Meh. Life and quests have taught me to expect for the worst. Hope for the best, but expect (and prepare for) the worst and at the very least you won't be disappointed by what life throws at you and maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)
- Thread starter Silently Watches
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Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
You heavily implied someone was going to die. Or at the very least that your plans were in no way good ones.
And you suggested we patrol after the arc you said they'd die in.
This quest feels like on giant chain of miscommunications sometimes I swear.
True to canon then, if so!
Crusader Jerome
Subsisting on Supplication
- Location
- My home away from Rome
'Tis the disadvantage of a mass-vote web serial quest compared to in-person tabletop.
- Location
- Georgia
Feeling guilty, or thinking that s/he would feel guilty if we had done something different, isn't the same as saying it will be bad. It will almost certainly be interesting, so I look forward to it regardless, but it could be a guilty pleasure or looking forward to a surprise we would have had a chance to prepare for.
A thought:
We saw very little of the presumed parahuman Lacey helped. The TSAB is against any official contact with locals. The TSAB already plans on posing as parahumans for the Endbringer fight. Might one of the crew capable of dimensional Transfer be pretending to be a parahuman to get a more personal, up close look at things?
The more I think about it, the less this seems likely, but it could be interesting. Unlike in life, it isn't so much a curse that we should play in interesting times.
Silently Watches
Professional Stalker
- Location
- Right behind you
Where? Legit question, where does it come across that I'm implying this?
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- Location
- Georgia
Specifically, the line "I don't feel at all guilty about what will be happening in arc 13" or something to that effect.
Lab_Accident
A 2D 1D4
- Location
- Your dreams
That might just mean he will railroad us into a School Arc, though. Still, for some people, I guess a whole arc of Kayleigh could qualify as a great Evil.
Silently Watches
Professional Stalker
- Location
- Right behind you
"There was interest in these characters. I don't feel guilty about what I'm going to do now".
If this comes across as negative, then some people fundamentally don't understand my writing style and seemingly never will. I'm done apologizing for other people taking what I say and twisting it into the worst possible (or even not-so-possible) interpretation.
Crusader Jerome
Subsisting on Supplication
- Location
- My home away from Rome
You don't need to apologize for all of us being idiots, but thanks for trying while your patience lasted.
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
Honestly I think I probably overfocused on the second part, rereading it now, the statement is definitely still ominous, but less so than before.
I dunno, any time someone says 'I'm not going to feel guilty' it implies that there's a reason they normally should feel guilty, which usually implies that they're intending to do something bad in turn. Sort of like 'I'm not going to apologize' or a similar statement. Saying it implies that under other circumstances you would apologize/there would be an apology-worthy action.
Recently noticed this quest, I haven't read all the discussions yet so I might have missed these thoughts being answered
Near the start didn't the Simurgh make a device that disrupts parahuman powers by a telepathic pulse (as well as seemingly disrupting her own)? I wonder if something like that could be produced again and if it could be used to disrupt an Endbringers power.
Equally I wonder if the shard controlling the Endbringers could be found and in some manner be controlled to shut them down. Could the sleeping Endbringers be converted into unison (or other type) devices.
I wonder if Taylor has considered "What will Perfect Storm or more precisely Immortal Assimilation Engine do if I die". She doesn't know that she will come back to life in someone else's body after all, (and if she ever finds out I wonder if an alternative to body possession could be developed such as into a unison device or equivalent sort of body could be produced) worst case in her view would be Immortal Assimilation Engine goes back to its standard programming. To me this is the biggest reason for her to join the TSAB.
If Scion was still around (i.e. if he wasn't currently dead just incase people were interpreting that as me thinking he is still around, I wonder if Abaddon is floating above some poor Earth running the experiment for a few hundred years), I wonder if the mass earth destruction would have also affected the TSAB worlds, one moment everything is fine then the world is suddenly being converted by an outside force. Since the TSAB seems to just be parallel earths with some off-planet infrastructure and spaceships well...
Hm, can a unison device help with casting Ragnarök, I mean during the Unison they basically have two cores (or larger one), so they might be able to cast it once without immediately suffering from mana poisoning… although I imagine you would need a certain level of compatibility which would probably not apply to Dragon but maybe Cassiel who we probably shouldn't bring to an Endbringer fight which is basically the only time we would cast the spell
Near the start didn't the Simurgh make a device that disrupts parahuman powers by a telepathic pulse (as well as seemingly disrupting her own)? I wonder if something like that could be produced again and if it could be used to disrupt an Endbringers power.
Equally I wonder if the shard controlling the Endbringers could be found and in some manner be controlled to shut them down. Could the sleeping Endbringers be converted into unison (or other type) devices.
