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Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

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globalwarmth said:
I'm happy with her behind the wall to be frank. Contained
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The only thing this will lead to is a guaranteed grudge if she ever gets out of BB. We have better things to do with our time, and focusing our efforts on Lisa out of paranoia about what she could do is not productive or wise.

We need to either backup the Heroes with the fighting, or go after Purity's group since they are much more dangerous in comparison to the Independent group.
 
Eh i say we go for one of the guaranteed combat targets: Kaiser or the ABB. At least that way we won't have to deal with the inevitable argument over whether it is right for us to imprison the civilians and nicer non-heroes when chances are the vast majority of them aren't going to be Ziz bombs. This also means we can just blow things up instead of the dealing with the almost guaranteed social/diplomacy that will occur with lisa or purity.
 
Corian said:
Eh i say we go for one of the guaranteed combat targets: Kaiser or the ABB. At least that way we won't have to deal with the inevitable argument over whether it is right for us to imprison the civilians and nicer non-heroes when chances are the vast majority of them aren't going to be Ziz bombs. This also means we can just blow things up instead of the dealing with the almost guaranteed social/diplomacy that will occur with lisa or purity.
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You cannot know this. A single human bomb can cause mass-disruptions to the world's Endbringer response, and with as many people trying to escape as there is, it's not going to be just one. And we can't scan for Ziz-control, so we either shoulder that burden or we intentionally let it slip and have more blood be on our hands down the line.
 
As far as I remember Lisa at the very least if not the rest of the underside is would never even close to Ziz. Meanwhile our ability to bind and long-range bombard is perfect for butcher. Let's face it there's going to be a dozen Heroes that are going to be more than willing to take kill shots on Nazis like Kaisers group.
 
I'm leaning towards hitting Kaiser with Samantha. We got powers suited to capturing him into Recursion Field for a takedown(his power fits the definition easily enough)

Danny is probably best assigned on the Independents, coordinating the PRT and national guard forces. Relatively few hard targets, lots of civilians to corral, and his power coordinating allies is a good combo. Everyone there goes down just fine to regular tranqs or rubber bullets IF their teamwork is up to scratch
 
Silently Watches said:
…Well, no, I suppose that isn't technically true.
  • Empire – Kaiser, Fenja, Hookwolf, Cricket, Stormtiger, Victor, Othala, Rune, a bunch of non-powered skinheads. Kaiser, at least, is a high-probability Ziz-bomb.
  • Purity – Purity, Night, Fog, Crusader, along with several families with kids and elderly.
  • ABB – Lung, Oni Lee, various thugs, and a small number of civilians. Currently squaring off against the Teeth and the Fallen simultaneously.
  • Independents – The Undersiders, Parian, Uber, Barker and Biter, a couple of unknown parahumans, the largest number of families.
  • Security – No villains, but a soft target for anyone with the bright idea to cause trouble.
These are your possible targets, but you and Samantha don't have to go after the same group. You can split up if you so desire.
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1. Empire - Big group of pretty powerful capes, but we can fly, so only Stormtiger and Rune can actually reach us... Othala can grant someone invulnerability, Kaiser can create bunker, Hookwolf can kill us, if we are not careful.
Heroes are fighting them.
Enemies could be isolated in Recursion Field. Except maybe Cricket and Victor.

2. Purity - flying artillery like us, and much more experienced, Crusader's ghost can fly too and can be annoyingly intangible.
Heroes are fighting them.
Enemies could be isolated in Recursion Field.
They go in opposite direction from Philly.

3. ABB - Butcher and Oni Lee are teleporters, they would be really annoying. We are probably immune to Valefor. We have stun setting to safely shoot them.
Heroes are fighting them, including Alexandria and Legend.
Enemies could be isolated in Recursion Field.
Worst case scenario: Lung not passed out from our first blast and in his rampage accidentally killed Butcher. Hilarity ensues.

4. Independents – easiest target. Probably no fliers and Blasters. Just shoot them from maximum distance and let others sort uncoscious bodies. Well, unless Grue's darkness disperse our blast. But is it Taylor's style to just shoot not-so-bad people?
Heroes may or may not fight them.
Enemies could be isolated in Recursion Field, but what if Bitch will end in the field and her dogs are not?

5. Security - ??? You mean secure base of operation, where Danny will be stationed?
May or may not be almost defenceless.

So, I think ABB should have first priority, Empire is close second.
We can try to send Sam against ABB/Empire, catch up with Independents, shoot them from max distance, teleport to Sam and attack ABB/Empire, but why bother?
 
