- Location
- Denmark
plus, wasn't it on a ship at the time?
500 dead in a city, that's bad
500 dead on a ship, who didn't die?
Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)
- Thread starter Silently Watches
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plus, wasn't it on a ship at the time?
500 dead in a city, that's bad
500 dead on a ship, who didn't die?
- Location
- USA
Love the TSAB's face-heel-turn in attitude; really makes me trust them more. Honestly, and maybe it's just me, but if we jump straight to "I forgive you for almost murdering me TSAB-sempai, let's be best friends!" I'm going to scream.
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
First? Chill. Seriously.
Second: What on earth makes you think we'd do that? It seems pretty clear that even if we have to work with them now, we still don't entirely trust these guys in-character.
Geas
Meat Thing
While I'm not familiar with all things Nanoha outside of wiki trawling (only made it maybe halfway through the first series and haven't made the time yet to go back to it), the TSAB has always given me the impression that it doesn't truly function as a proper military. In fact, I'd call it at best a paramilitary law enforcement organization, from my perspective as a former military man. As such, thinking of the TSAB in such terms makes the mind-boggling leniency inherent in the commanding officers a little easier to swallow.
With that in mind, well, I wouldn't be surprised if this bunch ends up facing some form of disciplinary action, given that this is still technically a first-contact scenario, and one that isn't painting the TSAB in a very good light already from a purely outside perspective if the particulars of this incident ends up being spread around.
Granted, even if someone had witnessed the attack, they wouldn't know much of what happened, bounded fields being what they are and all. But a possible observer would have seen them shooting first at a known hero before that field went up, and if that potential observer wasn't a gang member then news would've been all over PHO in less than an hour probably.
Hopefully that's not the case. Otherwise the PRT and Protectorate (and of course Cauldron) won't be quite so friendly when the TSAB proper finally shows up. But in the plus side, no one died?
So... Yeah, they're in trouble. How much trouble remains to be seen. But not discharge/magic Fort Leavenworth levels of trouble. After all, they didn't instigate a war... They just instead may have very well cost the TSAB as a whole a very potent, powerful asset in the form of a no-longer-murder-happy Immortal Assimilation Engine, and possibly hampered future diplomatic relations with at least one government.
So, probably demotions, black marks on their records, and almost certainly shit duty for a WHILE. And possibly worse, causing their commanding officer to lose faith in their capability in sensitive situations.
With that in mind, well, I wouldn't be surprised if this bunch ends up facing some form of disciplinary action, given that this is still technically a first-contact scenario, and one that isn't painting the TSAB in a very good light already from a purely outside perspective if the particulars of this incident ends up being spread around.
Granted, even if someone had witnessed the attack, they wouldn't know much of what happened, bounded fields being what they are and all. But a possible observer would have seen them shooting first at a known hero before that field went up, and if that potential observer wasn't a gang member then news would've been all over PHO in less than an hour probably.
Hopefully that's not the case. Otherwise the PRT and Protectorate (and of course Cauldron) won't be quite so friendly when the TSAB proper finally shows up. But in the plus side, no one died?
So... Yeah, they're in trouble. How much trouble remains to be seen. But not discharge/magic Fort Leavenworth levels of trouble. After all, they didn't instigate a war... They just instead may have very well cost the TSAB as a whole a very potent, powerful asset in the form of a no-longer-murder-happy Immortal Assimilation Engine, and possibly hampered future diplomatic relations with at least one government.
So, probably demotions, black marks on their records, and almost certainly shit duty for a WHILE. And possibly worse, causing their commanding officer to lose faith in their capability in sensitive situations.
- Location
- USA
Because forgiving them now would advance the plot a lot more smoothly than willfully antagonizing them.
Also, it seems Erga is just letting us go. This baffles me. As much as Taylor seems to be in control of the dangerous magical artifact, just letting her leave without any supervision is beyond irresponsible. I think he's just telling us that so we'll feel better, but I'm almost positive they'll have eyes on us from now on, watching for any slip-ups to indicate that IAE is getting out of hand again.
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Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
Forgiveness doesn't automatically equate to trust, nor does it automatically result in politeness or loss of tension. We may be working with them, but it will I think be a while before we are Playing nice.
And uh... Yes? No shit?
That's no reason to be mad at them when there's good odds several other organizations have been effectively doing the same thing ever since we met them?
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globalwarmth
ruining the weather.
- Location
- Polar ice caps
Ziz bombs ae a good comparison I guess.
The revelation might bind our lost logia more to us instead of her past loyalties.
