Merkels Operation Walküre

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About China - Germany created pilot school for China,delivered planes/Hs123 and others/ and weapons for elite Czang units.Which was mostly not used against Japan,becouse Chang wisely keep them for finishing Mao.Which he almost did - but must stopped offensive,when USA wonted it.If future germans show that to him,he would agree to peace.
 
They already did. Jiang found out that the USA would abandon him and China to Mao once Japan had been krumped, and then once Jiang escaped to Taiwan, essentially forced him to choose with being an American puppet or let Mao roll Taiwan as well.

As Germany seems to have succeeded in pressuring Japan to at least consider a status quo ante bellum peace with special arrangements to be made for Manchuria, Jiang is also willing to talk if only to get the chance to take a figurative breath, and then krump Mao. And here's to hoping he succeeds: when the son of a bitch (Mao) racks up a bigger body count than Stalin or possibly even Hitler, it makes you go WTF.
 
Well, the body count of the most evil tyrants (in millions, estimations):

3. Adolf Hitler: 6,5-7 (Holocaust only)

2. Lenin/Stalin: 20 (shootings, purges, deportations and so on only)

1. Mao: 65

And especially mentioning Pol Pot for killing 2 millions, 25% of the population


May they all burn in hell!
 
In a PM debate @Lord Okkirke asked me, what happened to the Italian carrier Sparviero. She had been captured intact by the Germans. As I had made the Aquila to a Midway class battle carrier (as I did with the Graf Zeppelin), I thought it was too much, to do so with the Sparviero. However, I took a second look on her. She was to carry only 25-34 planes and with only 20 kn at best she was an auxiliar carrier. My sources said, she was still not finished and only the superstructure had been removed. The English wiki site says in contrast, that she was nearly finished. Because of that I am not so sure, if my first thought, to leave her as she was, was right. So what would you think? Shall I

1. let her remain in the state as she is, just another hulk?
2. let her be completed as planned, meaning a Sparviero class carrier?
3. OR replace her with a third Midway class carrier, the Graf Zeppelin?

Damnit I was a bit late. Will still put my 2p.

I had two ideas in mind:

(1) The abysmally low 20 knot speed will relegate it to being an escort/auxiliary carrier (as you mentioned above). It could be converted to an amphibious assault ship and sold to a friendly/neutral country (with the buying country paying for everything).
Spain, Japan (doubtful since too far), Italy (once it is made whole), Finland (?), Turkey could be possible customers.

(2) Convert it to a cargo liner, simple as that and put it into the German merchant fleet.
 
As Germany seems to have succeeded in pressuring Japan to at least consider a status quo ante bellum peace with special arrangements to be made for Manchuria, Jiang is also willing to talk if only to get the chance to take a figurative breath, and then krump Mao. And here's to hoping he succeeds: when the son of a bitch (Mao) racks up a bigger body count than Stalin or possibly even Hitler, it makes you go WTF.
While Berlin will have put some pressure on Tokyo, it doubt it was all that much for several reasons:
- This Japan has seen the coming abyss and wants a way out, if a compromise with China helps so be it
- Suzuki, who for now heads Japan´s government, is military himself and can estimate the war situation. While Japan has the China front under control, it binds a majority of the IJA, who could bolster important positions against th Wallies elsewhere. For retreating from China after the war (and freeing up quite a bit of the Japanese Forces in the meantime), Chiang will have to pay and compromise too.
- This point has relation to the former. Japan´s expansion is fueled for an important part by production potential (e.g. most of Manchukuo´s comparatively high industrialisation effort was pushed by the Japanese) and especially the hunger for raw materials and a secure supply of them. If these goals are met, the war was a success, so trade and delivery of raw materials to the Home Islands will be major points of the peace treaty. The biggest stickling point will be how the treaty with China is worded, so both can claim victory and save face.
From a western perspective personally I would like to read that fictive document for the curiosity factor alone how they solved the saving face problems. In OTL hosting the 2002 WC involved major haggling and deftly wording of anything between Japan and Korea and this was decades after the War. Here we have two nations in a brutal conflict with many actors taking the "heavenly mandate","Samurai honor"and "saving Face" deadly serious. That would be an epic read as far as legal texts go.
- The Japanese leadership knows how the OTL war went on. Here in Walküre-TL, the war situation of Japan stabilises and improves, which gives them more room and freedom of actions, on the homefront as well. As far as the mainland China expansions except Manchukuo are concerned, only a deluded tiny minority in Tokyo believed the Chinese there would become "good, little Japanese" anytime soon. Getting that iron ball from the legs, while securing supply of important materials is a trade most in Tokyo will sign easily, as long as they can sell it as a victory. Which it actually is after a fashion.
- If Germany and Japan emerge from the War halfway intact, Japan knows that the Deutsches Heer and the Nippon Teikoku Rikugun will be major power factors and both nations entities of great importance on the world stage. So making sure the alliance goes on and gets deeper, is important for both. A give and take approach will be the norm.
- While there will be some grumbling from the hardcore factions, I think most of Walküre-Japan will take a stance of "Shoganai to ganbatte" loosly translated as "Shit happens, we deal with it and move forward (elsewhere)".
 
