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@Silently Watches Can Tim make mutagens for animals, too? I'm sure he would prefer to start with animal testing before giving a mutagen to any humans, and there are all sorts of fun creatures from fantasy and sci-fi he could make. The first to come to mind would be a pseudo-dragon similar to Kitty Pride's pet, Lockheed (comics) - Wikipedia

Of course, the immediate follow up question is whether an artificial animal like that would be a viable Guardian Beast. That's not where I want to take the idea, mind you. That's just the obvious next question, because somebody else would ask it if I didn't first.
 
Wyrd said:
Of course, the immediate follow up question is whether an artificial animal like that would be a viable Guardian Beast. That's not where I want to take the idea, mind you. That's just the obvious next question, because somebody else would ask it if I didn't first.
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I'd've probably asked it, not gonna lie. Still, though, it's a solid train of thought - designer pets would make an absolute killing, even if they can't be turned into magical superheroes.
 
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@Silently Watches Can Tim make mutagens for animals, too? I'm sure he would prefer to start with animal testing before giving a mutagen to any humans, and there are all sorts of fun creatures from fantasy and sci-fi he could make. The first to come to mind would be a pseudo-dragon similar to Kitty Pride's pet, Lockheed (comics) - Wikipedia
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Absolutely. If you look back at the vote in 11.17, "Experiment with Mutagenics" would have involved animal testing. I even had the perfect idea for the first product of the Linker Core Mutagen. :D
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Of course, the immediate follow up question is whether an artificial animal like that would be a viable Guardian Beast. That's not where I want to take the idea, mind you. That's just the obvious next question, because somebody else would ask it if I didn't first.
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They would be viable candidates for the Guardian Beast ritual. Obviously, the rules about uplifting alien pets with their own Linker Cores would still be in effect.
 
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Absolutely. If you look back at the vote in 11.17, "Experiment with Mutagenics" would have involved animal testing. I even had the perfect idea for the first product of the Linker Core Mutagen. :D

They would be viable candidates for the Guardian Beast ritual. Obviously, the rules about uplifting alien pets with their own Linker Cores would still be in effect.
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Yay, people talking. I get bored and lonely without it, but fear joining another quest as I get addicted to forums so easily.

That said, experimentation should definitely be on Tim's build list. There's just so many things to put on that list. For example:

5 Devices so we can make the next Template mage
A telepathic prosthetic eye for Alexandria. Let's social her up a bit more =P
Greyboy bubble pooper-err, popper. The typo was too amusing to edit out.

... I know I had several other things I was vacillating over what priority to assign them, but they're not coming to mind at the moment.
 
At anyrate, after the Endbringer fight arc I'd really like us to finally get moving on trying to gain more mages and more social support structure for Taylor and co. because Taylor should branch out more and get working on rebuilding her social trust that was damaged by Emma's betrayal.

Potentially having more chance of having mage candidates is a bonus.

Talking to the Guild to try to see about getting Canadian mage corps up and running as well is also a good idea. While Canada and the US is cooperating significantly I'm uncomfortable with letting the US be the center of magic.

Having more trustworthy template mages is also a very good thing if we want to create a strike team of mages that can fight alongside Taylor to put down S class threats as well as targets worthy of going after like Heartbreaker. Because with Taylor and co.'s immunity to master effects and the ability for en masse non-lethal takedowns, hitting Heartbreaker and the like are perfectly viable if we have the manpower to do so.

