Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

Pretty sure that should be tax evasion.


...Considering his finances and the rules against Thinkers fucking with economics, i now have a powerful desire to see Coil taken down off screen by the IRS.
That is entirely possible, and something Lisa probably should have looked into in canon.
What would you call the personality of the character then? Because Silently is specifically aiming with it in mind, at least in this case, and at least as I remember.
The personality of the character is the id and the ego. Though honestly, from that perspective, Tattletale not being on the list of targets makes ZERO sense. Tattletale's the one who screwed Taylor over. Sure, Coil and Bakuda blew up her house, but Tattletale is the reason they did it.
 
That is entirely possible, and something Lisa probably should have looked into in canon.

The personality of the character is the id and the ego. Though honestly, from that perspective, Tattletale not being on the list of targets makes ZERO sense. Tattletale's the one who screwed Taylor over. Sure, Coil and Bakuda blew up her house, but Tattletale is the reason they did it.

I'd rather argue that she made it possible for Bakuda and Coil to blow up Taylor's house. Or at least made it easier than Coil would have been able to otherwise do. Coil views Tattletale as a resource to be used, rather than a person. He had more resources than just her, and she din't finger all of the Empire's Capes for him in canon either. A lot, yes, but he had other ways of doing it. If I must, I'd admit that, at worst, Tatletale shares culpability with Coil, but not as much as he has threated to kill her if she disobeys him.
 
I'd rather argue that she made it possible for Bakuda and Coil to blow up Taylor's house. Or at least made it easier than Coil would have been able to otherwise do. Coil views Tattletale as a resource to be used, rather than a person. He had more resources than just her, and she din't finger all of the Empire's Capes for him in canon either. A lot, yes, but he had other ways of doing it. If I must, I'd admit that, at worst, Tatletale shares culpability with Coil, but not as much as he has threated to kill her if she disobeys him.
None of which Taylor knows beyond what Tattletale has told her, and Tattletale is suspect.

Actually, there's a rather interesting parallel here: Coil is Sophia, Bakuda is Madison, and Tattletale is Emma.

Now. Who's responsible? Who does Taylor hate the most?

And why wasn't going after Tattletale the FIRST thing Taylor wanted to do?
 
None of which Taylor knows beyond what Tattletale has told her, and Tattletale is suspect.
But I thought you were all about using meta-knowledge?

Anyway, just because you want to beat up Tattletale doesn't mean that your charmingly Freudian analysis is objectively correct, or that we're somehow stupid because we didn't pick your galaxy brain choice.
 
*sigh*
You're really going there, are you?
Give me a reason not to. The parallels are there.
But I thought you were all about using meta-knowledge?
I use both, when and as appropriate. In this case, both sets of knowledge are in agreement.

Anyway, just because you want to beat up Tattletale doesn't mean that your charmingly Freudian analysis is objectively correct, or that we're somehow stupid because we didn't pick your galaxy brain choice.
You misunderstand. I don't care what Taylor does to Tattletale. Have Taylor interrogate her, have Taylor vaporize her, have Taylor kiss her, I don't care. What I care about is good strategy. Going after Bakuda is bad strategy. Going in blind after Coil is bad strategy. Of the options provided, Calvert was the best one, but it's still worse than Tattletale.
 
Going after Bakuda is bad strategy. Going in blind after Coil is bad strategy. Of the options provided, Calvert was the best one, but it's still worse than Tattletale.
I'm just gonna ask.
Have you seen this?
Do you know what the greatest weapon is when fighting Tinkers? The element of surprise.

I'll go ahead and spoil part of the AAR. Attacking Bakuda last carried the highest risk of character death. Like, by a long shot.

Also we've already committed to going after Bakuda first. Deal with it and stop trying to argue that going after Tattletale directly should have been an option considering we don't even have confirmation that she's even in Coil's service at this time.
 
