Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%
  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%
  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%
  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%
  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%
  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%
  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%

  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
Wait so what was the goal of the bone serum I thought we were selling it to the military
The bone serum was originally planned as a cure for various bone issues. While it can (and will probably be) weaponized by us for us to use it for anything but to make bone monsters it needs to...well not make bone monsters. The problem is using Moon on an action takes the choices that do that off of the table because Moons not interested in that. He likes grotesque and disturbing stuff.

Moons' ok for actually weaponizing stuff but for making stuff marketable he's crap. Add that his general low co op scores and how he's likely contributing to Karl's mental instability makes him a not so good hero unit.
 
Wait so what was the goal of the bone serum I thought we were selling it to the military
Even without focused bio engineering development to create living weapons, the Serum still has vast benefits to durability, strength, and regenerating from wounds, besides the medical aspects. Instead of something the military can only use for expendable shock teams or deniable massacres, entire battalions could be formed depending on the potential compatibility margin.

Combined with Exosuits focused more on offensive and mobility aspects rather than durability, and you have a solid winning combo for an elite special military division built around two products Lexcorp sells. Their is likely still some work left to raise compatibility margins and finish adjusting the serum to minimize potential for unseemly body alterations, but once that's done we'll be able to proceed.

Best of all, since we'll be unveiling the Serum as a medical treatment, Eiling can be coached to label it politically as taking care of the troops who have lost much on america's behalf and make it harder to label or push as engineering supersoldiers to the general public.
 
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Best of all, since we'll be unveiling the Serum as a medical treatment, Eiling can be coached to label it politically as taking care of the troops who have lost much on america's behalf and make it harder to label or push as engineering supersoldiers to the general public.
The military might also be able to pull a little bit of good PR by paying for the medical treatment of people with preexisting issues who want to serve. A before and after photo of some poor kid with a spine issue next to a big muscular bone man would be a heck of a recruitment ad.
 
I think that for the Bone Serum subvote, choosing options that help humanity helps with Karl's sanity and reduces his feelings of guilt. Combat application upgrades would fuel Karl's desire to test it on himself (his need for revenge).

Or it could be the other way around, he wants to change his body no matter what and sees the marketable stuff as useful, but not his true end goal and it will fuel his desire to keep improving the formula.

It would be interesting to see what benefits Enoch and Arthur are adding to it. I'm hoping we did well enough to select a few different modifications.
 
I think that for the Bone Serum subvote, choosing options that help humanity helps with Karl's sanity and reduces his feelings of guilt. Combat application upgrades would fuel Karl's desire to test it on himself (his need for revenge).

Or it could be the other way around, he wants to change his body no matter what and sees the marketable stuff as useful, but not his true end goal and it will fuel his desire to keep improving the formula.

It would be interesting to see what benefits Enoch and Arthur are adding to it. I'm hoping we did well enough to select a few different modifications.
Enoch, having created his own "Growth Serum" which safely causes animals to grow to giant sizes reliably and without health complications or body distortions, probably helps with preventing deviations in appearance and increasing broad compatibility.

Villain is efficiency, excellent organization of lesser doctors and scientists and bringing the whole thing together to produce something profitable, maybe keeping Karl focused and working towards the goal outlined rather than lost in his grief and rage.

Also, it occurs to me that developing Bone serum as a cure for numerous bone and muscle related illnesses gives us a solid win over Wayne Industries curing Nora's illness.
 
Of course weather it can cure/manage myositis ossificans is another question entirely.

But as a do-it-yourself Instant Plastic Surgery kit for espionage agents to have multiple legal identities, it would work.
 
Cold Company
So I don't fully love this omake. I do think I need to stop with the perfectionism and just release something. I do think this could be further refined and it's a little short for my usual omake lengths but I think this is fun for what it is and extending it onwards would be a pain both for you and for me. That being said I do think the moment I picked was good and I enjoyed trying to plot this one out. I cut and recut and rewrote this quite a few times but it's finally finished. For those who were wondering this was linked with the "Urban Commando" entry in the fanart contest and the entry in question can be found under the media tab as "Security Captain Leonard Snart and Mick Rory Exosuit". I could ramble on forever but I imagine people would appreciate it more if I wrapped things up here and just got to the omake in question.

