonsters,a supernatural history of the third reich" by Eric Kurlander.
I knew about SS idiocy,but it seems, that every faction in NSDAP was dealing with occult shit. I once thought,that Goebbels was against it - it is not true, he was only against unscientifid occult.
Factions in NSDAP fought about which astrology is bad judish,and which good german-aryan.
Only reason why they do not attacked catholic church openly/except war/ was becouse followers of germanic gods fought followers of german-buddism,german-hindu and even german-islam.

I could not undarstand,how such bunch of idiots could conqer almost entire Europe. Poland fell,becouse we were lead by idiots,too,but others ?
 
And here I thought my impression of those people couldn't fall any lower. Every fucking time, man.
They're not really all that special; pretty much every country has nutters like that. Like that Soviet "scientist" who tried to create human-ape hybrids via artificial insemination. Or another one who supposedly theorized that blood transfusions could be used for rejuvenation to achieve eternal youth.
 
They're not really all that special; pretty much every country has nutters like that. Like that Soviet "scientist" who tried to create human-ape hybrids via artificial insemination. Or another one who supposedly theorized that blood transfusions could be used for rejuvenation to achieve eternal youth.
If i remember correctly, one of them seek Shamballa before Himmler.Unfortunatelly for him, Stalin purged him,just like apeman dude.But even he had his own pet hypnotizer.So much for scientific approach.

More interesting thing is,that occult shit apparently get popular in 19th century Germany/just like in all Europe/ ,difference is, that other countries do not stick to that after WW1.
Or at least not in politics - germans really belived,that faked prophiecies of Nostradamus that Hitler would conqer England would work against british,so they send them/except bombs/ there.Of course,british could play with occult - but not in serious matters.

German really made decision influenced by occult - for example,Hess go to England becouse few astrologers belived,that STARS ARE RIGHT to made peace.
 
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In a PM debate @Lord Okkirke asked me, what happened to the Italian carrier Sparviero. She had been captured intact by the Germans. As I had made the Aquila to a Midway class battle carrier (as I did with the Graf Zeppelin), I thought it was too much, to do so with the Sparviero. However, I took a second look on her. She was to carry only 25-34 planes and with only 20 kn at best she was an auxiliar carrier. My sources said, she was still not finished and only the superstructure had been removed. The English wiki site says in contrast, that she was nearly finished. Because of that I am not so sure, if my first thought, to leave her as she was, was right. So what would you think? Shall I

1. let her remain in the state as she is, just another hulk?
2. let her be completed as planned, meaning a Sparviero class carrier?
3. OR replace her with a third Midway class carrier, the Graf Zeppelin?

I know you already came to a decision, but I just had another thought: Does Germany have any helicopter carriers? They're smaller than proper aircraft carriers, more useful for ASW, and still have considerable anti-ship punch, if with less strike range I think.
 
Chapter III, Part 11: Monsoon Boats
Bismarck Sea, October 1st, 1944:

U-183 under Kapitänleutnant Fritz Schneewind had left Penang for patrol approximately two weeks ago.

He had received orders to patrol just as refuelling at Manila was complete. The orders were to patrol the Bismarck Sea, then the Coral Sea and lastly the area off the eastern coast of Australia, the Tasman Sea before returning to Penang.

The boat was considered a dinosaur within the German navy. Most type VII and IX boats had been decommissioned, as they were regarded to be obsolete. In the Black Sea, the Type II boats were still used with some success, but they were about to be replaced by Type XXIII boats as well. Here, on the other side of the world, such a replacement was not possible so the crews had to rely on the boats already present. They were U-168, U-183, U-188, U-510 and U-532 of the first wave and U-181, U-196, U-198, U-537, U-859, U-860, U-1064 and U-843 of the second wave. U-490 had been recalled.

Boats already en route had been given strict orders not to use Enigma and to avoid all contact with enemy warships. Although not forbidden it was clear, the boats should not attack merchant convoys or escorted vessels. These measures led them safely to the Indian Ocean, where they finally, after great difficulties, were able to rendezvous with the German supply ships Bogota and Quito. These supply difficulties were later solved by regular drops from UT German long range transport aircraft.

UT Germany had decided to assist the Japanese thus decided to upgrade the boats of Gruppe Monsun. U-183 under Schneewind was the first boat to sortie. It had upgraded radar, sonar and had Stinger SAMs onboard for air defence.

