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IIRC, downtime leaders have already agreed to accept Articles 1 to 20 of the uptime constitution as it stands. The remaining articles are up for debate and amendment, after the war.
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IIRC, downtime leaders have already agreed to accept Articles 1 to 20 of the uptime constitution as it stands. The remaining articles are up for debate and amendment, after the war.
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Indeed. A new draft proposal is already being made. However, a new national assembly won't constitute before war is over. Then DT and UT politicians and lawyers are coming together. As it stands there won't be many great changes. There is only ONE big change proposed, but that will very likely have no chance in the needed referendum.
Which is that? The ban on offensive wars or something?
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I won't comment that. I will one day post the result, and then it is.
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Far more likely are that the following are changed to a larger or to a smaller Degree:
§ 23 Europa-Artikle (EU)
§ 26 ban on offensiv wars
§ 29 borders of the German States
§ 102 Deathpenalty
§ 104 to 115 about Finanzes (afterall UT Germany is deeply in debt)
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I don't know when the French will realize "yeah, we should focuse manpower to keep our shit in Africa".
Seriously, they have near 100% to keep some of their shares in Africa with, you know, THE GERMAN helps. Some of which had majority of French speaking and French culture.
I can't comment about the British, I think they're lost hope in world major power. But France can become major players again which reform here, reform there, help from, you know which, THE GERMAN.
Seriously, they have near 100% to keep some of their shares in Africa with, you know, THE GERMAN helps. Some of which had majority of French speaking and French culture.
I can't comment about the British, I think they're lost hope in world major power. But France can become major players again which reform here, reform there, help from, you know which, THE GERMAN.
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Strangely enough, I can see the Germans actually helping the French reestablish Francafrique ITTL. If only to avoid the problems caused by immediately granting independence to former colonies, who have no experience in government, no background in nation-building, and no tradition in democracy. And since France already has the organizational and cultural framework in Africa, they're a logical choice as Europe's front man in Africa.
Plus, from what I know at the time the integration of the local subjects as equal citizens was actually pretty good in at least parts of French North Africa.
I just hope France has few sane people who lead the country. Like the ambassador said to Chiang "Just take Hongkong, we don't give a damn about enemy territory." If after peace conference, France just trying to do everything hostile toward Germany again. Big blue France will always be a dream.
There has to someone who saw the usefulness to become Germany's friend right? I really hope there's someone.
There has to someone who saw the usefulness to become Germany's friend right? I really hope there's someone.
Indochina is lost hope, literally lost to Japanese. But Algeria, I still can't believe they lost IOTL. I believe which reform and more civil rights, and technology help they might keep it.
Indochina is a sinking money, that France was to prideful to acknowledge. Also at a Vietnamese, it's my right to protest anything wrong about Vietnam for the glorious communist party of Vietnam (this is a joke please laugh or I will cry).
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And your doubts are, yet again, completely illogical and without any basis in fact. Again, these are official government documents that were used for internal bureaucratic decision-making and never intended to be publicized. And unlike your "doubts" they actually conform to the known demographic data. There is no indication whatsoever that the archive records are lying, and no reason for them to lie that holds up to a dispassionate, logical analysis. Trying to dismiss fact-based arguments that debunk your notions as "many left-leaning persons trying to whitewash and glorify communism" is both worthless as an argument and an extremely dishonest poisoning the well fallacy.
So, let me ask this again: If the documents are all lying and there were millions of deaths more, where the hell did all these millions of extra Russians come from that are needed for post-war population figures to make sense? Did they all magically pop out of thin air? Really, I am rather curious as to what your explanation here is, or wether you even have one.
the problem is that in totalitarian governments the roles can be modified and that is why many people distrust their documents, in addition to a lot of American propaganda that tells us that the communists tell lies.
after the peace treaty made by Germany and the Soviet Union, which passed with the German soldiers who fought for Stalin.
after the peace treaty made by Germany and the Soviet Union, which passed with the German soldiers who fought for Stalin.
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In the peace treaty there is the clause, that soldiers, who had fought on the other side, are pardoned. They (and their relatives) may no be persecuted. As I already said, many distrust Stalin and stay in Germany, much more than Germans, who fought for Stalin. Indeed Stalin honors this clause- at least for now...
Having said this, I can't believe these sources completely. And there are more factors, why I say so. One is, that also internal papers may be wrong, partly because of the fear, it becomes public someday, partly because of the fear, one can get trouble (so instead of sending 10.000 have died because of famine, there are only 4.000), partly because the sheer number of victims made it impossible to count. Relying on ONE source is always wrong.
