Magical Girl Quest - The Fire That Burns

Thank goodness the vote was not yet called... let me take out the part about Ignition Aura very quickly.
I just realised that if this particular roll goes bad, Cerys might incapacitate herself and render the more important part with Regeneration moot.

Plus, it is connected directly to Cerys' soul... and I do not want to mess around with that before we had another level up on Magic Control.



We already have alpha-strikes, though. Alpha and Omega shines when something comes that takes all of our other damage as if it was nothing. It is made to destroy tanks.
Plus, the growth might increase later on... and even if not, it would still start out at ~2.4mil damage on level 50, doubling that number each turn.




All that said, I really can not work with this kind of hint.
@Sinarblood, any ideas?

Sigh....

Alright.
 
We already have alpha-strikes, though. Alpha and Omega shines when something comes that takes all of our other damage as if it was nothing. It is made to destroy tanks.
Plus, the growth might increase later on... and even if not, it would still start out at ~2.4mil damage on level 50, doubling that number each turn.
@Sinarblood, any ideas?
i love it for its spell defense more than for the offense it brings.
 
We already have alpha-strikes, though. Alpha and Omega shines when something comes that takes all of our other damage as if it was nothing. It is made to destroy tanks.
Plus, the growth might increase later on... and even if not, it would still start out at ~2.4mil damage on level 50, doubling that number each turn.
Everything is extreme at level 50 (except armored soul), infinity edge deals ~21mil per attack with 12 attacks and Ignition aura deals 360 million damage.
I'm not saying it's useless but it it's but (Awesome ability)*(terrible synergy)=Mediocre.
The best part of it is Hungering Void which gives us much needed defense. If we are researching it we should look for more like that.

One idea for why we got it is if Daiyu has a complementary super ability.
Something that drags out the fight for long enough for the aura to take effect.
 
Thank goodness the vote was not yet called... let me take out the part about Ignition Aura very quickly.
I just realised that if this particular roll goes bad, Cerys might incapacitate herself and render the more important part with Regeneration moot.
You can train abilities (Ignition Aura etc) without risk, so long as it's not trying anything dangerous, and I will warn you if you are.
Adhoc vote count started by Rukia on Sep 22, 2017 at 2:43 PM, finished with 5054 posts and 5 votes.

  • [X] Tuesday: Work on improving your armour; see if you can implement other materials (ask for samples if it works), try to strengthen it with magic or any other way that comes to mind
    -[X] Ask Daiyu to let you examine her armour; maybe you can get an idea from hers... and apologise for not having any time for her today, you really want to get this done
    -[X] Once you are done for the day, have a talk with Morgan about recent events
    [X] Wednesday: Work on magic with Daiyu
    -[X] Try to explain that she can make her magic make most things work if they fit her concept; if there is anything she thinks could be useful, she should try to get it
    --[X] Provide her with targets made of ice
    -[X] Make an attempt for another spell to attack on range without thermal-based damage; preferably something corroding
    -[X] Later on, go ask Morgan how things are about that farm she mentioned, where you can try out healing
    [X] Thursday: More Magic and Magic Control
    -[X] If you were not yet to that farm to test Regeneration on others, go today and take Daiyu along to try as well
    --[X] Work on Ignition Aura during your off-time; it does have protective properties, so maybe you can increase them?
    -[X] Once you are back, go over to practicing Magic Control together
    [X] Friday: Sparring and other practice
    -[X] Spar with Daiyu some more, but keep Reinforcement active this time
    -[X] Afterwards, go over to experimenting with your weapons; you found quite a few neat things you can do with Infinity Edge after all... so maybe there are some functions hidden in her own weapon and shield as well
    --[X] Go about creating several swords at once and train doing so quickly (Training for Limitless)
    --[X] You can make the blades float; do this again and improve your precision when moving them (Training for Levitate?)
    --[X] Try channeling your auras through Infinity Edge... but stop immediately if it starts to hurt
    [X] EXP Plan Buff
    -[X] Knight's Aria (300 EXP)

Adhoc vote count started by Rukia on Sep 22, 2017 at 2:45 PM, finished with 5055 posts and 5 votes.

