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Merkels Operation Walküre
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Darksoul2142
SUMMONER OF DARK DRAGON
- Location
- Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
The good german thing reminded me of Oskar Schindler. Come on Tyr Anazasi you have to write a scene with him in it
. It could be him and UT/DT Jews meeting each other, recognition of his deeds etc.
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- Hamburg, Germany
Oskar Schindler will appear. But in the chapter after the next.
Chapter II, Part 73: Rügenwalder Teewurst
- Location
- Hamburg, Germany
Near Rügenwalde, December 23rd, 05:34:
It was night time with dawn only a few hours away. For Marius Kreisler it was okay. His problem was the location. He was on a small trawler on his way back to home.
His voyage to Moscow had been an adventure. As Sweden was the only country which was neutral and in suitable proximity to the USSR, it was used as base. A trawler had brought them to a location somewhere in the Baltic, where they boarded a Swedish trawler. Both were commanded by commies. Or just hired as he was. From Sweden they were brought to a location somewhere in the North by train. Then they were taken to a remote location, where they got on-board a small transport plane to fly to Murmansk, from where they got the train to Moscow. They took very same route to get back. Unknown to him, the German and Swedish authorities knew about everything and didn't intervene.
So here he was, somewhere near Rügenwalde in Farther Pomerania. At least he was familiar with this area. Indirectly. He liked to eat the Rügenwalder Teewurst, which was still produced after the war, but only from the firms, which had their seat in Rügenwalde. The Event had caused some problems since Rügenwalder Teewurst was reserved to the products made in or around Rügenwalde. Because of this several firms decided to build their own factories there or merged with their DT equivalents. This meant, that DT factories required modernisation. Due to this the number of uptimers there had been risen significantly. Janine had parked her old green Citroen 2CV there. That type of car was nicknamed Duck in Germany (Ente).
It was decided, that Marius and she would disembark at first. Then the trawler would make its way to Swinemünde and Stettin, where the others would disembark. Janine had no longer been friendly to Marius since leaving Russia. Marius was no fool, at least completely. He knew, that the situation had been another in Russia, although he failed to see that until they left the country. Janine agreed to take him back to Hamburg.
When she started up the car, Marius finally got the courage to say something. "Janine, I am sorry. I really thought our night..."
"Stop it. I did it freely, you liked it. Nothing you had to worry about." she answered coolly.
"But I thought, that you were forced to..."
"Please. Stop it. You're just a naive man. Thinking more with your head down there rather than the one up here" as she pointed her finger at his crotch then at his head.
Marius could feel she was getting angry, so he just sighed. It had been too good to be true.
"I have other problems now." she suddenly exclaimed.
"Why? I thought it was a success?" he asked.
"Yes. Just because of that." She stopped the car. Marius could see, that they were somewhere at an old barn. Suddenly several men with sub-machine guns aiming at him stormed the car and took him into the barn. "Ho, what are you doing, don't shoot!" Marius said. He was panicking.
A few moments later he was seated on a chair in the barn, when another chair was put in front of him. A man with a navy uniform sat on the chair and looked at him. The officer was old and not very big.
"Meister, what do you want? I didn't do anything." Marius said. He had no idea what was going on. He didn't even think that his trip to Moscow was the reason for the current situation he was in.
"You made a trip to Moscow?" the officer asked calmly.
"Of course. And?" Marius replied.
"You know, we were at war with them?"
"No, not any longer." He made a small pause. "Or?"
"Nobody can be so dumb." The officer screamed. "Nobody can be so naive!"
"Herr Admiral..." Janine wanted to interject, but was stopped before she could say more.
"Fräulein, I would be very cautious so as to what I say if I were you. You're already in deep trouble. I can tell you, that there are many, who want to blame you for this mess. Why did you take HIM?" the admiral asked furiously.
Marius thought, he had seen him once before. Wasn't he the German commander of the fleet at Jutland? Damn, when was this battle? 1941?
"Well, our agent had an accident..."
"I know that!"
"And we needed a replacement,..."
"A logical conclusion. But that does not answer my question!"
"Erm, I wanted to be sure, nobody could get to know about the trojans..."
"Hopefully." The Admiral's look was grim.
"I chose someone who was in their initial stage of studying informatics, a complete novice. I never thought..."
"I see. You never thought. Didn't you think for once, to take a more in-depth look at him?" the admiral's voice was eerily calm. Even Marius had a feeling, that this meant nothing good.
"Herr Admiral, I gave a list of three possible students to Mr. Maaßen himself. He..."
"You did what?" the admiral asked.