Cold Company
Andrew Bowland
Everything had gone to shit today. Nobody expected Intergang to conduct a full blown terrorist attack with giant robots of all things. Yeah LexCorp produced some weird sci-fi gadgets and shit but giant robots were well out of the usual paygrade. Of course at the same time there were all the little threats for people to take down. Andrew hid behind cover as he readied himself to fire at the oncoming Intergang terrorists, the black and green armor they wore, made them stand out a fair bit but they were easy enough to put down with a few well aimed shots. Say what you will about the viability of laser weaponry but it seemed to work.

LexCorp had naturally retaliated to having their city threatened. Andrew couldn't pilot an exosuit but he saw them getting applied in droves. It was a practical warzone in the streets nowadays and Andrew just hoped he'd be able to make it out of this shitshow alright. Andrew was interrupted from his musing when he saw a few Intergang goons managing to flank him. He turned and fired at them, managing to drop two of them but the third one managed to get a lucky shot in, hitting him in the hand and causing him to drop his weapon. Andrew cursed as he dropped his weapon. Fuck that shit hurt. Worse still he was likely dead. If Intergang had decided to commit to what was basically invading a city and mass terrorism, they probably weren't going to hesitate to kill downed opposition.

Andrew readied himself for what was to come, but as he closed his eyes, it wasn't the bark of gunfire that he heard next, but rather what sounded like an explosion mixed with cursing. He opened his eyes and saw that the remaining Intergang goons had been hit by what looked like some kind of ice grenade and were struggling to break free. There were a few flashes of light and soon the Intergang members were all dead on the street.

Andrew turned to face whoever had saved him. The man wore shiny blue armor over what appeared to be a black undersuit. The collar of the whole thing looked like it was fur lined and the man had aviator shades on that made it difficult to tell what he was thinking. The slightly annoyed expression on his face showed just how done he was with today and honestly, Andrew could relate.

"You good?" The other man grunted as Andrew picked his gun back up. Andrew chose to take that as definitive proof that whoever this was, he was a good guy.

"Yeah I made it out, Intergang shot stings like a motherfucker, but I'll survive and be able to keep fighting" Andrew lightly answered back before asking his own question "You expect something like this to happen today?"

"No but I wasn't expecting great things in general" the man groused "Terrorist attacks are a bit outside what I was expecting to be my paygrade"

"Can't complain too much when it comes to you, you just got to do the job and muddle on" Andrew responded which got a brief smirk out of the other man.

"I'm Andrew Bowland" Andrew then further elaborated.

"Leonard Snart" The other man replied. Andrew had never met the guy before but he had heard a little bit about Snart. An ex-crook who'd gotten to jump past the usual process of getting a higher rank thanks to the connections his sister got him. Well Andrew couldn't bitch about it too much as Snart had just saved his life.

The two of them continued to move through the city, making sure that the rest of the group had made it out alive. There wasn't too much need to talk at this point, though Leonard quickly took point and ran the group. Andrew couldn't help but think that Leonard had probably earned his spot through something more than just nepotism. The urban commando look made him stand out and people listened to him when he spoke. Every movement was precise and the squad stuck together and took down whatever Intergang forces were arrayed before them.

Slowly but surely they took down any threat that might've crossed their paths, regularly communicating with the higher ups and making sure they knew what their next objectives were. Leonard might've been an ex-con but he was a damn good squad leader as well. Even when the Blue Blur had shown up, Leonard hadn't let it rattle him too bad, making the moves the team needed to both get shit done and come out of things in one piece.