I wonder if Taylor has considered "What will Perfect Storm or more precisely Immortal Assimilation Engine do if I die". She doesn't know that she will come back to life in someone else's body after all, (and if she ever finds out I wonder if an alternative to body possession could be developed such as into a unison device or equivalent sort of body could be produced) worst case in her view would be Immortal Assimilation Engine goes back to its standard programming. To me this is the biggest reason for her to join the TSAB.
If Scion was still around (i.e. if he wasn't currently dead just incase people were interpreting that as me thinking he is still around, I wonder if Abaddon is floating above some poor Earth running the experiment for a few hundred years), I wonder if the mass earth destruction would have also affected the TSAB worlds, one moment everything is fine then the world is suddenly being converted by an outside force. Since the TSAB seems to just be parallel earths with some off-planet infrastructure and spaceships well...
Hm, can a unison device help with casting Ragnarök, I mean during the Unison they basically have two cores (or larger one), so they might be able to cast it once without immediately suffering from mana poisoning… although I imagine you would need a certain level of compatibility which would probably not apply to Dragon but maybe Cassiel who we probably shouldn't bring to an Endbringer fight which is basically the only time we would cast the spell
- Location
- Georgia
Note that I've been arguing against what you have planned necessarily being a bad thing.
The impression I got from it was not "there was interest in this character", it was "there wasn't enough interest in this character to ever win a vote". Even rereading it, it sounds far more like the latter than the former. As such, 'not enough interest' with 'not feel guilty about' makes it sounded like you might be getting rid of the character, not devoting more time to them.
Text based communications are complicated so very much by losing details of inflection and body language.
No. Parahuman powers can be messed with, through their connections to their shards, but the Endbringers aren't linked to a shard, they ARE a shard.
I'm fairly certain the idea has never crossed her mind.
Silently Watches
Professional Stalker
- Location
- Right behind you
Arc 13 is going to feature a substantial amount of Kayleigh and Laura. If there was no interest, I would have felt a little bad that I was forcing two characters people didn't like into the spotlight. Since there was interest, however, just not enough to compete with all the other stuff going on this past arc, I can write 13 with characters I find interesting and not feel like I'm satisfying only myself.
Think its just your being really really bad at being cryptic. Long running issue, funny part is how it still surprises anyone
Ah. That does make sense. While I didn't really comment on it my thoughts also went down the same path as @Wyrd:
but from a GM perspective feeling concern (and thus potentially guilt) over forcing heavy interaction with a subset of characters is a reasonable concern. It just isn't something the players tend to think about until we're forced into the situation and go "Ugh. Not another chapter with X."
serra2
Himouto! Sylvanas-chan
I would definitely say there is interest, it's just that everyone is kind of torn between the 60 bazillion other super important tasks we kind of have to do in the mean time.
A nice hot springs episode with teenage shenanigans seems like the nice rest arc coming off of a Endbringer Arc.
NotInventedHere
MSV, Desert Class
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Oh. Phew. Huzzah. Hooray.
Sorry for panicking a bit before. I did also read that initial line with a focus on the "though they never passed" bit, as saying "therefore, clearly the voters aren't interested in spending time with them".
- Location
- USA
Going back to look at the exact line, I believe the worrying readers (myself very much included
as self designated Admiral of this particular Ship) had interpreted the line as- Because "vote failed", result "have no regrets" (negative result from lack of support for spending time)
- Because "vote nearly passed" , result "have no regrets" (positive result from enough minority-bloc to justify a QM call on spending time anyway)
It then coupled with the later line on the Leo vial :
, which may well turn out to be unrelated or to itself be non-gloomy (think Purity: lack of votes took her away from being a mage or party recruit, but didn't kill her or anything) , to worsen initial reactions to the K&C line.I'm especially disappointed in the loss of the Leo vial. One of the characters named in this AAR could have really benefited from that.
:lol I am now (with paranoid caution) reassured and extremely hype for Arc 13 :lol
Silently Watches
Professional Stalker
- Location
- Right behind you
The independent clause is basically always the more important part of the sentence, especially when the dependent clause is oppositional (i.e., starts with "though", "although", "however", etc.).Going back to look at the exact line, I believe the worrying readers (myself very much included
Whereas you meant it as
- Because "vote failed", result "have no regrets" (negative result from lack of support for spending time)
- Because "vote nearly passed" , result "have no regrets" (positive result from enough minority-bloc to justify a QM call on spending time anyway)
Both actually. It had zero to do with Kayleigh, and just because a character would benefit from something does not require them to be in a bad position currently. Just that it's less good than it could have been.
- Location
- Georgia
Another option for who the vial could have gone to is the Privateer who just apologized for what they did and how they went about it. Kurt seems to have learned from it, but I'd still be reticent to give him any real power after showing he couldn't be trusted with the power armor.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
I've caught up! Finally!