Edit: Also, I'm interested in looking into that cape that Lacey and Samantha ran into.
 
aceraptor said:
Having more trustworthy template mages is also a very good thing if we want to create a strike team of mages that can fight alongside Taylor to put down S class threats as well as targets worthy of going after like Heartbreaker. Because with Taylor and co.'s immunity to master effects and the ability for en masse non-lethal takedowns, hitting Heartbreaker and the like are perfectly viable if we have the manpower to do so.
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The problem with going after Heartbreaker is that his master effects are permanent, and we don't know if we are at all capable of breaking that control. The reason he is alive and free despite how dangerous he is is that he has given his 'harem' orders to carry out if anything happens to him, and there's no telling how many people he has mastered and then let roam free just for that deterrence factor. In his favor is that, unlike Killgrave from Marvel, he manipulates emotions to make them want to do what he says; it's still hideously unethical, a true abomination, but it beats the serial rape Killgrave was known for. Not by a heck of a lot, mind you, as without the ability to say no you can't say yes, but it is still a lesser form of torture.

If not for that, and the fact that he has contented himself to only a relatively small number of victims, his head would have appeared ever so briefly in a sniper's scope. That, and the number of parahuman children he churns out likely meant that Cauldron was actively opposing attempts to take him down.
 
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The problem with going after Heartbreaker is that his master effects are permanent, and we don't know if we are at all capable of breaking that control. The reason he is alive and free despite how dangerous he is is that he has given his 'harem' orders to carry out if anything happens to him, and there's no telling how many people he has mastered and then let roam free just for that deterrence factor. In his favor is that, unlike Killgrave from Marvel, he manipulates emotions to make them want to do what he says; it's still hideously unethical, a true abomination, but it beats the serial rape Killgrave was known for. Not by a heck of a lot, mind you, as without the ability to say no you can't say yes, but it is still a lesser form of torture.

If not for that, and the fact that he has contented himself to only a relatively small number of victims, his head would have appeared ever so briefly in a sniper's scope. That, and the number of parahuman children he churns out likely meant that Cauldron was actively opposing attempts to take him down.
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He still needs to die sooner or later and damn the costs. If there's no way to save his victims then the only consideration is how to minimize the damage caused by eliminating him as well as weighing future damage he can cause by staying alive. The parahuman children he creates, all some flavor of Masters IIRC. Cauldron is no longer a factor. Removing him from the genepool is a net positive for this world. Especially as the side of law and order gains power. The very fact that he produces damaged, maladjusted children whom have high likelihood of being extremely damaging to society due to their powers and upbringing just makes eliminating Heartbreaker a necessity.

It'll also drive in the fact that one's power will no longer shield him or her from the consequences of his or her actions. Elimination of Heartbreaker (who's quite infamous) can serve as the signal and statement to higher powered villains that the rules have changed.

And going back to the victims, given the emotional control, psychological therapy aided by LSD or other psychoactive drug to muddle his control might be able to help his victims.
 
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aceraptor said:
He still needs to die sooner or later and damn the costs. If there's no way to save his victims then the only consideration is how to minimize the damage caused by eliminating him as well as weighing future damage he can cause by staying alive. The parahuman children he creates, all some flavor of Masters IIRC. Cauldron is no longer a factor. Removing him from the genepool is a net positive for this world. Especially as the side of law and order gains power. The very fact that he produces damaged, maladjusted children whom have high likelihood of being extremely damaging to society due to their powers and upbringing just makes eliminating Heartbreaker a necessity.

It'll also drive in the fact that one's power will no longer shield him or her from the consequences of his or her actions. Elimination of Heartbreaker (who's quite infamous) can serve as the signal and statement to higher powered villains that the rules have changed.

And going back to the victims, given the emotional control, psychological therapy aided by LSD or other psychoactive drug to muddle his control might be able to help his victims.
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We could just vanish Heartbreaker while keeping him alive, possibly inserting a GB of the Mask in his place to not trigger any alarm, until we know who he's targeted and how to disarm them.
 
aceraptor said:
He still needs to die sooner or later and damn the costs. If there's no way to save his victims then the only consideration is how to minimize the damage caused by eliminating him as well as weighing future damage he can cause by staying alive. The parahuman children he creates, all some flavor of Masters IIRC. Cauldron is no longer a factor. Removing him from the genepool is a net positive for this world. Especially as the side of law and order gains power. The very fact that he produces damaged, maladjusted children whom have high likelihood of being extremely damaging to society due to their powers and upbringing just makes eliminating Heartbreaker a necessity.