Everything had gone to shit today, but under Leonard's leadership Andrew had managed to make it out and actually make a difference. Cool, calm and collected meant that Andrew and the rest of the security forces were never left scrambling after an encounter and always knew the gameplan moving forwards.

After the fight had finally been ended, Andrew had gone up to thank Leonard for the help, which Leonard had dismissed as just doing his job. Andrew had then joked that if there ever was another invasion of Metropolis he wanted to be under Leonard's command again.

"I'm not going to complain about an extra body between me and whatever lunatics show up" Leonard joked "But don't go telling anyone about any of this. I'm just here to do my job, nothing more nothing less"

Andrew liked Leonard. In a lot of ways he was the ideal squad leader. Over time Leonard opened up and tried organizing all sortso f events and such and Andrew found himself joining in from time to time, loosely getting to know Mick Rory and Sam Scudder as well simply by continued association with Leonard Snart. Andrew never talked about wanting to work with Leonard if shit hit the fan again, that wasn't a request that was likely to be accommodated and there was no need to put Leonard on the spot when the other guy clearly didn't want any more attention from the higher ups than he absolutely had to get.

Of course two years later when some kind of crazy robot army attacked Metropolis, Andrew was exceedingly happy that Leonard had remembered that conversation all the way back when. Shit sucked, but when fighting got bad, Andrew always wanted to be in Leonard's squad.
 
So what's the schedule looking like now that I've got this out of the way? Results part 3 is being worked on but likely will not land until the 30th at the earliest. The Gemworld interlude is also being worked on but it'll almost certainly land later as its lower priority. I'm also just working on stuff that's kind of fun for me in the moment.

Lastly I'll ask, is there a character you want me to add to the informational thread about portrayal in other media? I tried to stick mostly to the most relevant characters but I haven't covered even close to half of the characters in "other encountered characters" and I want to know if there's someone who has popped up who people would appreciate having a little more background on.
 
Tentatively, I'm fine with the recruitment of historical figures as hero units through sufficiently advanced necromancy but some things are off limits and are contextual. Generally your safer with older figures and if it's not actively blasphemy to some religion to have a depiction of them (Maybe I'm a coward but Jesus, Siddhartha Gautama, Mohammad and the like will not be appearing in the quest).
Makes sense. Sufficient holy mojo might very well make necromancy against those targets effectively impossible.

See also the impossibility of making Don Hall into a Black Lantern.
 
Sure, DC was 7 before we got the transit station so it's probably like, 4 at most now, likely less. That said, for next turn we should just have Fixit on it by himself so he can guarantee us a 25 point success.
Makes sense, we could also theoretically put Turgo on another low DC Learning action just to get some use of him even if not much.
Oh I wasn't wanting to recruit actual real life people I was thinking about dead DC comics characters. For example Professor Merson the guy who invented War Wheels.
Eh we kinda have a policy of not involving ourselves with Nazis. Though that does raise the question, is using necromancy to resurrect and enslave a Nazi scientist considered pro-Nazi or anti-Nazi?
I think the solution is proliferation. Make LMD derived servant robots common enough that people don't automatically assume it's a LexCorp affiliated model. That has it's own problems in that some people will probably actually use them like LMDs. But if we're going the humanoid robot route that was going to be an issue anyway.
That could work though again it runs into the issue of anyone smart enough to read between the lines would know what we could do with that technology plus it would take us a long time to reach that level of proliferation, long after Marie had undergone her own robotic conversion.

In addition I imagine it might negatively impact people's willingness to undergo RC if the body they're being uploaded into is largely considered a servant class.
That is the other option. Let the man go do the work he craves for Vertigo in return for him undergoing appearance altering Surgery and allowing us to fake his leaving the company and eventual death. I'm fine with with either, though admittedly would prefer to keep Bialya and Queen Bee as clean as plausible, but my investment in arguing for either approach is limited.
I kinda feel like faking his death is unnecessary.