I'm just gonna ask.
Have you seen this?
I did. However, the second greatest weapon is information. Tattletale can be hit fast and quietly as she's not much of a combatant and the slapdash team has three teleporters and a space warper. Kidnapping someone who's physically a baseline human in a quiet and quick manner is entirely within their abilities. Maintain surprise, acquire information.
Also we've already committed to going after Bakuda first.
You must have missed the post where I explained that the point of this isn't to change things (there's not even a vote on right now anyways), it's to encourage outside-the-box thinking.

Look, I wouldn't have an issue with this if the only real argument against my claim didn't boil down to "because Taylor's an idiot" when she's clearly not. A hormonal teenager, sure. An idiot, no.
we don't even have confirmation that she's even in Coil's service at this time.
Okay, this I admittedly had not considered. Though that would basically require him to have given her up for some reason, or possibly killed her. Of the two, I think the latter is the more likely. Though if she's no longer working for him, hitting her goes from mild risk for high reward to no risk for moderate reward. Worst case scenario, she's dead in some alley somewhere which is no skin off Taylor's nose. Best case scenario, she has substantial verifiable information that could be used to nail Coil, and he has no way of keeping track of her because she's not working for him anymore. Which still makes going after her first the smart move.
 
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The swarm is starting to come together, and one of the women pulls you into a sitting position. Is it Ca… Cal… the ice girl? And now you're propped up against her chest. Her, Tattletale, Pounce. Stupid sexy villains and skintight spandex.
That was Maskless 6.11. She was in Phili at the time, back when that whole shit fest with M-13 fighting with Winter Hill over the Containment truck.
Or Taylor was hallucinating after being bitch smacked with an RPG.
 
That was Maskless 6.11. She was in Phili at the time, back when that whole shit fest with M-13 fighting with Winter Hill over the Containment truck.
Or Taylor was hallucinating after being bitch smacked with an RPG.
I think that was a comparison, not a description of who was there. Only Winter Hill people and Sam were there at the time.
 
For coil, sure, but for tattletale? I really just do not get where you're coming from here. No matter how many times I see it argued here and on SB. The worst you could call her is an abrasive manipulative bitch, by her canon actions.

I believe the segment from Silently Watches you quoted, was a depiction of /the Character Taylor's/ views based on her extremely limited interaction with and knowledge about Tattletale. Not any larger statement by SilentlyWatches the author. Considering Taylor never interacted with Tattletale outside that one (bad) meeting, knew only that she was assigned a role of standing in the shadows advising Coil (willingly or not is a question of debate to Taylor), and the only new information later was Tattletale quarantined for Simurgh-Risk and attempting to escape it (so did Purity, of course, and I don't think Taylor or us have any idea what rating Tattletale got at the time).
 
Actually, there's a rather interesting parallel here: Coil is Sophia, Bakuda is Madison, and Tattletale is Emma.

Now. Who's responsible? Who does Taylor hate the most?
If I wanted to draw such parallels, I would've compare Coil with Emma, Bakuda with Sophia and Tattletale with Madison.

Coil is responsible.
He tried to pose as a hero to use the Privateers as his pawns. If the truth wasn't uncovered so fast, it would have been devastating blow. Just like Emma's betrayal was for Taylor.
He's an evil mastermind who decided to get rid of Calamity Witch. Bakuda and Tattletale provided means, but it was Coil who used them against Calamity. Just like Emma was the one who instigated the bullying, directing her clique against Taylor.

Bakuda is just a thug, who achieve her goals through violence and tends to lash out if it fails. Just like Sophia.

Tattletale meanwhile just trying to use Calamity for her own gains (stay alive and get free), nothing more. Just like Madison.
 
For coil, sure, but for tattletale? I really just do not get where you're coming from here. No matter how many times I see it argued here and on SB. The worst you could call her is an abrasive manipulative bitch, by her canon actions.
That was a view from Taylor's head, not my own. As far as Taylor knows, Tattletale called her a psycho and made a big deal about following The Rules. The next "interaction" they had was (Taylor assumes) Tattletale aiming Coil and Bakuda at her home in direct contrast to those rules.
That was Maskless 6.11. She was in Phili at the time, back when that whole shit fest with M-13 fighting with Winter Hill over the Containment truck.
Or Taylor was hallucinating after being bitch smacked with an RPG.
That was a comparison. Tattletale wasn't there, nor was Taylor hallucinating.
None of which Taylor knows beyond what Tattletale has told her, and Tattletale is suspect.