  • [X] Tuesday: Work on improving your armour; see if you can implement other materials (ask for samples if it works), try to strengthen it with magic or any other way that comes to mind
    -[X] Ask Daiyu to let you examine her armour; maybe you can get an idea from hers... and apologise for not having any time for her today, you really want to get this done
    -[X] Once you are done for the day, have a talk with Morgan about recent events
    [X] Wednesday: Work on magic with Daiyu
    -[X] Try to explain that she can make her magic make most things work if they fit her concept; if there is anything she thinks could be useful, she should try to get it
    --[X] Provide her with targets made of ice
    -[X] Make an attempt for another spell to attack on range without thermal-based damage; preferably something corroding
    -[X] Later on, go ask Morgan how things are about that farm she mentioned, where you can try out healing
    [X] Thursday: More Magic and Magic Control
    -[X] If you were not yet to that farm to test Regeneration on others, go today and take Daiyu along to try as well
    --[X] Work on Ignition Aura during your off-time; it does have protective properties, so maybe you can increase them?
    -[X] Once you are back, go over to practicing Magic Control together
    [X] Friday: Sparring and other practice
    -[X] Spar with Daiyu some more, but keep Reinforcement active this time
    -[X] Afterwards, go over to experimenting with your weapons; you found quite a few neat things you can do with Infinity Edge after all... so maybe there are some functions hidden in her own weapon and shield as well
    --[X] Go about creating several swords at once and train doing so quickly (Training for Limitless)
    --[X] You can make the blades float; do this again and improve your precision when moving them (Training for Levitate?)
    --[X] Try channeling your auras through Infinity Edge... but stop immediately if it starts to hurt
    [X] EXP Plan Buff
    -[X] Knight's Aria (300 EXP)
 
Yeah I was gonna argue against Ignition's removal, but I thought it wasn't worth it.

Thank you for the clarification.

You know, I still doubt anything good will come from it without a crit.
We are trying to do something new by squeezing in a few minutes of practice when we have nothing else to do, the DC will be pretty high.

It is back in, though. My main problem was the soul-thing; I am not going to take any risks in that regard after messing up the last time.
 
You know, I still doubt anything good will come from it without a crit.
We are trying to do something new by squeezing in a few minutes of practice when we have nothing else to do, the DC will be pretty high.

It is back in, though. My main problem was the soul-thing; I am not going to take any risks in that regard after messing up the last time.

I'm assuming we won't spend "a few minutes" working on it. That a day is more than just a couple of hours. We've got plenty of time in a day, and I don't think we'll spend anything more than a few hours working on healing animals. We have time in the day to work on it when we're not at the farm.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm kinda upset you removed Ignition without consulting me and telling me your worries.
 
I'm assuming we won't spend "a few minutes" working on it. That a day is more than just a couple of hours. We've got plenty of time in a day, and I don't think we'll spend anything more than a few hours working on healing animals. We have time in the day to work on it when we're not at the farm.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm kinda upset you removed Ignition without consulting me and telling me your worries.

After we are back from the farm, the rest of the day will be spent practicing Magic Control. There is little time left for Ignition Aura.

Besides, Rukia usually closes the votes far earlier than this. And... I am sorry to say that, but after I managed to almost kill Cerys with a badly-thought out plan just a few updates ago, I am not going to let anything possibly dangerous in there for any reason, unless it is put in there knowingly and with the agreement of the majority.

Additionally, I can not know when you are present and if you would be there in time to discuss things out before the vote closes.
 
Actually, does anyone know why Jet aircraft seem to have disappeared from the Counter Force?
They're still around, but they aren't particularly prevalent off of Earth due to logistical requirements, and the fact that they serve a role for which there is drastically less demand, and can usually be more effectively filled by other units. So the Counter Force still has them, they're just not on screen in CMGQ.
Maybe, but I don't think so.
There is a total of one Complete Aerial Denial Magic we know of right now, Sixth Heaven.
In Under the Open Sky, there was another aerial denial magic called "Grounding Stones". It's uncertain if it's canon as UtOS went off reservation quite awhile ago.
 
A hint: Did you ever wonder why an ability named Alpha and Omega, The Beginning and The End, can only end things?
I think... We destroy the original reality (End) and impose our own (Beginning) in its place.

You spend a while longer poking and prodding the barrier before you notice something. A feelings seems to be transmitted from the barrier to you at one side, you take a look over to find your sister lobbing little stones at the barrier, only to have them rapidly degrade into nothing on contact.

You carefully focused your attention to the heat in the area and just watched it. Predictably, your surroundings degraded as you expected. Somehow surprising you, you feel that the heat in the air is also slowly being... destroyed? You aren't quite sure how to describe what is happening to the heat inside your barrier, the temperature inside is dropping much faster than the temperature outside, even stranger is that the heat from the outside isn't reaching the edges of your barrier to try and equalise it.
Like a Reality Marble from Nasuverse.
 
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Idea

We destroy things

So they can be created a new

Sorta like what someone said with "circle of life", but perhaps a bit more...direct

I think the next step is to see if we can do anything with the degraded material left behind by our aura
 
All that said, I really can not work with this kind of hint.
@Sinarblood, any ideas?

Sorry was at work :V

Alpha and Omega can refer to god, yes, but in the context that he is infinite.

Therefore, Alpha and Omega only being related to the end makes no sense, and neither does the idea of our super ability relating to only one of our affinities.

However I dislike the idea of "the Beginning of the End" because it kind of seems to still focus to much on [End] as the concept behind it.