Having said this, I can't believe these sources completely. And there are more factors, why I say so. One is, that also internal papers may be wrong, partly because of the fear, it becomes public someday, partly because of the fear, one can get trouble (so instead of sending 10.000 have died because of famine, there are only 4.000), partly because the sheer number of victims made it impossible to count. Relying on ONE source is always wrong.
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There's also this:
That battle royal island was in 1933, really long ago. And in Stalin interview and his speech in Berlin, he kind of admits some of them was his false but most from his lackeys. That's the nail in the coffin in everything bads about him, "that's my false but my subordinates also misses understood me and do it bad".
It's a really good political move, and you know what's worse. His new policy in financial and new building infrastructures, factories will keep him and Soviet in power a really really long time. That's will definitely bite Germany in the arse in next two decades.
It's a really good political move, and you know what's worse. His new policy in financial and new building infrastructures, factories will keep him and Soviet in power a really really long time. That's will definitely bite Germany in the arse in next two decades.
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De Gaulle will probably still be opposed to Germany. Petain not so much, and seeing as Germany won't be asking for Briey-Longwy, will be holding a referendum on the future of Elsass-Lothringen (most of which will probably vote to stay with Germany minus some Francophone areas in Alsace), paying reparations for the Third Reich's aggression and war crimes, and trials for war criminals, he can finally get a satisfactory peace treaty followed by 21st Century goodies by trade soon after.
Considering how Petain still has plenty of sympathy today and even immediately after WWII despite being Vichy's leader, I think he can hold France together long enough for it to get back on its feet.
Though this makes me wonder: Vichy France will almost certain transition back to democracy seeing as Germany is also a democratic nation, but will they simply restore the old Third Republic albeit rebranded as a Fourth Republic? Or will TTL's Fourth Republic adopt the OTL Fifth Republic's constitution? Or some fusion of both?
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Yeah, I'm doubt it. Most German had been "relocated" to new Germany border in 1920. And I don't think Federal Republic of Germany will reassure that sensitive subject in peace treaty.
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No, the French didn't do that.
To supply you with the numbers from Wikipedia:
Elsass-Lothringen(1871-1919): the Population in 1900 is About 1.7 Million (87% German, 12% French, 1% Italian)
and These Numbers are the result of almost 70 Years of the French Language Policy of "there are no Dialekts":
Alsace 1997 (without Lothringen): About 63%(of the total Population) Speakers of Alsatian (Alsace-German)
Alsace 2001 (without Lothringen): About 61% Speakers of Alsatian
Alsace 2013 (without Lothringen): About 43% Speakers of Alsatian
Language policy in France - Wikipedia
Lorraine Franconian - Wikipedia
Alsatian dialect - Wikipedia
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Oh, the people living in the Alsace know now, they had tough times in France after ww2. And Mr. de Gaulle is not really a forgiving man, at least now.
Indeed until about 1960 both countries remained enemies. Only the pressure from the superpowers, especially USSR, but to a degree also USA, forced them together. So for example France tried to torpedo the German position in the Saar referendum and Germany supported Algerian freedom fighters (or terrorists, from another point of view). In 1963 the friendship was sealed. That didn't stop Mitterand later to try to torpedo German reunification...
Indeed until about 1960 both countries remained enemies. Only the pressure from the superpowers, especially USSR, but to a degree also USA, forced them together. So for example France tried to torpedo the German position in the Saar referendum and Germany supported Algerian freedom fighters (or terrorists, from another point of view). In 1963 the friendship was sealed. That didn't stop Mitterand later to try to torpedo German reunification...
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Or a certain crazy old lady with a bunch of maps who made everyone laugh
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Or a certain crazy old lady with a bunch of maps who made everyone laugh
Do you mean the Lady, who was "celebrated" 2013 with the song: Ding Dong, the witch is dead?
Anyway, she tried indeed everything to torpedo the reunification. At the day before signing the 2+4 treaty, German foreign minister Genscher went to Secretary of State baker, who was already wearing his pyjamas. He told Baker, the British would insist on their right to conduct manoeuvres in the former GDR! Baker asked, if that was a kind of joke, which Genscher denied. Then Baker told him to go to sleep. The very next morning the British didn't insist on that.
Or a certain crazy old lady with a bunch of maps who made everyone laugh
What maps exactly?
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