Actually, there's a rather interesting parallel here: Coil is Sophia, Bakuda is Madison, and Tattletale is Emma.

Now. Who's responsible? Who does Taylor hate the most?

And why wasn't going after Tattletale the FIRST thing Taylor wanted to do?
:facepalm: Seriously?

Coil is dangerous. He has mercenaries, resources, and a position in the PRT that he can use to his advantage.

Bakuda is dangerous. She builds Tinkertech bombs.

Tattletale is an annoyance or at most a resource for somebody else. Dealing with her can wait until the actual legitimate threats are taken care of. Not to mention that a risk you seem to be ignoring is that if she is able to tip Coil off during her capture, you would lose the element of surprise for absolutely zero gain.
 
Okay, two things.
1) Firehawk, I'm getting the impression you're playing the strawman right now. It's not intended as an insult, but I just can't take your arguments seriously.
2) I am more than half sure that Tattletale has in fact slipped the Coil's leash way long ago and is actually uninvolved in this, and the absolute majority of the rest of me is equally certain that if she was indeed involved it was due to Dinah treatment.
 
Well now we can all start singing:


Vista is so screwed. ><


What, are you expecting her to get dog-piled by Butcher|Lung, the Sleeper and the Blasphemies? On top of being a Shaker 9, which by itself is serious business, she's probably a Brute 5 and Blaster 5 now, and that's me very tentatively low-balling it. She uses her space-warping on her shield when it's deployed, or on her particle cannon and she becomes considerably more dangerous and difficult to hurt, and she was already the kind of Parahuman that you shell from a distance with an artillery barrage. Arguably, she could be considered a lightning bruiser now with a dash of Diet Purity ™ for added flavor. That's not a combo you tangle with lightly.

Or to put it simply, I'm not particularly worried even if she came face to face with Bakuda. Thomas's hired guns would likely get wrecked unless they have Parahuman support, and at the very least, Missy would be a nightmarish harasser until Taylor and Samantha teleported to her for reinforcement. Not many canon Parahumans are as effective as she is now at all-range combat.
 
What, are you expecting her to get dog-piled by Butcher|Lung, the Sleeper and the Blasphemies? On top of being a Shaker 9, which by itself is serious business, she's probably a Brute 5 and Blaster 5 now, and that's me very tentatively low-balling it. She uses her space-warping on her shield when it's deployed, or on her particle cannon and she becomes considerably more dangerous and difficult to hurt, and she was already the kind of Parahuman that you shell from a distance with an artillery barrage. Arguably, she could be considered a lightning bruiser now with a dash of Diet Purity ™ for added flavor. That's not a combo you tangle with lightly.

Or to put it simply, I'm not particularly worried even if she came face to face with Bakuda. Thomas's hired guns would likely get wrecked unless they have Parahuman support, and at the very least, Missy would be a nightmarish harasser until Taylor and Samantha teleported to her for reinforcement. Not many canon Parahumans are as effective as she is now at all-range combat.

Coil/Bakuda is the absolute worst match up for her. Sure she could run circles around any threat she sees but even with the arm all it takes is one trap or a merc with a tazer to put her down. She just got finished stating that yes she can see where people are but cannot do anything about hidden traps or people once they grapple with her. Sure she's got a space magic arm now but Coil knows who she is and he gets to redo any rolls that don't land in his favor.
 
Coil/Bakuda is the absolute worst match up for her. Sure she could run circles around any threat she sees but even with the arm all it takes is one trap or a merc with a tazer to put her down. She just got finished stating that yes she can see where people are but cannot do anything about hidden traps or people once they grapple with her. Sure she's got a space magic arm now but Coil knows who she is and he gets to redo any rolls that don't land in his favor.
…Why do you assume that Vista's going to jump on in and start fighting Bakuda or Coil's men all on her lonesome? When she expressly said she's going to LOOK for the base? With an application of her power that no one will even know is happening?

Credit her (and me) a little common sense, please.
 
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