The flavor text puts Cerys as "The End of all things"

but I think what we should focus on is what happens when she ends something with A &O

Namely that it breaks down into magic she can use.

Right now it is basically at a level of a "mana-battery" that isn't all that useful to us because our fights haven't really lasted long enough for us to be out of mana that quickly anyway, and the large start up cost is noticeable. But that is only now.

I'd say Alpha and Omega is an ability that "Ends the old so that things Begin anew"

She Ends what is currently there to create a new beginning, using the mana generated from what once was to do so.

Hence Alpha and Omega, not one or the other. Beginning and End working in tandem.

Also fits neatly into my idea that Cerys method to permanently conjure things without them disappearing in time (not that we ever got around to conjuring more than flame and our armour and sword yet :V) would lie in mastering the infinity affinity, since that would mean that the "ultimate" form of Alpha and Omega is only obtainable once you actually get to the point of being able to pull off infinity based magic.

Right now we get temporary benefits (larger mana-pool) and we have reason to suspect other temporary benefits in the future:

Alpha and Omega's Mana Steal doesn't affect stats atm, whereas Blood Willow's Mana Steal does.
It's Lore right now, but that can be changed.


hinting that it is possible to get it to eventually affect our stats.

It might even be possible to make such changes permanent late game master of infinity wise.

But ultimately things like affecting stats only really scratches the surface of its utility.

Thinking of it with only the current offensive and defensive abilities in mind is doing it a great disservice. We just aren't really ready to bring out the full benefit of the ability.

It only end things right now because we aren't skilled enough to do anything else with it.


That is and was my current running theory on Alpha and Omega for a while now at least.

So basically what other people are saying but actually giving function to the mana generated :V
 
Currently A&O breaks done materials into magic. Doing it in reverse should allow us to make materials out of magic.
 
That sounds exceedingly dangerous to attempt. Like, manipulating concepts dangerous. Let's not even try until we actually have good magic control, ok?
 
So I went ahead and read through every passage talking about A&O.

Here are the facts:
  • Alpha and Omega is a phrase that is usually interpreted to mean that God is infinite (and eternal);
  • It is referred as a Barrier;
    • It gives off a feeling of safety.
  • It's shaped like a sphere;
    • Its center is somewhere in Cerys' chest;
      • It cannot be moved from there.
    • If Cerys moves, the Barrier follows her perfectly;
    • It can stretch in at least one direction up to five metres;
      • When it reaches the limit, it snap back (not recoil) toward Cerys.
    • Its shape can be changed.
  • It cast a strange hue on everything inside it;
  • It initially require massive amounts of magic to be casted;
    • After a while, it becomes self-sufficient.
  • The more the Barrier degrades Cerys' surroundings, the faster the magic is filtered to Cerys;
    • The magic seems to be appearing directly inside Cerys.
      • The filtered magic can exceed Cerys' normal maximum;
        • Its quantity doesn't interfere with Cerys' control of her magic.
      • The stream of filtered magic seems to break down when Cerys reaches for it beyond a certain point.
        • Cerys is unable to make sense of anything there.
  • The heat inside the Barrier is being destroyed;
    • The temperature inside the Barrier is dropping;
    • The heat from the outside of the Barrier isn't reaching the edges of the Barrier to try and equalise it.
  • The air inside the Barrier is being destroyed;
    • More air moves toward the Barrier as the air inside it degrades.
  • The Barrier cannot degrade anything from Cerys' body unless it's foreign;
    • The Barrier doesn't distinguish Cerys' own magic outside her body.
  • Even if the Barrier is under Cerys' skin, it will eventually somehow gather energy.

Unconfirmed:
  • Cerys can locate anything that intrude inside her Barrier;
  • It can deflect bolts of lightning.
 
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Perhaps even though it degrades other dimensions, we don't get the mana from them right away?

Like the borders between the dimensions have to degrade a certain amount before we get any mana from it.

Hence why it takes a while before gathering energy if under Cerys' skin. Doesn't effect her, but effects her location in other dimensions, and takes a while before they break down enough for energy from them to trickle into ours.

edit: changed "alternate realities" to in the first sentence to "other dimensions"
 
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you know, I wonder if Alpha and Omaga is damaging the barrier, it can be seen from outside our dimension so it likely bleeds into interdimensional space.
 
Perhaps even though it degrades other dimensions, we don't get the mana from them right away?

Like the borders between the dimensions have to degrade a certain amount before we get any mana from it.

Hence why it takes a while before gathering energy if under Cerys' skin. Doesn't effect her, but effects her location in other dimensions, and takes a while before they break down enough for energy from them to trickle into ours.

edit: changed "alternate realities" to in the first sentence to "other dimensions"
Yeah, that was also my guess.

I also doubt our ability can degrade the Barrier protecting our dimension. Gaia isn't that much of an idiot.
 
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