Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

I feel like the one issue we are constantly suffering from is that we do not have any true periods of nothing we can spend on doing random things. We need a period where nothing happens, where we are at a lack of "quests" you can say, and so we end up having no choice but to patrol, or concentrate on finding new contacts, or something like that.

We have too much on our plate, and so we don't have time to do new things because we're constantly busy with old things.
 
I feel like the one issue we are constantly suffering from is that we do not have any true periods of nothing we can spend on doing random things. We need a period where nothing happens, where we are at a lack of "quests" you can say, and so we end up having no choice but to patrol, or concentrate on finding new contacts, or something like that.

We have too much on our plate, and so we don't have time to do new things because we're constantly busy with old things.
That was the ENTIRETY of this last arc.
 
I feel like the one issue we are constantly suffering from is that we do not have any true periods of nothing we can spend on doing random things. We need a period where nothing happens, where we are at a lack of "quests" you can say, and so we end up having no choice but to patrol, or concentrate on finding new contacts, or something like that.

We have too much on our plate, and so we don't have time to do new things because we're constantly busy with old things.
Sorry, but I feel like that's an excuse. You may get your wish anyways come Arc 13, but I feel "having no option but to do this thing" both goes against Quest logic, and thus what we're here for, and is a way of justifying the choices that we made. We either should have done this, or we shouldn't have done this, but saying "Oh, we only did this because we had literally any other choice" cheapens both the choices we made and the ones we didn't make.
 
Sorry, but I feel like that's an excuse. You may get your wish anyways come Arc 13, but I feel "having no option but to do this thing" both goes against Quest logic, and thus what we're here for, and is a way of justifying the choices that we made. We either should have done this, or we shouldn't have done this, but saying "Oh, we only did this because we had literally any other choice" cheapens both the choices we made and the ones we didn't make.
I stand by my point, because, excuse or no, psychological push is still a thing that exists, even in ultimately insignificant things like a Quest on SV. Same way how every conversation is an exercise in mutual manipulation, by adding plot-based options, people are naturally pushed away from everything else because it screams "IMPORTANT" at you, whether or not it's truly that time sensitive.
 
I stand by my point, because, excuse or no, psychological push is still a thing that exists, even in ultimately insignificant things like a Quest on SV. Same way how every conversation is an exercise in mutual manipulation, by adding plot-based options, people are naturally pushed away from everything else because it screams "IMPORTANT" at you, whether or not it's truly that time sensitive.
I guess we all prioritize in different ways, and everyone will read the same story differently.

I agree that conversations are a form of mutual manipulation, and that's very much what this thread is, a conversation. We manipulate the plot just as much as SW does, and since they've been telling us that they've been trying to manipulate us into making more friends for a while now, I guess we're the ones who have been doing the pushing. Psychological inertia is a thing, after all.
 
You guys asked for a calm period. I gave you 4 in-game weeks where you had nothing to do except what you wanted. If you feel like you didn't get a chance to relax and do fun stuff, then that's your problem and you should take a close look at your priorities. :rage:
Last arc was great. We're finally on top of thing and aside from trying to more actively recruit the adepts I don't think we actually have any important balls in the air that need to be dealt with now.

Question though, the PRT has already outfitted their A-class mages with storage devices right? Can we still offer them Intelligent Devices so that they can cast Breakers against the Endbringers or is that route closed?
 
Question though, the PRT has already outfitted their A-class mages with storage devices right? Can we still offer them Intelligent Devices so that they can cast Breakers against the Endbringers or is that route closed?
Route is closed, primarily because by the time Taylor has any chance to even make such an offer their A+ mages will already have all their spells picked out and have started training with them. So theoretically you could upgrade them to Intelligent Devices, but they won't be using Breakers.
 
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I wonder if Cassiel is keeping the true origins of Case 53s in reserve for if she ever needs to weaken Alexandria's position for some reason. Learning that those people were knowingly made from abducted people and then had their memories completely erased would certainly shake Taylor's world-view.

I don't think the PRT is exactly a lost cause. I just think they are a lost cause to this group, because the only thing they want most is something we cannot give them and nothing else is likely to really get them in our camp. So better to let them do their own thing and simply rope them into the plan when the time comes by remaining friendly enough.