So far they had encountered little in way of enemy activity, no vessels were spotted, except for two small sailing vessels. When he was about to give the order to continue to the Coral Sea, he received news that a ship was detected on their radar. He immediately made his way to the bridge and gave orders to intercept the detected vessel.

It was the SS Robert J. Walker, carrying ammunition for the US fleet to Eniwetok atoll. Engine troubles had led the master to miss the escorts. He had been ordered to go ahead alone.

For Schneewind the ship was an ideal and easy target. A ship sailing at 8 knots in a straight unadjusted course, no escorts, no aircraft in sight. He did have suspicions of this being a trap. Taking the plunge he nevertheless had four torpedoes fired at the ship and then dived. After three minutes he heard a torpedo hit and then felt the submarine shudder from a tremendous explosion. He didn't dare look at the aftermath, the ship was likely destroyed. U-183 quickly left the area after that.

The next day a PBY Catalina flying boat spotted the debris of a ship. Eventually, the USS Fletcher arrived to only find debris that they thought to be that of the SS Robert J. Walker. As there were no signs of an attack or break up due to weather, they considered the loss to be a tragic accident with the ship's cargo.

U-183 avoided detection once more and moved on to patrol the Coral Sea a few days later. As there were no suitable targets available Schneewind continued onwards to waters off the Eastern Coast of Australia, where he finally detected a group of warships. His boat carried four DM2A3 Seehecht torpedoes, he fired two of them on the cruiser, which was escorted by about six destroyers. As the torpedoes were wire-guided, they hit HMAS Australia, which was underway to join the Allied fleet at Eniwetok. Both torpedoes exploded below the rump of the ship. This caused her to literally jump out of the water and then break in three soon after. The escorts looked for a submarine in the vicinity but found none. U-183 was too far out and had already changed course.

As the Australian waters had become a bit too "hot", Schneewind decided to patrol off New Zealand. There he met a small convoy off Auckland. He fired a single T-11 homing torpedo at the single escort, HMNZS Arabis, and then three at the three escorted ships. The corvette sank quickly and so did one of the freighters, but the others were still afloat. So he turned and used his aft tubes to fire a coup de grâce at both. Both hit and he left again. All three freighters were sunk.

Schneewind turned west and went back to the Tasman Sea area. There he sank three further ships. He narrowly avoided detection several times and finally arrived at Penang the day before Christmas.

This was the first and most successful sortie of a Uboat into the Pacific Ocean in 1944. The other, by U-860, was less successful, with two ships sunk, the boat detected and eventually sunk. No casualties with all the crew escaping safely and becoming prisoners of war.
 
Thanks for editing to @Darksoul2142 .

BTW, the SS Robert J. Walker had been indeed the only ship sunk by a Uboat in the Pacific Ocean:

Robert J. Walker (American Steam merchant) - Ships hit by German U-boats during WWII - uboat.net

The U-boat War in World War Two (Kriegsmarine, 1939-1945) and World War One (Kaiserliche Marine, 1914-1918) and the Allied efforts to counter the threat. This section includes over 21.000 Allied Warships and over 11.000 Allied Commanders of WWII, from the US Navy, Royal Navy, Royal Canadian...

Interestingly German surface vessels sank more ships in the Pacific Ocean than Uboats.
 
What's going on in USA since its a election year,have the Germans made public that they want peace with 1914 borders and Austria?
Last time they wonted 1937 borders and referendum in some part of Poland.Also,unless Merkel from 2020,they want to pay contribution for destroyed polish property and murdered people.
Border from 1914 means no polish state.It cerainly would be better for Germany budget.

Not that USA citizens would care - they sell us to soviets, so why not to germans ? To be honest,Merkel in tis TL could kill all poles and nobody in USA /except polish minority/would care.

P.S about U-boots - as far as i remember,germans there had some taken over italians subs, too.
 
The official German position, as of now, is, that Germany as of 1937 is not in question. Every other territory as of 1914 shall hold a plebiscite to determin the nationality.

There are some Italian submarines captured, but many are too outdated. This isn't true for the surface ships, which are used. More in the next chapter. In this 3rd Chapter I will only post content to the situation in Asia.
 
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