Shaseyu said:
Enemies could be isolated in Recursion Field, but what if Bitch will end in the field and her dogs are not?
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I'm actually worried about the other way around, she's a Trump, not a Master, at least in the power sense. She grants her dogs power, and controls them via mundane methods. Lisa won't go, she's just a Thinker, but that makes her the largest threat. Jean Luc/Alec won't go, he's just a Master, and he's still pretty dangerous. Grue and Parian will go, as will most of the Faultline crew. The ones we're not worried about.
 
Vote 5.2

Good talk, everyone. As a hopefully unnecessary reminder, here are your potential targets.
  • Empire – Kaiser, Fenja, Hookwolf, Cricket, Stormtiger, Victor, Othala, Rune, a bunch of non-powered skinheads. Kaiser, at least, is a high-probability Ziz-bomb.
  • Purity – Purity, Night, Fog, Crusader, along with several families with kids and elderly.
  • ABB – Lung, Oni Lee, various Christmas-colored thugs, and a small number of civilians. Currently squaring off against the Teeth and the Fallen.
  • Independents – The Undersiders, Parian, Uber, Barker and Biter, a couple of potential new parahumans, the largest number of families.
  • Security – No villains, but the current base of operations is a soft target for anyone with the bright idea to cause trouble.
And thus your choices are:

[ ] Taylor: Empire
[ ] Taylor: Purity
[ ] Taylor: ABB
[ ] Taylor: Independents
[ ] Taylor: Security

[ ] Samantha: Empire
[ ] Samantha: Purity
[ ] Samantha: ABB
[ ] Samantha: Independents
[ ] Samantha: Security

Danny does not need a vote because he's going to stay at headquarters with the Thinkers, anyway. Most of the protection comes from the National Guardsmen stationed there, but if you want to leave one of your group as a bodyguard, Security is the way to go.

And since I got a good bit of push-back after the last vote, a question. For this split-up vote, and any others like it in the future, do you want me to go by the winning plan or the winning lines? For instance, if 40% of you here voted for Taylor to go after the Empire and Samantha to go after Purity while the other 60% of you voted for Taylor to stay security but split your votes evenly for Samantha to go after the Empire, the ABB, and the Independents, do you want the Empire/Purity plan to win or for me to tally the votes and have Taylor stay security?

[ ] Plan
[ ] Lines
 
Silently Watches said:
And since I got a good bit of push-back after the last vote, a question. For this split-up vote, and any others like it in the future, do you want me to go by the winning plan or the winning lines? For instance, if 40% of you here voted for Taylor to go after the Empire and Samantha to go after Purity while the other 60% of you voted for Taylor to stay security but split your votes evenly for Samantha to go after the Empire, the ABB, and the Independents, do you want the Empire/Purity plan to win or for me to tally the votes and have Taylor stay security?
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By Plan. It encourages cohesion, communication, and plan editing over further splitting the vote.
[X]Plan

[X]Plan Counter
-[X]Taylor: Purity
-[x]Samantha: ABB

Samantha can fly, use Recursion Field, WAS, has teleportation, can reduce damage resistance, is immune to any fire or radiation, and can't be Valefor'd. In short, she's perfect for anything Lung, Valefor, or the Butcher can dish out, even with the non-lethal qualification due to The Butcher.* I can't in good conscience let a mass of compromised civilian Ziz-bombs get away, as everyone's either on the Empire or the ABB/Fallen/Lung scuffle, so I'm picking Purity to deal with. We might be able to talk her down with the Linker Core option**, and Taylor is the best counter to the Villain!Legend. Recursion Field, speed, and firepower.

*Which Samantha can't even inherit.
**Because we did say we'd kill Lisa if we ever saw her again. So no diplomacy option there.
 
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[X] Taylor: Independents
[X] Samantha: Securit


Taylor is strong enough to intimidate but approchable enough to negociate the security of the refugees. Maybe she can stop them without violence, or at least without deadly force.

Let Samantha be our strategic reserve in case one of the other ops does not go as planned or if the villains try for a decapitating strike to screw up coordination.
 
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@BF110C4, your vote is inside your quote of SW.
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BF110C4 said:
[X] Taylor: Independents: Taylor is strong enough to intimidate but approchable enough to negociate the security of the refugees. Maybe she can stop them without violence, or at least without deadly force.
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Remember, we're dealing Lisa. We got explicitly told diplomacy and working with her was impossible after we promised to kill her.

BF110C4 said:
[X] Samantha: Security: Let Samantha be our strategic reserve in case one of the other ops does not go as planned or if the villains try for a decapitating strike to screw up coordination.
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Both Taylor and Samantha can teleport. We do not need to sit on hour hands as protection. If the base can be taken before anyone gets a call out, including the telepathy, then Samantha and Taylor aren't going to make much of difference in the face of that much overwhelming force.
 