It'll also drive in the fact that one's power will no longer shield him or her from the consequences of his or her actions. Elimination of Heartbreaker (who's quite infamous) can serve as the signal and statement to higher powered villains that the rules have changed.

And going back to the victims, given the emotional control, psychological therapy aided by LSD or other psychoactive drug to muddle his control might be able to help his victims.
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Cauldron not being a concern now means relatively little. It is Scion not being a concern that means the people in the know will be more likely to pursue the worst cases first. Don't discount the potential that the Heartbroken(his kids) could have had, as it was essentially the same kind of power that defeated Scion, in the form of Khepri linking the minds of every remaining Tinker and Thinker. I agree that taking him out would be high on my list, but I haven't lived in a world where the Simurgh does the same thing to thousands of people every year, people who are either locked up indefinitely or killed. Heartbreaker isn't going out and setting off a bunch of living bombs, but nobody knows how many bombs he has already created, walking around with no evidence that he ever touched them before the conditions he set happens.

We still have two Endbringers to deal with before that full push can happen without backlash in the form of villains not showing up to Endbringer fights. Right now, we still need the Jotunn's of the world. In roughly 8 months, though, that may no longer be an issue. In the mean time, any S class threats moved against will have to be carefully weighed and balanced.

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We could just vanish Heartbreaker while keeping him alive, possibly inserting a GB of the Mask in his place to not trigger any alarm, until we know who he's targeted and how to disarm them.
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The Simurgh creates her master effect by inducing hallucinations until the victim's mind forms a permanent link between a certain set of conditions and a certain kind of behaviour to happen when those conditions show up. Heartbreaker changes you r emotions. Permanently. In a few seconds, you can go from hating his guts to being utterly devoted to him. LSD is unlikely to be of any help whatsoever.

Panacea might be able to tell who has been mastered by Heartbreaker, though, since it is a change in the brain. As much as she refuses to work on brains, scanning them would likely be something she could be talked into.
 
Lab_Accident said:
We could just vanish Heartbreaker while keeping him alive, possibly inserting a GB of the Mask in his place to not trigger any alarm, until we know who he's targeted and how to disarm them.
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Also, they've been given orders on what to do if he disappears, too, and likely orders for if he starts acting Mastered. Who knows how many of his victims are parahumans or have, as Liam Neesom put it, "a particular set of skills". The damage from moving on him will be large whatever the approach, but that doesn't mean he can never be touched. It is simply that the damage of letting him stay free has, so far, been less than the damage taking him in would cause. You couldn't even put him in the Birdcage, because he'd suddenly have an army of loyal slaves working together to his whim. Death is the only option there, not that he deserves a chance to live.

Edit: Oh, I remembered the other things at the top of my list for Tim
- Upgrade push and pull to be cross-dimensional
- Build that armory. Finally.
 
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Progress report for you guys. I promised myself (and told you) that I'd keep from working on this until the next chapter of Eternal Fantasy (my FFN story) is done and posted. Sadly, that's being a bit of a bugger for a number of reasons, namely that I'm working 70 hours a week or thereabouts so I don't have a lot of free time, and that free time is being sucked up by SO and the fact that I might have downloaded a PS2 emulator and started playing Persona 4 :oops: So anyway, yeah that, plus trying to get my current house sold and finding a place to live out West where I start my new job come August. So June's probably not gonna have an update unless my muse gets off her ass and work, and July will be filled up studying for my board certification the second week of August.

tl;dr: You might not see Arc 12 for a while. I'll still be popping in to answer questions like always, but I probably won't have the time to work on the writing side of things until RL settles down or I get a massive burst of inspiration.
 
