...Oh dear. Those stages sound very nasty.
Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)
- Thread starter Silently Watches
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Here is my suggestion for the plan of attack
[]Plan Tower Defense
-[]Teleport to the PRT transport with Sam.
-[]Focus on protecting the area around the transport.
--[]Use Strong Shields to provide cover for the troops and heroes.
--[]Use Rust Shooters to take out the weapons the MS-13 mooks have.
--[]If any of Cadejo's dogs approach the defense, shoot them with lethal Flare Shooters in the teeth.
(We are focusing on protecting the heroes instead of taking revenge, but just give us an excuse mutt)
-[]Have Sam help out where she can and teleport any badly injured allies to safety.
-[]Don't worry about Winter Hill as long as they appear to be honoring the tentative truce and just fighting MS-13.
[x] MS-13 mooks
-[x] Rust shooter to take out their weapons
[x]After things settle mention to Miss Militia that the Privateer's have a Tinker that we've talked to about making a functional prosthetic for Vista.
Edit: Updating my Vote
[]Plan Tower Defense
-[]Teleport to the PRT transport with Sam.
-[]Focus on protecting the area around the transport.
--[]Use Strong Shields to provide cover for the troops and heroes.
--[]Use Rust Shooters to take out the weapons the MS-13 mooks have.
--[]If any of Cadejo's dogs approach the defense, shoot them with lethal Flare Shooters in the teeth.
(We are focusing on protecting the heroes instead of taking revenge, but just give us an excuse mutt)
-[]Have Sam help out where she can and teleport any badly injured allies to safety.
-[]Don't worry about Winter Hill as long as they appear to be honoring the tentative truce and just fighting MS-13.
[x] MS-13 mooks
-[x] Rust shooter to take out their weapons
[x]After things settle mention to Miss Militia that the Privateer's have a Tinker that we've talked to about making a functional prosthetic for Vista.
Edit: Updating my Vote
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I think you're getting a little ahead of where we need to be atm. Also, I don't think Strong Shield works as you suggest in this plan; that's what Shell Barrier is for.
ReaperofInterest
Herald of Disaster
[X] MS-13 mooks – They're the ones who have the PRT pinned down, after all.
-[X] Remain airbourne, you aren't staying on the ground where they could get at you.
-[X] Open up with nonlethal Homing Rust Shooter spam, set to lock onto their weapons. Disarm the lot of them and they'd have to retreat, freeing up the PRT to assist their capes with the other situations. If they continue to fight despite being disarmed, switch to Flare Shooters for knockout.
-[X] Consult with PRT forces regarding Cadejo. You could try to drag him into a Recursion Field so you could switch to wide area lethal energy attacks, but this will require that anyone vulnerable to high temperature plasma get out of the area first so they don't get dragged in. Go with their preferred plan of dealing with him.
-[X] Remain airbourne, you aren't staying on the ground where they could get at you.
-[X] Open up with nonlethal Homing Rust Shooter spam, set to lock onto their weapons. Disarm the lot of them and they'd have to retreat, freeing up the PRT to assist their capes with the other situations. If they continue to fight despite being disarmed, switch to Flare Shooters for knockout.
-[X] Consult with PRT forces regarding Cadejo. You could try to drag him into a Recursion Field so you could switch to wide area lethal energy attacks, but this will require that anyone vulnerable to high temperature plasma get out of the area first so they don't get dragged in. Go with their preferred plan of dealing with him.
Silently Watches
Professional Stalker
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Just so people know…
Recursion Field has a radius of 4 miles. It's meant to cover a city. The PRT/Protectorate would have a hard time getting vulnerable capes out of the way without the fight as a whole breaking down and everyone going their own way. I'd wind up ignoring this subvote as a result.
LancerisDead
Definitely not a cat
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Okay, this discussion is going nowhere. Can I ask that we take a step back and just consider the catastrophe we are walking into?
I'm probably stepping out of place, but may I ask for a moratorium? I think we need to discuss this more thoroughly if we don't want to shoot ourselves in the foot.
I'm probably stepping out of place, but may I ask for a moratorium? I think we need to discuss this more thoroughly if we don't want to shoot ourselves in the foot.
On which part? Deciding on who to go after first, or the detailed battle plans for when we get on-site?
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
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I just want to know why people are coming up with these involved plans when we've been told this is just us picking which batch of enemies we want to deal with first. We'll get more information when we get there, it would be wise to wait until then for us to decide an approach.
LancerisDead
Definitely not a cat
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- Buenos Aires
Kind of both? Going after the mooks doesn't make much sense, giving that we could easily take down Cadejo ourselves with Recursion Field, and the strategies are basically "Lethal Solar Wrath Everything", which is kind of a terrible idea.
I get that we are jumping into the situation without preparation, but that doesn't mean we are going blind.
For example, take Cadejo for instance:
It's not like Cadejo is weak against our lethal attacks, it's that they have the force to take him out of battle. It wouldn't finish him, simply force him to reform. Using Solar Wrath on lethal assumes either Cadejo's wolves are all grouped on the same place or we are willing to spray the battlefield with lethal levels of radiation and heat. Winter Hill is there because, need I remind, we are in A-Class truce. Firing upon them would at best sour relationships and at worst actively antagonize them. Flare Shooter is both quicker and more precise, allowing us to minimize friendly fire and keep firing near-continuously until he's dealt with.
Now, we know that the Winter Hill gang is deploying against the Mara and they aren't attacking the PRT escort stationed there; dropping Recursion Field would let us quickly get rid of the normals and ease police response, given that all capes accounted for would get pulled in. Going after the gang members would imply forgoing RF and simply letting a Lung that could easily be contained loose.