Moon isn't a particularly well known figure and nobody is going to be especially suspicious about him leaving LexCorp, that's assuming that anyone even notices. If anything I feel like going through all the hassle of faking his death would just draw more attention and open us up to more danger than just "A random LexCorp scientist was let go today."
Having Moon work on it was a major mistake.
Eh to be completely fair while he is a pain in the ass and he definitely skewed the results table he was the only other biologist we had and we did manage to get it like 70% done with his help.

It wasn't our best decision but it also wasn't a disaster IMO.
The bone serum was originally planned as a cure for various bone issues. While it can (and will probably be) weaponized by us for us to use it for anything but to make bone monsters it needs to...well not make bone monsters. The problem is using Moon on an action takes the choices that do that off of the table because Moons not interested in that. He likes grotesque and disturbing stuff.

Moons' ok for actually weaponizing stuff but for making stuff marketable he's crap. Add that his general low co op scores and how he's likely contributing to Karl's mental instability makes him a not so good hero unit.
Even without focused bio engineering development to create living weapons, the Serum still has vast benefits to durability, strength, and regenerating from wounds, besides the medical aspects. Instead of something the military can only use for expendable shock teams or deniable massacres, entire battalions could be formed depending on the potential compatibility margin.
It's also worth keeping in mind that even once the standard version of the formula is finished, providing various health benefits and a not insignificant increase to strength and regeneration, we can continue working on more specified versions with their own combat capabilities.

Though ideally less "horrific bone monster" and more Kimimaro from Naruto or Spyke from X-Men Evolution.
Lastly I'll ask, is there a character you want me to add to the informational thread about portrayal in other media? I tried to stick mostly to the most relevant characters but I haven't covered even close to half of the characters in "other encountered characters" and I want to know if there's someone who has popped up who people would appreciate having a little more background on.
It may be useful for some people to have sections for Selina and Killer Croc to highlight how different they are from their usual interpretations for those less familiar?
 
Could you do a info on the group Selena's leading if not I would be interested in a firefly one
Technically I can't do that as there's no comic book equivalent, the "Menagerie gang" is more or less something I came up with. The closest I can get is that I think Selina became a mob boss for a little bit in the New 52 before they gave up on that, and there was a one off team up of animal villains called "the Menagerie". In fact the name "Menagerie" in DC comics most often refers to a pair of characters who are often associated with Manchester Black, a Superman villain.

That being said I'll cover Catwoman and a good number of Gotham rogues so there should be some clarification.

Edit: I'll also say right now, I can think of four different individuals who have had the Firefly identity so I'm going to cover things very broadly for stuff that's applicable to all of them.
 
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Eh we kinda have a policy of not involving ourselves with Nazis. Though that does raise the question, is using necromancy to resurrect and enslave a Nazi scientist considered pro-Nazi or anti-Nazi?
Well I was just using Merson as an example.
That could work though again it runs into the issue of anyone smart enough to read between the lines would know what we could do with that technology plus it would take us a long time to reach that level of proliferation, long after Marie had undergone her own robotic conversion.
Yeah, if we start selling the things it's going to be a problem no matter what. But we also have to remember we're not the only person with access to human like robot's Toyman, T.O. Morrow and whoever's Swept up any H.I.V.E Remnants all have access to human like robots. If we play our cards right we could reach the level of proliferation needed before it becomes a problem. Especially if we make liberal use of implanted bombs.

In addition I imagine it might negatively impact people's willingness to undergo RC if the body they're being uploaded into is largely considered a servant class.
That's a job for Lexcorps marketing department to fix. But a possible off the top of my head is to have the "innards" of the RC's be of better quality. And to make sure the servant robots aren't usually super customizable but a series of set templates. So the RC's aren't going to be looking at themselves and thinking "servant bot".

Though I guess we'd have to make sure the materials to modify them are easy enough to get ahold of that someone could modify one to hide our own drone's. Unless we want to stick to using "reprogrammed" servant bot's and people we've faked RCing.
 