My problem with forming our own force is we've consistently failed to take the steps needed to do so, and I can't see us changing that behavior. My vote does change the power blocks a little, but one new person is not sufficient to change the fact that we've been playing a loner and are likely to continue to do so in the future barring QM meddling.

But if we can? I'm all for it.

What do you think they want from us? There was never a question of us joining them. Prior to the introduction of these Guardian Beasts, we were explicitly barred from joining them, and even now, we're far too public a "parahuman" for that to be an option, not to mention our youth. The PRT in this quest is not the canon PRT. Alexandria greatly reduced how much she was hobbling them once Scion was no longer a concern, so they are far more competent, and getting them the firepower needed to compete with parahumans will most likely make them more effective.

I don't want us to focus our time too much on the PRT, but I do want us to be involved in the development of their new mage corps.

It did not feel like that...

You guys asked for a calm period. I gave you 4 in-game weeks where you had nothing to do except what you wanted. If you feel like you didn't get a chance to relax and do fun stuff, then that's your problem and you should take a close look at your priorities. :rage:

You gave us a grand total of 1 plot point! How were we supposed to pick anything else?! :p

To be clear, I am kidding. I don't want that to come off as possibly being serious. The changes you've made to the quest in terms of dedicated social picks and giving us a little time to address some of the outstanding issues we've been too busy for are both nice. You've made it clear that we will never have enough time to do everything, so there will always be a sense of things falling to the wayside not out of a lack of interest, but because we have things that are higher priorities. You know, like in life.

Even that one plot point was a natural extension of an event we triggered, so you weren't forcing anything on us.
 
Why do people think the PRT is closed to us? So far, they have benefited from us in a number of ways, one of which being they now have the tools to actually be relevant in the coming parahuman struggle for the control of society, thanks to our crash Familiar and Magic Training program. The Protectorate is the one we have been pissing off for the most part with our treatment of Vista and general issues.

Working with the PRT to help rebuild and stabilize society in the face of anarchy is the overall ending I am hoping to see.
 
With a gaggle of mages of their own they have no need for us and thus have no incentive to be deferential with an independent cape.
And do they have the needed knowledge. Taylor had a fully programmed device; the familiars grant some useful knowledge and the PRT guys are being given weaponry however they still don't have the same amount of magical knowledge and your average PRT soldier doesn't have aerial combat experience.

So, what Taylor can help with is training, teach them some basic spells and help them develop a proper doctrine. I'm not sure how much support dragon is giving them.

The PRT left to themselves will be able to get most of this stuff by themselves eventually however Taylor can give it to them quicker, and probably help them avoid mistakes. Useful spells, rust shooter, wide area search and ring bind (I assume they will have barrier jackets and flight as standard), Strong shield would also be useful.

Benefits for Taylor she gets to practice with other mages, probably some money and good will from the prt.
 
With a gaggle of mages of their own they have no need for us and thus have no incentive to be deferential with an independent cape.
Better question. Why does the PRT need to be deferential? They, and in particular the mages, view Taylor as an ally. She helped them discover this potential, after all. Just because she isn't the most important person in the world does not give them any incentive to make an enemy out of her.
 
With a gaggle of mages of their own they have no need for us and thus have no incentive to be deferential with an independent cape.

Every last template mage will be stronger than the strongest mage the PRT ever trains, barring a Nanoha/Hayate style freak of nature. We also have access to technology that vastly exceeds the capability of Gears. It will be decades before magical engineers can come anywhere close to the level of a TG, and even then, they won't have the ability to study and replicate Tinker creations. Also, while some elements of your comments are true, it will be a very long time before they become true.

Not to mention, when it comes out that we're a "parahuman" who can actually teach ordinary people to mimic our powers, even if at a weaker level, with guarantees in place to verify there is no Mastering a la Teacher, combined with our role in taking out the Endbringers, we will likely wind up worshipped by a substantial percentage of the population. Taylor won't be comfortable with that, of course, but I doubt the PRT will want to deal with the backlash they could stir up.

On the other hand, attempting to nip that particular problem in the bud is a very Worm thing to do, so we should stay on our guard for when a rogue force attacks us.