"I gave the names of three suitable students to Mr. Maaßen to let the Verfassungsschutz have a nearer look." she defended herself. "I had no idea of his possibilities. I took Mr. Kreisler only because I saw him once or twice in the mensa, where he looked at me in a certain way. Many boys did that..."
"Fräulein, while I can understand the last point, it has nothing to do with the current situation.
So you took him on the list?"
"Jawoll, Herr Admiral."
"And this list was given to Mr. Maaßen for checking?"
"Yes."
"Did you know Mr. Lars Kreisler, now Leutnant Kreisler?"
"Erm, no, Herr Admiral. Should I?"
"He's Mr. Kreisler's twin and a computer expert as well. He programmed the artillery guidance program for DT warships. The program used at Alta."
Although the temperatures were below freezing Janine broke out a sweat. "No, I did not."
The admiral breathed. "Justifiable considering Mr Lars is a relatively unknown figure. Until yesterday at least, when he was awarded the Knight's cross for his work. In public. I have to talk to Mr. Altmaier soon. Maaßen poses a danger to the German secret agencies."
"So Mr Kreisler, what are we supposed to do with you? Are you a communist?" the Admiral wanted to know. Marius shook his head.
"No, he isn't." Janine sighed. "Just a computer nerd, who wanted to earn some money."
"Well, then Mr. Kreisler, I have an offer you cannot refuse! If you know what I mean."
"Yes, Herr General. From 'The Godfather'. I know." Marius answered.
"Fine. Firstly, you will continue your studies and then you will find a new job with us. In the meantime you will stay in contact with us. Lastly, if you're hired, you will tell us, who wants to hire you and for what. Otherwise..."
"Yes, I understand." Marius said.
"Okay. Oh. And you will get some extra money from us." the admiral added.
Shortly after they were driving home. Suddenly Janine broke the silence with a sigh.
"I am sorry, I involved you in this. I didn't want to hurt you." she said.
"Well, it's okay. I wanted the money." Marius replied.
"You know, that either Stalin or Admiral Canaris could have you eliminated?"
"We don't kill our own and I had a contract with Stalin."
"Are you really that naive?"
Marius sighed. "No. But I don't think, we are going to kill someone for finding a poorly hidden program in a tablet. As for as Stalin, I was confident that I wouldn't meet him. If I do my job properly without drawing attention to myself everything would be fine. In the case of something going wrong I had contingencies in place.
"What contingencies?"
"I can show you. But if I were you, I would tell those programmers not to..." For the next hour Janine had to listen to him rant about the program he detected. She didn't understand a word of it. She just thanked god, they came out of this so well.
When they arrived at Hamburg, she stopped in a dark corner of a parking house to let Marius go. Before she suddenly grabbed between his legs and held his testicles in a vice grip.
"One last thing: If you tell ANYONE about me being a Verfassungsschutz agent or the conversation with Admiral Canaris, I will KILL you. Slowly. Painfully. Do you understand?"
Marius just nodded. Soon after he would take the regional train to Buxtehude.
Shortly after New Year a reorganisation of the German secret agencies took place. Mr. Maaßen was fired, while the boss of the BND, Gerhard Schindler, would take over the Verfassungsschutz with Christof Gramm taking over the BND. The Abwehr was absorbed into the MAD with Admiral Canaris as its head.
It was night time with dawn only a few hours away. For Marius Kreisler it was okay. His problem was the location. He was on a small trawler on his way back to home.
His voyage to Moscow had been an adventure. As Sweden was the only country which was neutral and in suitable proximity to the USSR, it was used as base. A trawler had brought them to a location somewhere in the Baltic, where they boarded a Swedish trawler. Both were commanded by commies. Or just hired as he was. From Sweden they were brought to a location somewhere in the North by train. Then they were taken to a remote location, where they got on-board a small transport plane to fly to Murmansk, from where they got the train to Moscow. They took very same route to get back. Unknown to him, the German and Swedish authorities knew about everything and didn't intervene.
So here he was, somewhere near Rügenwalde in Farther Pomerania. At least he was familiar with this area. Indirectly. He liked to eat the Rügenwalder Teewurst, which was still produced after the war, but only from the firms, which had their seat in Rügenwalde. The Event had caused some problems since Rügenwalder Teewurst was reserved to the products made in or around Rügenwalde. Because of this several firms decided to build their own factories there or merged with their DT equivalents. This meant, that DT factories required modernisation. Due to this the number of uptimers there had been risen significantly. Janine had parked her old green Citroen 2CV there. That type of car was nicknamed Duck in Germany (Ente).