So heads up, I've added a bunch of Gotham villains to the list of how they are presented in other media. I didn't get all of them but if there's anymore people are interested in, let me know and I'll add some more to the informational post to try and make it a more useful tool for people looking for "hey who's this character" in a few sentences. It's not complete overviews but it is helpful I think.
 
So on the whole "customizeable waifu" thing, I just had a very disturbing thought that might affect people's opinion one way or another. You know who's likely to become a fairly attractive prominent female celebrity figure and thus would likely fit the bill of someone people would want to have an LMD "waifu" of? Cassandra Luthor.

You open that floodgate and in ten or so years time, Cassandra might need to deal with some rather uncomfortable ramifications of this decision.
You never know with the posters. In one Star Wars thread, despite having access to old and proven Stormtrooper templates, the thread decided to clone the faction's female leader en masse. Hilarity ensued.

Knowing our Cassandra, she'd consider a situation like that somehow useful for her own advantages.
 
You never know with the posters. In one Star Wars thread, despite having access to old and proven Stormtrooper templates, the thread decided to clone the faction's female leader en masse. Hilarity ensued.

Knowing our Cassandra, she'd consider a situation like that somehow useful for her own advantages.
I kind of want to see this thread if you don't mind sharing a link.

Additionally I'll say that while I could see Cassandra finding the situation to have advantages and potentially liking some aspects of the situation with LMDs, I can't see her being too happy about all of the things someone might use a "customizable waifu" LMD of her for. Stuff like programming the robot duplicate of her to act like a submissive maid or to be a giddy airhead who's madly in love with the owner would probably stick in her craw a bit no matter how she spins it in her head. She could deal with it and take advantage of it, but I don't think Cassandra would fully be happy with that sort of thing.

Edit: If people remember the "valley girl Cassandra" from the True Brit bad ending omake I wrote, that's something I could see some one programming into an LMD only it's played straight. I just can't see Cassandra being happy with people owning what are more or less porn parodies of herself even if she could take advantage of the fact.
 
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I sure as heck don't see Lex Luthor of all people taking the idea of selling robot copies of his prized heir as defacto slaves that well.

Frankly the idea of any robots he sells being used as defacto sex slaves is the kind of thing that would destroy his image with women to the point that I can see a number of female hero units quitting over the debacle. It's a silly idea, to put it politely.

I don't see the Life Model Decoys being sold commercially that widely to begin with, there's just too much potential for misuse and the resulting legal and PR loads of nastiness to land on Lexcorp and Luthor directly. Some comic business tycoons wouldn't care, Lex definitely would.

Doombots are for Doom!
 
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I sure as heck don't see Lex Luthor of all people taking the idea of selling robot copies of his prized heir as defacto slaves that well.

Frankly the idea of any robots he sells being used as defacto sex slaves is the kind of thing that would destroy his image with women to the point that I can see a number of female hero units quitting over the debacle. It's a silly idea, to put it politely.

I don't see the Life Model Decoys being sold commercially that widely to begin with, there's just too much potential for misuse and the resulting legal and PR loads of nastiness to land on Lexcorp and Luthor directly. Some comic business tycoons wouldn't care, Lex definitely would.

Doombots are for Doom!
Yeah I can agree that's asking for trouble I can't see lex even taking a risk to piss off half his hero units it would be better just to use the life model decoys for when we want to go into dangerous country's to to recruit and not be at risk because a robot copy is doing it for us but we might need to upgrade the AI
 
You never know with the posters. In one Star Wars thread, despite having access to old and proven Stormtrooper templates, the thread decided to clone the faction's female leader en masse. Hilarity ensued.

Knowing our Cassandra, she'd consider a situation like that somehow useful for her own advantages.
I actually remember that one it was a star wars quest she was the leader of a unknown region faction or the empire can't remember but she got a success on the roll for cloning pods and instead of cloning the jango Fett Gene or any of the other Martial ones the players thought it be funny for her to clone her self i got off after that I found the decision to idiotic but now when I look for it i can't find it
 
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