- Location
- Hamburg, Germany
Hi folks,
I am defending my position.
At first, some of you tell me, that this story is "ahistorical", "white-washing" and "no ambiguity". That I am saying, only the top members were Nazis and the others not. So I understand you.
I will start with the very beginning. Germany as of 2014 is sent 70 years ago. My topic is, what a modern nation would do in such a situation. The situation for Germany in this moment is dark. At first, Germany has to deal with the Nazi government. I think, most have seen this. But to say, this is everything, is wrong. The TTL Nuremberg tribunals could not be posted, as they are too far away. However, I am well aware, that there are much more Nazis than the top level Nazis, who are in my TL dead or captured and awaiting trial. But there were more, of course. Much more.
According to OTL procedures I had introduced this system:
Merkels Operation Walküre Timeline - Post-1900 - Supernatural
Prologue Skippy, the ASB is bored. Every ISOT she does ends in a wank. Well, she could ISOT...forums.sufficientvelocity.com
There are 5 "ranks" of guilt within this system, from the top Nazi to the persons without any guilt. My own great grandfather had smuggled Jews out of Hamburg, but finally had to stop, because of a Nazi neighbour became witness of him hearing BBC. Then he stopped and had to enter the "party". Again, this system is a slightly modified copy of the existing system the US and UK introduced after 1945.
Also I am well aware, that there were about 100 k people, who had served in the KZs and other units (Einsatzgruppen for example). They were imprisoned, if one could proof a murder by them directly, meaning one could proof a case of killing someone. They will be treated as murderers according to German penal law. The others were sent to a penal army to hold Minsk:
Merkels Operation Walküre Timeline - Post-1900 - Supernatural
Prologue Skippy, the ASB is bored. Every ISOT she does ends in a wank. Well, she could ISOT...
Many of them died there.
Of course, in a perfect world each Nazi could be tried according to the guilt they had. But that isn't possible here (and wasn't possible OTL as well). It's simply no perfect world.
So what about the non-nazi people helping the regime in a leading function? Here the German government could do, what many would do: Fire them. But here I have to quote Konrad Adenauer, CDU, first Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, when asked, if Hitler's generals were also the new Bundeswehr generals. He just answered, he didn't believe the Allies would accept 18 years old generals. We have to think about the situation then. Was it wrong to use then (and here) these people? Morally yes. But there was no alternative, as you had otherwise great parts of the population not integrated and thus a source of unrest. Integrating them means avoiding unrest and binding them. Here this is even more important, as the DT forces are needed as well. Keeping the chain of command was needed and keeping high generals as leaders as well.
As you see, this isn't ahistorical as well, as this was the way done after 1945. Indeed this system started already before 1949 under the command of the Allies.
As for Japan: Japan was never a monolith. By 1944 Tojo had no future and the army as state leader was in no way undisputed. The army, btw, had only taken control after the 1929 crisis. Only then the ultra-nationalism took place, including all war crimes. Which are only the guilt of the Japanese, to be clear. In 1944 the loss of the war was evident, but it lasted slightly over a year, until the Japanese surrendered. Ironically the war could have been over before, as the only condition, keeping the Tenno, was accepted by MacArthur. Regardless, by 1944 there was already a split within the government of Japan. So the peace fraction could prevail earlier, especially IF they had a working alternative. That's Germany here. UT Germany.
Merkels Operation Walküre Timeline - Post-1900 - Supernatural and the following.
This can only be a SHORT answer to the critic above. I could go on.
If you want me to elaborate it further, tell me. Thanks in advance.
Tyr
This is, what I wrote.