The revelation might bind our lost logia more to us instead of her past loyalties.
Why not.......some of the craziest serial killers came across as nice people.
Geas
Meat Thing
It might help to consider that he's attempting to 1) salvage a botched first contact before things get worse, 2) not make the impression of the TSAB any worse, and 3), avoid being the guy that started a cold war (or a hot war) with a world that not only has (somehow) tamed the Immortal Assimilation Engine, but also boasts (from his perspective) an abnormally large number of non-mages capable of using Rare Skills.
globalwarmth
ruining the weather.
- Location
- Polar ice caps
But still some people can't be mad at them.
There are whole communities idolizing charismatic serial killers and tons of girls that want to bone them. There are a couple that even got married in jail...
Anyway, we gain nothing by holding a grudge and can only get reparations by continuing to interact with them. We can forgive as long as we don't forget.
I think people are misdirecting some of their feelings about the Author/the story twist onto the characters.
Like others said, in-story everything about this makes perfect sense, including them attacking on sight.
The absurd coincidence of someone having the exact costume and build of the Calamity-template is so remote that it's only surpassed by the actual scenario, AMNESIA, i mean they don't work on soap opera protocols do they?
Like others said, in-story everything about this makes perfect sense, including them attacking on sight.
The absurd coincidence of someone having the exact costume and build of the Calamity-template is so remote that it's only surpassed by the actual scenario, AMNESIA, i mean they don't work on soap opera protocols do they?
- Location
- USA
Worse, it's anime. No sane individual can comprehend it.
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Kinruush
Who?
- Location
- USA
But what would you even do with them left "on the hook?" The only permanent damage they did was in the form of memories, so there's no specific repairs to be made. They're letting Taylor go with Perfect Storm. They can't exactly give her anything else on top of that. I don't doubt there'll still be hard feelings over being nearly murdered, but... so what?
No? Punishing mistakes just for the sake of punishing them is absurd. You evaluate the circumstances and choices that led to the mistake and determine how best to prevent repeats. They'll probably receive some form of punishment to demonstrate how Not Acceptable the mistake was and to show that the commander is taking this Seriously, but what point is there in punishing someone beyond that?
TSAB *is* a paramilitary organization focused towards policework and peace keeping. They aren't meant to fight a war (though they could if they have to, and is in fact pretty much the preeminent dimensional power in Nanohaverse with no equals).
Basically, the background of the formation of the TSAB is a series of wars called the Saint King Unification War which lasted centuries and saw the deployment of numerous WMDs and destruction of many planets and peoples across the multiverse. The TSAB and co.? Basically the rebuilding descendants of survivors of a apocalyptic war whose aftereffects are still being felt to this day (sentient warmachines and magitech from that era causing havoc once in a while for example). Its only recently that the organization wide PTSD ("NEVA AGAIN") has lost firm hold with the events of Nanoha Strikers anime. Mid-childa just happened to be one of the most intact worlds left by the time Saint King Olivie sacrificed herself to finally put an end to the madness.
Also, Enforcers like Teana and co. can be considered to be effectively, while on the field, saner 40k!Inquisitors or Mass Effect SPECTREs in terms of power and ability/legal authority.
They have limits but as long as they get results the TSAB gives quite a free reign on how they accomplish their tasks.
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Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
You seem to be jumping all over the place, I'm having a hard time figuring out what you're actually trying to tell me. Are you thinking I'm suggesting they be punished beyond the situation warrants? Are you saying that there shouldn't be any negative consequences for the TSAB team over this? You're sending me mixed signals here beyond 'I think you're wrong'.
- Location
- Illinois
I do not understand this viewpoint you're espousing. Sorry, but I really don't.
Kinruush
Who?
- Location
- USA
Your generalization, "The worst possible mistake deserves the worst consequences," does imply they'll be punished beyond what this situation warrants, and, more generally, it is wrong, so I'm arguing against both those things.
First, by saying "the worst possible mistake," you're implying that what they did here was on that level, which is ridiculous. Yes, they nearly killed an innocent girl, but there are so many compounding mitigating factors that treating the events as such doesn't make sense. The worst consequences I can imagine for the team involved would be arrest and imprisonment. Realistically, taking into account everything we know, they simply wouldn't deserve that.
More generally, you imply that mistakes need to be punished, and that they should be punished with a severity determined by the severity of the mistake. My argument is that mistakes should only be punished if the punishment would, in some way, prevent similar mistakes from occurring in the future, and only to the level necessary to do such.