Silently Watches said:
Progress report for you guys. I promised myself (and told you) that I'd keep from working on this until the next chapter of Eternal Fantasy (my FFN story) is done and posted. Sadly, that's being a bit of a bugger for a number of reasons, namely that I'm working 70 hours a week or thereabouts so I don't have a lot of free time, and that free time is being sucked up by SO and the fact that I might have downloaded a PS2 emulator and started playing Persona 4 :oops: So anyway, yeah that, plus trying to get my current house sold and finding a place to live out West where I start my new job come August. So June's probably not gonna have an update unless my muse gets off her ass and work, and July will be filled up studying for my board certification the second week of August.

tl;dr: You might not see Arc 12 for a while. I'll still be popping in to answer questions like always, but I probably won't have the time to work on the writing side of things until RL settles down or I get a massive burst of inspiration.
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That's disappointing, but life trumps games, no matter how much we might sometime wish for the reverse. Good luck on your many tasks.

I had the unofficial title of muse for a webcomic produced by my housemates. I doubt I'll be able to find your muse's address for a boot to her ass, but I'll look :p
 
Well while SW works hard to making more money, a new Worm / MGLN story by an author I enjoy was posted recently, so everyone can turn to that.

Hybrid Hive: Eat Shard?

Warning about my suggestions: I like WAFF stories, and I like fanon Amy, so a lot of my favorites (specifically all of these) feature Amy as a protagonist, sometimes / usually in a Useless Lesbian pairing.

Heromaker's Legacy, a non dark Worm / original fantasy story with a significantly OP Taylor facing more moral issues than martial.
Mauling Snarks by the guy who's also writing Hybrid Hive. Very Slice of Life due to Taylor being very OP in combat, but being very adorkable socially.
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Annette's adoptive brother is busy with work, but after her death keeps more hope alive in Taylor. The locker ends up being much worse in the Trio's attempts to break her, but Taylor has allies she didn't in canon. With a ping turned up to eleven and family on her side she has a much better start in her hero career.
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Blanket, very AU, author likes a slow build up to overwhelming power. Compares favorably to recent ShayneT stories but with a smoother growth curve.
 
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Silently Watches said:
Progress report for you guys. I promised myself (and told you) that I'd keep from working on this until the next chapter of Eternal Fantasy (my FFN story) is done and posted. Sadly, that's being a bit of a bugger for a number of reasons, namely that I'm working 70 hours a week or thereabouts so I don't have a lot of free time, and that free time is being sucked up by SO and the fact that I might have downloaded a PS2 emulator and started playing Persona 4 :oops: So anyway, yeah that, plus trying to get my current house sold and finding a place to live out West where I start my new job come August. So June's probably not gonna have an update unless my muse gets off her ass and work, and July will be filled up studying for my board certification the second week of August.

tl;dr: You might not see Arc 12 for a while. I'll still be popping in to answer questions like always, but I probably won't have the time to work on the writing side of things until RL settles down or I get a massive burst of inspiration.
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While that is unfortunate, it's more important that you get things sorted out properly. Good luck with moving and new job and everything.
 
Valdimarian said:
Well while SW works hard to making more money, a new Worm / MGLN story by an author I enjoy was posted recently, so everyone can turn to that.

Hybrid Hive: Eat Shard?

Warning about my suggestions: I like WAFF stories, and I like fanon Amy, so a lot of my favorites (specifically all of these) feature Amy as a protagonist, sometimes / usually in a Useless Lesbian pairing.

Heromaker's Legacy, a non dark Worm / original fantasy story with a significantly OP Taylor facing more moral issues than martial.
Mauling Snarks by the guy who's also writing Hybrid Hive. Very Slice of Life due to Taylor being very OP in combat, but being very adorkable socially.
Blanket, very AU, author likes a slow build up to overwhelming power. Compares favorably to recent ShayneT stories but with a smoother growth curve.
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I have a massive list of stories to read, compiled over the many years of being disabled and the tendency of fanfic writers to like to reference their own favorites. Your suggestion are going onto the pile. Maybe, some day, I'll even get caught up enough to read them, or try them out of order on a whim.
 