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BF110C4 said:
[X] Taylor: Independents: Taylor is strong enough to intimidate but approchable enough to negociate the security of the refugees. Maybe she can stop them without violence, or at least without deadly force.

[X] Samantha: Security: Let Samantha be our strategic reserve in case one of the other ops does not go as planned or if the villains try for a decapitating strike to screw up coordination.
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Please format your votes as I showed in the post. You're free and encouraged to put your explanation below the votes themselves, but the way you have it now will just make it more time-consuming to tally, particularly as you also want the plan option.
 
[X] Taylor: Independents
[X] Samantha: Empire
[X] Lines

Mostly because I think it'd be interesting to see Tattletale again, and while she's self-serving, she might fill us in on the local situation. See if there's any catastrophes waiting to happen that would affect everyone.

Samantha vs. Empire because that seems like the battle where raw force will contribute most. Lung would just grow into a bigger threat if you add conflict to his battlefield, and the Butcher requires careful containment / some kind of silver bullet.
 
Always Late said:
I can't in good conscience let a mass of compromised civilian Ziz-bombs get away, as everyone's either on the Empire or the ABB/Fallen/Lung scuffle, so I'm picking Purity to deal with. We might be able to talk her down with the Linker Core option**, and Taylor is the best counter to the Villain!Legend. Recursion Field, speed, and firepower.
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Silently Watches said:
"Everybody was already going after those two groups or dealing with the Teeth and Fallen when a bunch more people came out and ran south. More families, but they had capes riding on big dog monsters with them. They didn't hurt anybody, which is more than I can saw for the others, but between the dogs and all the smoke one of them was spewing out, we couldn't get a clear shot."
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If I understand this correctly, heroes already fighting both Kaiser and Purity. And Triumvirate (Duumvirate?) figting ABB/Teeth.
So, if you really don't want to let Ziz-bombs go, we should attack Independents.

Also, we are not "counter" to Purity. Our abilities essentually the same.
 
[X] Line
[X][Taylor] Kill Lisa with Wide Area Search and a lethal snipe attack, then go talk down Purity.
[X][Samantha] Security

We made a promise. We should keep it.
 
I rechecked our conversation with Tattletale. We are not actually promise to kill her if we meet again.
Sam promise to kill her if she try to hurt Taylor:
Silently Watches said:
"If you attempt to hurt her, you will have to deal with me, and I am much nastier than she. She would be content throwing you in prison. I would gut you and leave you as a feast for the crows."
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[X] Taylor: Independents
[X] Samantha: Empire
 
Lisa has a grudge against us and is too dangerous to let free. We also don't really have time for her. We should hit hard and fast, then get out and deal with the flying nuke.
 
landcollector said:
Do you not remember that we parted on exceedingly poor terms and she likely wants nothing to do with us? I like Lisa and all, but the playerbase already nuked the bridge here.
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I remember. I didn't vote with the intention to befriend her, I just think it has tactical value to borrow Tattletale's thinkmeats, or at least see what game she tries to play. If she doesn't cooperate at all, we at least learn there's probably no overwhelming city-wide crisis waiting to happen. Like, I dunno, Ziz messed with the aquifer and the city's gonna be ocean soon.
 
[X] Taylor: Empire
[X] Samantha: Empire

[X] Plan

I think in this case we're best focusing on one of the threat groups. The Empire is the one strong enough to deal with any of the PRT's forces without SERIOUS focused firepower...and we got that.
I'd rather not increase the chaos down the ABB route with the Butcher there. Lung and the Butcher alike are problems that are relatively localized and disorganized.

Kaiser is NOT disorganized.
 
Shaseyu said:
If I understand this correctly, heroes already fighting both Kaiser and Purity. And Triumvirate (Duumvirate?) figting ABB/Teeth.
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The dude didn't say anything about the break-off group being pursued. The fact that it's a break-off I thought a big enough indication that it's not getting any people on it.
@Silently Watches, can you clarify on this.
Shaseyu said:
Also, we are not "counter" to Purity. Our abilities essentually the same.
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Actually, we are.
We can keep up with her speed, isolate her, equal or exceed her fire power, and have more utility than her. Ring Bind and Temporal Sludge, remember?
Shaseyu said:
I rechecked our conversation with Tattletale. We are not actually promise to kill her if we meet again.
Sam promise to kill her if she try to hurt Taylor:
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Diplomacy with Lisa and the Undersiders is still nuked.
Lyova said:
If she doesn't cooperate at all, we at least learn there's probably no overwhelming city-wide crisis waiting to happen. Like, I dunno, Ziz messed with the aquifer and the city's gonna be ocean soon.
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I fail to see the link here.
 
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