I'm not saying that this is how it's gonna go, but we just aren't planning. Whatever mistakes we make, they are better than if we just jump blindly.
- Location
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I'm personally against the Recursion Field. One of the big reasons why is because we don't know how the Winter Hill will react. If they suddenly have all their capes disappear the gang members might panic and start attacking the everyone. The Capes might mistake it for an attack and think we have violated the truce we asked for. Remember one of the E88 mooks triggered when we dragged all the capes into the RF last time we used that tactic. We don't want that to happen again.
If we could selectively chose which capes got pulled into the RF, I'd be all for dragging Cadejo in with us and taking him on one-on-one, but I don't think we have that type of control.
I think we need to figure out what our over all goal is in this conflict. Are we going in for revenge on Cadejo? Or to simply take out the gang? Or is it to protect the PRT transport?
If we could selectively chose which capes got pulled into the RF, I'd be all for dragging Cadejo in with us and taking him on one-on-one, but I don't think we have that type of control.
I think we need to figure out what our over all goal is in this conflict. Are we going in for revenge on Cadejo? Or to simply take out the gang? Or is it to protect the PRT transport?
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Always Late
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I thought that was more the Brutes charging in+E88 going poof.
Drive Cadejo and MS-13 off. Retribution can come later.
LancerisDead
Definitely not a cat
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@Nottheunmaker, @landcollector, @Scope, @UberJJK, @Shaseyu, @Bombastus.
Could I ask you to reconsider changing you vote? Going after the MS 13 mooks isn't the best use of our time.
Could I ask you to reconsider changing you vote? Going after the MS 13 mooks isn't the best use of our time.
Hm. I can understand wanting to go after Cadejo, I really can. But pulling in all the capes still leaves the PRT squaddies pinned down against the MS-13 mooks (and also possibly the Winter Hill mooks if they get any funny ideas). And we were initially contacted to help out with getting the squaddies away.
LancerisDead
Definitely not a cat
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I get that, but Cadejo is the not-so-metaphorical wolf in the room. He is a multyplying, intagible nigh-invulnerable changer: remember what happened last time? We got distracted and one of the wolves got to Vista; now take that situation and multiply it by however normals there are. Imagine trying to help them while fighting however wolves Cadejo splits into, plus the MS-13 mooks, plus Winter Hill.
Pulling him into Recursion Field may not help the troopers directly, but it will make it impossible for them to get munched by Wolfberian over there, as to where if we do use RF most of the capes area can at least manage not to die immediately.
Also, I don't expect Winter Hill to try anything. There is a truce for the Beasts and Typhon.
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- Kansas
I'd be okay going after Cadejo, but I really don't like the idea to use the Recursion Field in this situation.
LancerisDead
Definitely not a cat
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- Buenos Aires
Can I ask why? The entire battle seems like a mess already, and we are still hooked to the PRT console, we can drop them an early warning so they are not caught by surprise.
The radius of effect is 4 miles. There's a chance that we pull Typhon (and possibly the Beasts) along for the ride as well.
LancerisDead
Definitely not a cat
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And they will suddenly show up for the fight... why?
I mean, even more to my point, if they attack it wouldn't be because of RF, it'd only mean they were already on the way. That'd be the an even bigger clusterfuck that Recursion Field would just lessen.
I mean, even more to my point, if they attack it wouldn't be because of RF, it'd only mean they were already on the way. That'd be the an even bigger clusterfuck that Recursion Field would just lessen.
- Location
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The last time we used the Recursion Field we were able to explain to our allies what was going on before hand. This time, not only are they not expecting it, but there is a 3rd party here (Winter Hill) that we have no idea how they would react to it. I mentioned a few posts ago that pulling in the Winter Hill capes could result in that gang, both the powered and normals, panicking. With as chaotic as the situation likely is, we don't want an entire faction freaking out and doing who knows what as a result.
Also the only "hostile" that will be pulled into the field is Cadejo, while every heavy hitter on our side will also get pulled in. Remember we originally got the call before they knew Cadejo was at the battle. If we use the Recursion Field, the battlefield returns back to the way it was when we first got the call, only the Troopers no longer have cape support.
Also the only "hostile" that will be pulled into the field is Cadejo, while every heavy hitter on our side will also get pulled in. Remember we originally got the call before they knew Cadejo was at the battle. If we use the Recursion Field, the battlefield returns back to the way it was when we first got the call, only the Troopers no longer have cape support.
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Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
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... edale, I think you're missing the point again.
MS-13 already broke the truce.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
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No, and don't mass tag people like that. It's very rude.
Taking on the mooks at the transport is the correct course of action, for the simple reason that we don't know what's inside it, just that MS-13 is willing to throw enough bodies at it that the Protectorate is calling on every hero it has plus whatever friendies are available to deal with it. To me, that sounds like something we want to keep out of their hands.
You might say that the WH mooks that showed up are enough to tip the scales our way, but that assumes they're helping out the PRT, rather then killing off the MS goons before finishing off the troopers and taking the transport for themselves.
And finally Cadejo himself. He's here for the transport, same as the goons. I have no doubt in this. He's going to come after it, and I to waste time driving him off while MS makes off with the transport. If we had a way of capturing Cadejo that'd be a different story, that would be getting a dangerous cape either killed or sent to the birdcage, totally removing him from the picture. I'd be all for that. Alas, right now the best we can do is force him to retreat after busting his teeth. So he'd get away, and MS stands a good chance at taking the transport in the meantime. Not going to let that happen. We take care of the goons, then go after him.
Always Late
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And do the three Protectorate heroes have a method of dealing with Cadejo?