Well, the body count of the most evil tyrants (in millions, estimations):

3. Adolf Hitler: 6,5-7 (Holocaust only)

2. Lenin/Stalin: 20 (shootings, purges, deportations and so on only)

1. Mao: 65

And especially mentioning Pol Pot for killing 2 millions, 25% of the population


May they all burn in hell!

Yeah... those are literal Cold War and Nazi propaganda figures. The Black Book of Communism is full of shit. So full of shit even a decent number of its own contributors came out against it for consistently distorting the figures once they actually got to see the full thing. And that's before we even get into the sheer absurdity of trying to make the claims of it and the soviet death toll of WW2 simultaneously fit into the post-war demographics of the USSR without twisting everything into pretzels. (And of course, the entire methodology is also stupendously hypocritical and nonsensical to begin with - applying the exact same standards, post-independence democratic, capitalist India would beat "communism" in excess mortality, all by itself.)
 
Well, the body count of the most evil tyrants (in millions, estimations):

3. Adolf Hitler: 6,5-7 (Holocaust only)

2. Lenin/Stalin: 20 (shootings, purges, deportations and so on only)

1. Mao: 65

And especially mentioning Pol Pot for killing 2 millions, 25% of the population
Comparing the total body counts of everything Stalin and Mao have done, with one half of one of Hitler's plots (the 6 million number is the number of jews killed, about the same number of non-jews were killed in the holocaust) is very dishonest.

applying the exact same standards, post-independence democratic, capitalist India would beat "communism" in excess mortality, all by itself.)
I know India has had issues, but what happened there that caused several tens of millions of deaths? 0_0
 
To put those numbers into perspektiv:
Hitler killed those 6,5-7 Mio in the Time from 1942 to 1945 (approx. 2,33Mio per annum)
Stalin killed those 20 Mio in the Time from 1927 to 1953 (approx. 0,77Mio per annum)
Mao killed those 65 Mio in the Time from 1950 to 1976 (approx. 2,5Mio per annum) and a large part of those death were due to a Famine
 
Hitler started already in 1939, albeit in lower numbers. So it's likely more about 1 per annum. "Only". Stalin's figures include also Lenin's as I couldn't distinguish between them. And famine all three used as weapon.
 
I was useing the Wansee Conferenz(this is were "the final solution to the Jewisch Problem" was decided) as the start date of the Holocaust and the date that Nazi Germany started killing People in an industial Fashion.
 
Why are we even only counting the holocaust (and only the Jewish victims of the Holocaust) for Germany, while with Stalin and Mao we lump all their atrocities together?
 
To put those numbers into perspektiv:
Hitler killed those 6,5-7 Mio in the Time from 1942 to 1945 (approx. 2,33Mio per annum)
Stalin killed those 20 Mio in the Time from 1927 to 1953 (approx. 0,77Mio per annum)
Mao killed those 65 Mio in the Time from 1950 to 1976 (approx. 2,5Mio per annum) and a large part of those death were due to a Famine

The "20 million" that gets repeated over and over again is as @Magni says wrong and based on incomplete and/or faulty assumptions from before the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Access to post-Soviet archives has allowed more more exact estimations. According to wiki:

Article:
Prior to the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the archival revelations, some historians estimated that the numbers killed by Stalin's regime were 20 million or higher.[4][5][6] After the USSR dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives also became available, containing official records of 799,455 executions (1921–1953),[7] around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag[8][9] some 390,000[10] deaths during the dekulakization forced resettlement and up to 400,000 deaths of persons deported during the 1940s[11] – with a total of about 3.3 million officially recorded victims in these categories.[12] The deaths of at least 5.5 to 6.5 million[13] persons in the famine of 1932–33 are sometimes, but not always,[2][14] included with the victims of the Stalin era.


The "65 million" figure about China is likewise overinflated.
 
He did mention 'official numbers' - all deaths not officially counted (or having happened) would not appear.
 
He did mention 'official numbers' - all deaths not officially counted (or having happened) would not appear.
Indeed.During "polish operation" in 1937https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=15&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjqxpOC9vLoAhXSFXcKHc5SC7gQFjAOegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Flink.springer.com%2Fchapter%2F10.1057%2F9780230523937_7&usg=AOvVaw2cgy9rw3Tj3fet2M2lIAfo

/ soviets oficially killed 111.000 executed Poles - but they do not count tortured to death,killed for defending churches and homes,died from famine or in Gulags. All in all,that could be 500.000 Poles killed by soviets before WW2
Althought as long as CZK was ruled by Dzierżyński,they murder usually mostly russian and let poles,even gentry,run
So,russians could accuse Poles for early stages of soviet terror.