Why are you even asking the second question, anyway? I clearly said that they'll be punished and implied that the only problem is going too far with the punishment.
Sure, "just" a man would likely be considered a liability going forward, from the cost of training "bad" reactions out of them, the PR backlash it would create, to the risk the retraining may never be sufficient if the reactions imply something about the person that could be difficult to correct (assuming you want to talk about "correcting" people's character)
But a magical super-cop literally worth 500 highly-trained men? It might be worth the investment. And the risk.
LancerisDead
Definitely not a cat
- Location
- Buenos Aires
Oookay, finally got to read the chapter, glad to see that thing are going on a sen...
...Sible manner.
Goddammit SV.
First and foremost, can we cut it with the pointless morality debate? It's going nowhere and simply has nothing to do with the decisions we should be making right now.
Second and more on topic, here's my ideas for Tim's build slots:
[] Build Device Programming Terminal.
[] Build Full Sensorial-Range Prosthetic Arm (Missy sized).
[] Build Communication Station and Array to be linked to Basic Artificial Intelligence.
-[] Have the Privateers acquire headsets and the like.
[] Buy Unison Device Skill.
@Silently Watches, I'm doubtful of the points in red. My thinking was that Danny seems to be out of the game for the foreseeable future the Privateers have lost one of their main advantages on combat. My idea is to set up a Command Center of sorts with a rudimentary AI to help coordinate.
...Sible manner.
Goddammit SV.
First and foremost, can we cut it with the pointless morality debate? It's going nowhere and simply has nothing to do with the decisions we should be making right now.
Second and more on topic, here's my ideas for Tim's build slots:
[] Build Device Programming Terminal.
[] Build Full Sensorial-Range Prosthetic Arm (Missy sized).
[] Build Communication Station and Array to be linked to Basic Artificial Intelligence.
-[] Have the Privateers acquire headsets and the like.
[] Buy Unison Device Skill.
@Silently Watches, I'm doubtful of the points in red. My thinking was that Danny seems to be out of the game for the foreseeable future the Privateers have lost one of their main advantages on combat. My idea is to set up a Command Center of sorts with a rudimentary AI to help coordinate.
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Altria_Pendragon
(Verified - SG-i13 Rhongomyniad)
- Location
- World's End Pillar
So firstly: "A Certain Magical Starfleet" I'm pretty sure aptly sums up the TSAB.
Secondly: 500 people? Should be either justified by IAE going off in a limited environment that contributed to that part of it being fried, or adjusted to be more similar to the average Simurgh fight. (500 people killed,
Secondly: 500 people? Should be either justified by IAE going off in a limited environment that contributed to that part of it being fried, or adjusted to be more similar to the average Simurgh fight. (500 people killed,
Archeo Lumiere
The Prince's Archivist
- Location
- Lumiose City, Kalos
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They/Them
So... I had a random idea for cheese in this quest.
Step 1: Post instructions for a spell on PHO, Guardian Beast preferred
Step 2: Have someone trend it, possibly one of Dragon's mod accounts, or Bagrat.
Step 3: Wait about a month
Step 4: Use Recursion Field
Step 5: Find everyone that is a civilian that made the cross
Step 6: Give them devices
Step 7: Repeat steps 4-6 in various other places across the world
Step 8: Profit!
Step 9: Repeat steps 1-8 across the other Earths
Step 10: More Profit!
Step 1: Post instructions for a spell on PHO, Guardian Beast preferred
Step 2: Have someone trend it, possibly one of Dragon's mod accounts, or Bagrat.
Step 3: Wait about a month
Step 4: Use Recursion Field
Step 5: Find everyone that is a civilian that made the cross
Step 6: Give them devices
Step 7: Repeat steps 4-6 in various other places across the world
Step 8: Profit!
Step 9: Repeat steps 1-8 across the other Earths
Step 10: More Profit!
Altria_Pendragon
(Verified - SG-i13 Rhongomyniad)
- Location
- World's End Pillar
So firstly: "A Certain Magical Starfleet" I'm pretty sure aptly sums up the TSAB.
Secondly: 500 people? Should be either justified by IAE going off in a limited environment that contributed to that part of it being fried, or adjusted to be more similar to the average Simurgh fight. (500 people killed, but over 2,000 converted?)
Secondly: 500 people? Should be either justified by IAE going off in a limited environment that contributed to that part of it being fried, or adjusted to be more similar to the average Simurgh fight. (500 people killed, but over 2,000 converted?)