Honestly @Silently Watches it seems like a lot of the problems here are because the players (which I suppose I am now) are terrified that every seemingly innocuous choice is going to lead to something horrible. And while you keep claiming you are a teddy bear... you killed Taylor once from a fight we got pulled into, and only changed your mind on it to prevent a riot, and the very start left an opportunity where if we had done things even slightly differently we would have ended up having to kill Danny. That kinda flavors things in a bad way, even though none of it ended up actually happening. And frankly the dice hate us, considering every time rolls are involved bad things seem to happen.
It's also a matter of there always being pressing things to deal with - we can't patrol because if we patrol we give up a timeslot we needed for something time critical that would probably make the PRT hate us even more. (You can't keep giving us plot options and expecting us to go with what amounts to a radiant quest instead of the plot one. It's never going to happen with this group. Some groups the exact opposite happens, where they need to be railroaded into following the plot. We have the opposite problem, you need to railroad us into not just following the main plot.)
In fact, I'd like to propose a new idea to the rest of the players: The PRT is upset with us for a bunch of reasons most of which are frankly irrational, but there's no point getting angry at them over it. My point is that the PRT is probably never going to be fully in our court. We've simply rubbed them the wrong way. This and the most recent interlude show we're now pretty much cut out of that plotline - though due to age we never really had a shot of being a proper member anyway. We know Dragon. Dragon likes us. ...Anyone want to see if we can interact with The Guild and start looking for mages, next time we get a chance? It's been made explicit that we need to form a team, and Taylor (and the playerbase) have the entirely wrong personality to make it a group of friends (despite the QM's best efforts). So a loose coalition of mages from several groups willing to work together to save the world, of which we are just one of, seems like our best bet.
Honestly @Silently Watches it seems like a lot of the problems here are because the players (which I suppose I am now) are terrified that every seemingly innocuous choice is going to lead to something horrible. And while you keep claiming you are a teddy bear... you killed Taylor once from a fight we got pulled into, and only changed your mind on it to prevent a riot, and the very start left an opportunity where if we had done things even slightly differently we would have ended up having to kill Danny. That kinda flavors things in a bad way, even though none of it ended up actually happening. And frankly the dice hate us, considering every time rolls are involved bad things seem to happen.
It's also a matter of there always being pressing things to deal with - we can't patrol because if we patrol we give up a timeslot we needed for something time critical that would probably make the PRT hate us even more. (You can't keep giving us plot options and expecting us to go with what amounts to a radiant quest instead of the plot one. It's never going to happen with this group. Some groups the exact opposite happens, where they need to be railroaded into following the plot. We have the opposite problem, you need to railroad us into not just following the main plot.)
In fact, I'd like to propose a new idea to the rest of the players: The PRT is upset with us for a bunch of reasons most of which are frankly irrational, but there's no point getting angry at them over it. My point is that the PRT is probably never going to be fully in our court. We've simply rubbed them the wrong way. This and the most recent interlude show we're now pretty much cut out of that plotline - though due to age we never really had a shot of being a proper member anyway. We know Dragon. Dragon likes us. ...Anyone want to see if we can interact with The Guild and start looking for mages, next time we get a chance? It's been made explicit that we need to form a team, and Taylor (and the playerbase) have the entirely wrong personality to make it a group of friends (despite the QM's best efforts). So a loose coalition of mages from several groups willing to work together to save the world, of which we are just one of, seems like our best bet.
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Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
I personally don't think the PRT is a complete lost cause just yet? But I think doing more than one angle of outreach is definitely worth trying. I want to oversee the PRT's implementation of mages as much as possible because frankly I don't trust them not to pull something shady sooner or later.
But we should also organize our own force of mages, possibly in conjunction with the guild, if only to ensure that the PRT doesn't end up with a monopoly on the power they represent.
But we should also organize our own force of mages, possibly in conjunction with the guild, if only to ensure that the PRT doesn't end up with a monopoly on the power they represent.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
I don't think the PRT is exactly a lost cause. I just think they are a lost cause to this group, because the only thing they want most is something we cannot give them and nothing else is likely to really get them in our camp. So better to let them do their own thing and simply rope them into the plan when the time comes by remaining friendly enough.
My problem with forming our own force is we've consistently failed to take the steps needed to do so, and I can't see us changing that behavior. My vote does change the power blocks a little, but one new person is not sufficient to change the fact that we've been playing a loner and are likely to continue to do so in the future barring QM meddling.
But if we can? I'm all for it.
My problem with forming our own force is we've consistently failed to take the steps needed to do so, and I can't see us changing that behavior. My vote does change the power blocks a little, but one new person is not sufficient to change the fact that we've been playing a loner and are likely to continue to do so in the future barring QM meddling.
But if we can? I'm all for it.