There is good article about communism and numbers of victims - Philip Vander Elst | The Cobden Centre
Article - /The communist Holocaust and its lessons for the 21th century/

Of course,german genociders lied about numbers,too - oficially in Auschwitz they killed 200.000 people,when in reality it must be at least one million.
Apparently,all genociders for some reason lied about numbers of their victims. Strange.
 
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I don't trust the Communist papers. They lied too often and had too often wrong figures.

These "Communist papers" are internal documents that were never meant to be made public in the first place. Them being relatively accurate is a basic requirement for the soviet government to have functioned to any real degree. Given the USSR's government functioned well enough to win the largest land war in human history, there is very, very, very little room to doubt the accuracy of their internal statistics. Your "distrust" is both irrational and illogical.

And again, the 20 million figure literally doesn't work demographically unless you conjure up millions of extra Russians from thin air ca. 1945.
 
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I still have doubts in these papers as well. Many left-leaning persons try to whitewash the communism and glorify it. Communism is totalitarism as is Nazism.

Ironically Himmler said in 1940, the extermination is the Bolshevik way to get rid off a problem. Not the German one. One year later he followed this way. I don't want to relativate the Holocaust, as this was an industrial murder, which is unique. However, Communism killed as well. And also means like a famine are tools to kill the ones one doesn't want to have. So did Stalin, Mao and Hitler.

They are all mass murders, who should had been executed.
 
It seems,that i could not made link to Order 00485,but if you type that,you could read about polish genocide in soviet union.

About Dzierżyński and his schielding poles - there is good book of polish gentry Bogdan Jaxa-Roniker "Dzierżyński - czerwony kat,złote serce"/my translation - red hangman,golden heart/,who was soviet prisoner,Dzierżyński asked him to come and talk - and let him go to Poland.Maybe,becouse both was polish gentry.
He showed him as idealistic psychopat,who consider himself both polish patriot and communist.

About soviet records - there always was such numbers,as current regime needed.There is good soviet joke about that - in soviets there are 4 kind of steel:
1.excellent for army,NKWD,and party
2.good for manufacturies
3.shitty for cyvilians
4.those which exist only on paper.

But ,back to topic - main german problem is,that they are democratic state.Hitler was really popular,average germans usually do not cared about genocided jews and poles,- if they made free elections, NSDAP would get 20% or more votes.
How Merkel would deal with that ?
 
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Hitler NEVER had the majority in the Reichstag, he only formed a coalition with Hugenberg, who (rightfully) said the very next day, he had made the greatest error of his life. The only moment Hitler MIGHT haave gotten the majority was the moment, Paris had fallen and France had to surrender. I really wonder, what history would tell us, if he had died that moment.

But that aside, the NSDAP was feared, but no longer liked. Hitler was feared. In this moment, if the NSDAP could be elected, they would not pass the 5-%-hurdle.
 
Isn't the NSDAP banned by the German constitution?
"You must disband, you are unconstitutional!"
"We do not subscribe to your constitution for we did not sign it!"

Also, remember, lex prospicit non respicit - The law looks forward, not backward
Although does uptime Germany have the right to enforce laws on downtime Germans, considering uptime technically is forward for all intents of law?
 
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Also, remember, lex prospicit non respicit - The law looks forward, not backward
Although does uptime Germany have the right to enforce laws on downtime Germans, considering uptime technically is forward for all intents of law?
Don't laws usually have a date (ratification) from when they become effective?
 
The NSDAP is banned since October 1945. This preconstitutional law is still in force. The Sozialistische Reichspartei SRP, founded in 1949, was banned in 1952 by the German Federal Constitutional Court (Bundesverfassungsgericht, BVerfG). Here the NSDAP was banned because of enforcing the Law No. 2 of the Allied Control Council, which was activated for DT Germans as of May 31st, 1944. The NSDAP could have argued against it, and indeed there was such an action at the BVerfG, which was not accepted by the court. The reason was, that indeed new parties could not be banned this way, but the Law No. 2 is preconstitutional law and can't be reasoned, if it's only working for a preconstitutional case. That decision was highly discussed.

Anyway, laws can be enforced for also for times before they became effective, albeit only, if there there could be no trust in the existing laws, as such a change of the rules was awaited, rules clarified or the necessity of the public welfare demanded it. If the situation the change is newly ruling has not yet ended, such a ruling is possible, except the persons could trust in the former ruling or their interest overweighs the interest of the state.
 
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