It was decided, that Marius and she would disembark at first. Then the trawler would make its way to Swinemünde and Stettin, where the others would disembark. Janine had no longer been friendly to Marius since leaving Russia. Marius was no fool, at least completely. He knew, that the situation had been another in Russia, although he failed to see that until they left the country. Janine agreed to take him back to Hamburg.
When she started up the car, Marius finally got the courage to say something. "Janine, I am sorry. I really thought our night..."
"Stop it. I did it freely, you liked it. Nothing you had to worry about." she answered coolly.
"But I thought, that you were forced to..."
"Please. Stop it. You're just a naive man. Thinking more with your head down there rather than the one up here" as she pointed her finger at his crotch then at his head.
Marius could feel she was getting angry, so he just sighed. It had been too good to be true.
"I have other problems now." she suddenly exclaimed.
"Why? I thought it was a success?" he asked.
"Yes. Just because of that." She stopped the car. Marius could see, that they were somewhere at an old barn. Suddenly several men with sub-machine guns aiming at him stormed the car and took him into the barn. "Ho, what are you doing, don't shoot!" Marius said. He was panicking.
A few moments later he was seated on a chair in the barn, when another chair was put in front of him. A man with a navy uniform sat on the chair and looked at him. The officer was old and not very big.
"Meister, what do you want? I didn't do anything." Marius said. He had no idea what was going on. He didn't even think that his trip to Moscow was the reason for the current situation he was in.
"You made a trip to Moscow?" the officer asked calmly.
"Of course. And?" Marius replied.
"You know, we were at war with them?"
"No, not any longer." He made a small pause. "Or?"
"Nobody can be so dumb." The officer screamed. "Nobody can be so naive!"
"Herr Admiral..." Janine wanted to interject, but was stopped before she could say more.
"Fräulein, I would be very cautious so as to what I say if I were you. You're already in deep trouble. I can tell you, that there are many, who want to blame you for this mess. Why did you take HIM?" the admiral asked furiously.
Marius thought, he had seen him once before. Wasn't he the German commander of the fleet at Jutland? Damn, when was this battle? 1941?
"Well, our agent had an accident..."
"I know that!"
"And we needed a replacement,..."
"A logical conclusion. But that does not answer my question!"
"Erm, I wanted to be sure, nobody could get to know about the trojans..."
"Hopefully." The Admiral's look was grim.
"I chose someone who was in their initial stage of studying informatics, a complete novice. I never thought..."
"I see. You never thought. Didn't you think for once, to take a more in-depth look at him?" the admiral's voice was eerily calm. Even Marius had a feeling, that this meant nothing good.
"Herr Admiral, I gave a list of three possible students to Mr. Maaßen himself. He..."
"You did what?" the admiral asked.
"I gave the names of three suitable students to Mr. Maaßen to let the Verfassungsschutz have a nearer look." she defended herself. "I had no idea of his possibilities. I took Mr. Kreisler only because I saw him once or twice in the mensa, where he looked at me in a certain way. Many boys did that..."
"Fräulein, while I can understand the last point, it has nothing to do with the current situation.
So you took him on the list?"
"Jawoll, Herr Admiral."
"And this list was given to Mr. Maaßen for checking?"
"Yes."
"Did you know Mr. Lars Kreisler, now Leutnant Kreisler?"
"Erm, no, Herr Admiral. Should I?"
"He's Mr. Kreisler's twin and a computer expert as well. He programmed the artillery guidance program for DT warships. The program used at Alta."
Although the temperatures were below freezing Janine broke out a sweat. "No, I did not."
The admiral breathed. "Justifiable considering Mr Lars is a relatively unknown figure. Until yesterday at least, when he was awarded the Knight's cross for his work. In public. I have to talk to Mr. Altmaier soon. Maaßen poses a danger to the German secret agencies."
"So Mr Kreisler, what are we supposed to do with you? Are you a communist?" the Admiral wanted to know. Marius shook his head.
"No, he isn't." Janine sighed. "Just a computer nerd, who wanted to earn some money."
"Well, then Mr. Kreisler, I have an offer you cannot refuse! If you know what I mean."
"Yes, Herr General. From 'The Godfather'. I know." Marius answered.
"Fine. Firstly, you will continue your studies and then you will find a new job with us. In the meantime you will stay in contact with us. Lastly, if you're hired, you will tell us, who wants to hire you and for what. Otherwise..."
"Yes, I understand." Marius said.
"Okay. Oh. And you will get some extra money from us." the admiral added.
Shortly after they were driving home. Suddenly Janine broke the silence with a sigh.
"I am sorry, I involved you in this. I didn't want to hurt you." she said.