Heartbreaker is canonically lazy and doesn't look past the short term consequences of his actions, though I don't know if there are any WoGs to contradict that. I'd be surprised if he had any plans for beyond his death.

Also, someone asked if Cauldron capes had a conflict drive. It's WoG that Canary's shard screwed her over, so they at least have *something*.
 
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Weren't some of the Heartbroken either programmed to go nuts if he was captured or killed, or just that obsessed with him that they'd do it anyway? Canonically.
 
Obliviated fan said:
Weren't some of the Heartbroken either programmed to go nuts if he was captured or killed, or just that obsessed with him that they'd do it anyway? Canonically.
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He can't implant commands. Its just that the people he works on love/obsessed with him so much that they would freak out.
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Manson Family
Jim Jones
Waco Siege

When you combine charisma and utter lunacy, you don't need superpowers to be scary as fuck.
 
arromdee said:
Heartbreaker is canonically lazy and doesn't look past the short term consequences of his actions, though I don't know if there are any WoGs to contradict that. I'd be surprised if he had any plans for beyond his death.

Also, someone asked if Cauldron capes had a conflict drive. It's WoG that Canary's shard screwed her over, so they at least have *something*.
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It is canon that Heartbreaker doesn't think much beyond the moment. It is also canon that the reason he is left alone is partly that a stray thought and a second's effort is all it takes for him to make a suicide bomber. Whether or not he's actually done so is a huge unknown when compared to the relatively small impact(societally speaking) his current behaviour has. There's also the fact that, when it comes to parahumans, nobody can be absolutely certain of taking one down safely(with the exception of Contessa). Trying to kill him and failing would put him in the mood to create a zombie apocalypse, minion upon minion set to follow his will for the rest of their days.

Conflict drive is canon, but how it manifests seems to have a pretty wide range. Panacea's just wanted her to make something new instead of always healing things to be the same. L33t's wanted him to always be trying something new. In both cases, bucking the shard's desires resulted in greater and greater pressure on them until the shards were trying to kill their hosts so they could bond to somebody new and hopefully more interesting.

In Skitter, it manifested primarily in wanting to be in control of everything. In character, she had enough bad experiences with authority figures that, as Dragon herself admitted, her actions were not out of line with her pre-Trigger self. One of the interpretations you can take from a number of little details scattered across the original story is that Queen Administrator, Skitter's shard, was reading all the shards around it every bit as much as it was reading the bugs, thus explaining all the times Skitter managed to do a trick with somebody else's power that not even they knew would work, just as Jack's awareness of shards meant he'd always do exactly the right thing to avoid getting killed or to break the parahuman's mind and manipulate it to his whim.
 
On top of the compound Heartbreaker maintains, he also has what amounts to sleeper agents in neighborhoods who act as warning systems for him. Living there lives until something happens that results in them warning him or acting in his interest (just as he likely told them).
(They are sleeper agents in the sense that they are still themselves, could pass M/S codes because they still have there own mind but are fanatically devoted to him).
 
Something that just occured to me; We're pretty much immune to heat and radiation, right? I remember hearing about how Sundancer's sun would have no effect on us. What I'm wondering is if there's an upper limit to that, and if so, what it might be. Was that ever answered?
 
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Something that just occured to me; We're pretty much immune to heat and radiation, right? I remember hearing about how Sundancer's sun would have no effect on us. What I'm wondering is if there's an upper limit to that, and if so, what it might be. Was that ever answered?
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While I don't recall a specific limit ever being set to our immunity, it doesn't cover other effects. That's why, back when we captured the Dragonslayers, we had to sacrifice some of our defenses in order to have enough of an air supply to cover when we were inside the burning building. So, if we are hit by a raging inferno, the heat won't kill us, but the lack of oxygen will, though admittedly we'd have a little amount of time to act, probably enough time to use a spatial/dimensional shift.
 
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