Better question. Why does the PRT need to be deferential? They, and in particular the mages, view Taylor as an ally. She helped them discover this potential, after all. Just because she isn't the most important person in the world does not give them any incentive to make an enemy out of her.

Agreed. We don't need to be their boss or be in control. We will most likely receive a measure of deference due to experience and our track record, but that is a matter of respect we have earned.
 
The thing I am looking forwards to is the eventual public reveal of magic. Especially the whole 'magic doesnt exist' thing lots of people will have.
 
The thing I am looking forwards to is the eventual public reveal of magic. Especially the whole 'magic doesnt exist' thing lots of people will have.
Yeah. Outside of dealing with the Simurgh, nothing else Taylor has done will have quite the impact as what we just started with the PRT. They are actively talking and planning to retake a city from the Super-villains who pretty much do what they want in it. We have probably single-handedly reversed the inevitable down-slide into parahuman feudalism and introduced possibly the single largest technological change since agriculture. There will be universities and textbooks dedicated to us. The 'deference' of a couple of PRT troopers in small potatoes compared to that.
 
The thing I am looking forwards to is the eventual public reveal of magic. Especially the whole 'magic doesnt exist' thing lots of people will have.

To be fair, with how low a percentage of people can utilize magic, and the evident lack of well developed and effective magical traditions, the scientific method could not be reliably applied. When only certain people can get the results, it is standard practice to assume they're lying/faking it somehow.

On the other hand, they've been proven wrong on such assumptions plenty of times in the past. The tendency to dismiss things by saying 'there must be a rational explanation' completely ignores that it is, say rational to believe in magic if magic is real. It's rational to believe in ghosts if you've seen adequate evidence of their existence, even if you can't prove it to others. Lack of demonstrable proof is not the same as lack of proof, even when you consider the tendency of people to lie for any number of reasons, when you are the one who has experienced that proof.

Then there's the obverse hand, that people believing in what they've experienced have also been conclusively proven wrong plenty of times. Ain't life grand?
 
Weird question: has Myrdin been confirmed as "Magical" or "Not magical" yet?

If not we should find a way to socialize with him (maybe following the Endbringer attack?) before scanning him to increase the odds of him being a mage / high class mage.
 
Weird question: has Myrdin been confirmed as "Magical" or "Not magical" yet?

If not we should find a way to socialize with him (maybe following the Endbringer attack?) before scanning him to increase the odds of him being a mage / high class mage.

Neither, so far. There's been conversation over how funny it would be for him to be confirmed as a mage, but he has not been tested. I suggest we include "ping Myrrdin with telepathy to see if he responds, should we see him before the fight starts", just because it amuses me and may amuse others.
 
Neither, so far. There's been conversation over how funny it would be for him to be confirmed as a mage, but he has not been tested. I suggest we include "ping Myrrdin with telepathy to see if he responds, should we see him before the fight starts", just because it amuses me and may amuse others.
The problem with pinging him first is that if he's NOT on the guaranteed list then pinging means making the magic or no magic roll right then instead of socializing him first which will raise the odds of him being magical.

Even if it turns out he's NOT magical, socializing him means raising his odds if we eventually offer him the mage mutagenics to trade out his Parahuman powers to become an ACTUAL Wizard.
 
I'm all for socializing Myrrdin, but we probably won't get an opportunity for a while, what with the impending endbringer.
 
The problem with pinging him first is that if he's NOT on the guaranteed list then pinging means making the magic or no magic roll right then instead of socializing him first which will raise the odds of him being magical.

Even if it turns out he's NOT magical, socializing him means raising his odds if we eventually offer him the mage mutagenics to trade out his Parahuman powers to become an ACTUAL Wizard.

If I'm counting correctly, there is one remaining person with a guaranteed core from the beginning of the game. Myrddin having or not having magic means very little to the characters or even to some, if not most, of the players. Him not having magic would make me a little sad, but I'm not going to go to any great lengths to make him a close ally. His insistence that his powers are at least partly magical means that interacting with him after revealing our version of magic is all but inevitable, so him being guaranteed to have or not have a core seems to be a high probability in my eyes.
 
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