"Well, it's okay. I wanted the money." Marius replied.
"You know, that either Stalin or Admiral Canaris could have you eliminated?"
"We don't kill our own and I had a contract with Stalin."
"Are you really that naive?"
Marius sighed. "No. But I don't think, we are going to kill someone for finding a poorly hidden program in a tablet. As for as Stalin, I was confident that I wouldn't meet him. If I do my job properly without drawing attention to myself everything would be fine. In the case of something going wrong I had contingencies in place.
"What contingencies?"
"I can show you. But if I were you, I would tell those programmers not to..." For the next hour Janine had to listen to him rant about the program he detected. She didn't understand a word of it. She just thanked god, they came out of this so well.
When they arrived at Hamburg, she stopped in a dark corner of a parking house to let Marius go. Before she suddenly grabbed between his legs and held his testicles in a vice grip.
"One last thing: If you tell ANYONE about me being a Verfassungsschutz agent or the conversation with Admiral Canaris, I will KILL you. Slowly. Painfully. Do you understand?"
Marius just nodded. Soon after he would take the regional train to Buxtehude.
Shortly after New Year a reorganisation of the German secret agencies took place. Mr. Maaßen was fired, while the boss of the BND, Gerhard Schindler, would take over the Verfassungsschutz with Christof Gramm taking over the BND. The Abwehr was absorbed into the MAD with Admiral Canaris as its head.
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Interesting times ahead - the downtimers survived the Nazis and the war. Might take a different take on 'due procedure'.
I post once - and nothing happened.Then i try again - and against,nothing.After third time i succed - but there were 3 posts instead of one.I do not knew,what happened.
sorry.
Did you remember to refresh the page after the failed posts? (If you're worried about losing the post draft, copy and paste.)
No,i forget to do so.my mistake.
Darksoul2142
SUMMONER OF DARK DRAGON
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- Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Eh it happens to the best of us
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- Hamburg, Germany
Due to RL issues I have to take a break.
Take yopur time,RL is always more important.As good german you could use Hermann Raulshling,who initially help Hitler, - i read hos book Rewolucja hinilizmu" /Revolution of nihilism/ about how he decide to stop support Hitler.
oskar schindler would not do - he not only take big money for saving ,but also used sexually jewish woman.His wife wrote about that,if i remember.
I wish you luck with RL
Darksoul2142
SUMMONER OF DARK DRAGON
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- Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Can I get a source for that (about Oskar Schindler) by the way?
Violation of Rule 4 Your argument has already been adressed and you missinterpred the book that you are talking about willfully.
Dawid M.Crove wrote book about that - Schindler saved jews,yes,but becouse he need workers and jews get in german factories 5-3 zloty instead of 20/30,like poles.And he get factory,becouse it was stolen from riftful,jewish owners.
He,alongside his friend from SS,Amon Goth,made orgies with jewish womans.
But he also take most of his workers to Czech,when jews from other factories was usually murdered by germans.
So,he saved them - but ceratinly he is not hero like polish Ulm family,murdered by germans for hiding jews in 1944.
Darksoul2142
SUMMONER OF DARK DRAGON
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So saving 1000+ Jews from a certain death in Auschwitz and spending everything he had doesn't even remotely count as being heroic? He could've died for that but he survived by bribing every Nazi officer/official to the brim. Do you have to die to become a hero (not downplaying the Ulma family)?
He was a womaniser and everyone acknowledges that but if he sexually exploited Jewish women (Amon Goeth orgies) on such a scale then that would have been noted down in history or the many Jews saved by Schindler would've spoken out about this.
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Considering that Hermann Raulshling never really met Hitler and his work "Gespräche mit Hitler" (Talks with Hitler?!) is considered an work of fraud and lies i don't think he is a good example for "a good German", even if his later book Revolution of nihilism is considered a good source for fascism theory by some.
Source:
Benz, Graml, Weiß: Enzyklopädie des Nationalsozialismus. Klett-Cotta, Stuttgart 1997, S. 872
Kershaw: Hitler 1889–1936. Hubris, London 1998, S. xiv.
Köhler: Deutschland auf dem Weg zu sich selbst. Eine Jahrhundertgeschichte. Hohenheim-Verlag, Stuttgart 2002, S. 338.
Steigmann-Gall: The Holy Reich. Nazi Conceptions of Christianity, 1919–1945. Cambridge University Press, S. 29.
Yes Oskar Schindler was no saint, he was an opportunist and profited from "his jews" but he also saved them.
And Dawid M.Croves Biography of Oskar Schindler isn't the best source for Schindlers life, because Crowe more than once quotes Thomas Keneallys roman und Spielbergs film because he lacked sources for Schindlers life.
Furthermore he postulates that not Oskar Schindler is responsible for the famous list but rather, a Marcel Goldberg, a "corrupt Jewish security officer," who is said to have put together the list at will.
But this is not plausible.
Not only does Crowe use contradictory utterances of stakeholders, the witness on whom Crowe relies substantially for some of his claims against Schindler, had already left the camp Plaszow at the time of writing Schindler's list.
(Source: Brinck, Die Zeit, 01/09/2005)
And yes Jozef and Wiktoria Ulma hid a jewish family and deserve recognition for it, but they are hardly the only ones who did that.
Miep Gies (geb. Hermine Santrouschitz), which hid Anne Frank and family comes to mind.
Btw i would like a quoteable source for those "Schindler orgies" with Amon Göth.
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He take jewish factory,used them as slave labor and used jewish woman - but unless other germans he fed them well and evacuate to another factory,not send to Auschwitz.So,he was better then average german.
But he risked nothing,becouse german gestapo do not kill other important germans from NSDAP for bribes.
ULM family and other Poles - they risked life of their entire families.So yes,you are downplaing them now.
After the war he wanted money from saved jews - did you hear about Irena Sendlerowa or Zofia Kossak Szczucka to do the same? He get his reward in money - and wasted them all for womans.
Darksoul2142
SUMMONER OF DARK DRAGON
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You mean spending everything you had isn't enough?
So paying your workers, housing them in good facilities, providing good medical care and food while asking them to work (only to save them from Auschwitz) is slavery?
He received support from other Jews because he had nothing left with all his post war business ventures failing badly. Accepting and/or asking for help =/= being a greedy leech.
Wouldn't you ask for help from a group of people you know well if you are down on luck?
The Irena and Zofia point of argument is quite sad from you. Post war Irena had a successful career in the Communist Polish government so bad finances are straight out. Zofia wrote books and had success (I don't know the extent) with them post war.
See the problem here? Schindler had shit luck with his finances post war.
Others can give sources I do not have but Schindler was arrested a few times during the war in direct relation to his activities to save Jews.
Lastly, I never said anything to downplay the sacrifices made by the Ulma family. Edit#1: To add there were many other Poles who saved many Jewish people so I am definitely not looking down on Polish people.
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At first thank you for your support. It isn't over yet and will remain a problem. At least tomorrow and Friday are crucial.
However, I have to add, that here some pseudo-arguments were given, which shall indicate, that there were only Poles, who helped them. But the Poles were not only innocent:
The Ulma family was denunciated by another Pole. It were Polish peasants, who helped the Nazis. I don't say, ALL Poles were this way. There were (luckily) many, who hid Jews.
For the Ulma family in my TL the Event did happen a tad too late. But there are others, Schindler, Berthold Beitz, Chiune Sugihara or Albert Göring for example.
I did report you for this, as I think, that this is a great offense, as you say, the average German would have sent Jews to Auschwitz.
However, I have to add, that here some pseudo-arguments were given, which shall indicate, that there were only Poles, who helped them. But the Poles were not only innocent:
The Ulma family was denunciated by another Pole. It were Polish peasants, who helped the Nazis. I don't say, ALL Poles were this way. There were (luckily) many, who hid Jews.
For the Ulma family in my TL the Event did happen a tad too late. But there are others, Schindler, Berthold Beitz, Chiune Sugihara or Albert Göring for example.
I did report you for this, as I think, that this is a great offense, as you say, the average German would have sent Jews to Auschwitz.
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Hi folks,
good thing is, that the great RL problem I had has been solved mostly. So I will start writing new parts shortly.
@Interested Party : Is it allowed to make a statement to the infraction, how I do see it? Especially as I appealed against it and it isn't over yet. I don't want to attack you or another mod with this, to be clear.
good thing is, that the great RL problem I had has been solved mostly. So I will start writing new parts shortly.
@Interested Party : Is it allowed to make a statement to the infraction, how I do see it? Especially as I appealed against it and it isn't over yet. I don't want to attack you or another mod with this, to be clear.
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Contesting a Staff Action in the thread where that Staff action took place violates Rule 5: Don't Make It Harder For Us To Do Our Jobs. It would be instead recommended that if you have something you feel you need to say it should go into the Appeal or a thread in the Ask A Private Question subforum.
That will be all. Thank you.
That will be all. Thank you.
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Okay, thanks for the clarification.
OP, what happens to the Cossacks who fought against the Soviet Union ITTL?
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They are staying in Germany. I will post that laater in a sidestory.
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