It's a Girl's World -- And Lilly wants Adventure

Yeah. The idea that it is a women's duty to serve a man, enforced by this kind of ethos, is horrible. But a more general housework ethos is fairly reasonable. I mean, it is useful. The problem is the idea it would be a duty to serve a husband with this ethos.
 
This is a bad assumption to make when you can find out that a map was used from nearly the beginning.

It is more likely that the road isn't straight.
Due east is very much the impression from "1.5 Welcome to Harumph", although admittedly it wasn't like the twists and turns were being described. The "northern woods" was also when Lilly was at home, so no twisty road there. Perhaps there are woods too sparse to be shown on the map?

(Addendum: rereading, Lilly was expecting to get two things done between midnight and morning so... the estimates might actually be 2x? Dunno.)
 
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Chapter is written but is an absolute monster of a thing in both size and technical content. Who knows how long edits will take.

Evie: Ah, there you are! Welcome to the Dreamspace! So, I've finally leveled up enough to put sentences together, and boy do we have a lot to discuss. Interesting choice with [Bedrock]; I thought for sure you were going to go with [Sorcerer]. Let's see, where should we start? The fact that you are now a Core of a Dungeon like the one that corrupted your father? The fact that you aren't quite human anymore? Or maybe we should talk about your lineage which your mother neglected to mention all these years-

Lilly: I'm waking up now. *opens eyes*

Captain Martin: Ah, there you are! Welcome home, Lilly. We've managed to stop the dungeon from spitting out armies of wolves, and boy do we have a lot to discuss. Good work on negating the bear's reflection; that was a surprising amount of technical prowess. Let's see, where should we start? The fact that you'll now be doing training everyday with experts monitoring any developments? The fact that the Lore Warden is now launching a campaign to try to "claim" you so that he can get credit for assigning you? Or maybe we should talk about how your father's in a coma, which negates most of your traditional protections and possibly has your mother looking for a new husband-

Lilly: I want to go back to sleep now.
 

Greybeard: And thus is your power, and thus is your quest, Dragonborn. It is most unfortunate to place such a burden on one so young, but the dragons are returning to this world, and it is upon you to stop it.

Lilly: So, to clarify, I am in a position to gain exponentially more power than most people alive, and everyone's okay with it? Like, nobody's going to try to kill me for "simply" being the Dragonborne?

Greybeard: …Apart from agents of the dragons themselves, no. Many even will venerate your coming as a protector of the realms. There are those who would hunt any who cross their path, such as bandits and monsters, and few will abide one who actively works against them…

Lilly: But nobody's hunting me just for being born, got it. And you said that there are techniques and training I, the Dragonborne, can specifically use to understand my power.

Greybeard: Yes, we have much recorded lore and the examples of the Dragonborn that came before. Some secrets will only be obtained by delving dungeons and absorbing the souls of dragons-

Lilly: But I've at least got a starting point, and being an adventurer's already part of the job description. Finally, is bearing a child considered the absolute highest purpose of my existence?

Greybeard: …N-no, the heritage of the Dragonborn is not necessarily a function of lineage, maintaining your family line is not a…duty that is asked of you. But understand, turning back the tide of a new Age of Dragons is a monumental task-

Lilly: Oh, you had me at "not forced to have babies." Let's do this!
 
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Lilly: I have to eat a being's immortal soul? And everyone else is fine with this? I knew this world couldn't be perfect.
Given how hard this world wouldn't be pushing her berserk buttons, I think that's gonna be more like...

"I have to eat a being's immortal soul? And everyone else is fine with this? Meh, close enough."
 
[Picks up The Book of the Dragonborn]

"Damn, still can't read."

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"I don't understand what it is I'm doing here, miss," shivered the fur-coated figure. Lilly, uncaring, adjusted her head's angle, crouching down towards a point in the entrance's frame.

"I told you already, Borum," she eventually echoed back at him. "You're my readership."

His shivering actually stopped, for a moment. "Wh-when you approached me with th-this offer, I was expecting stories, or a proofreading assignment o--or something."

"And there will be many," Lilly reassured between repositonings. "If there's one thing I learned since traveling to this world, it's how many random items, page fragments and minutiae can be found in any unlikely location. I almost missed an essential document just passing through a town's escape tunnels, fleeing a dragon. Ignorance is death, and so a readership is an essential part of any adventuring party."

Borum gaped at the girl. This was not what he had signed up for.

She seemed to detect his indignation, and finally glanced at him in full, a small smirk lining her face. "It's fine, Borum. I never asked about your combat readiness, or your wilds experience, because they weren't necessary. You can stay out here if you'd like," she waved him off, turning back, and suddenly--

"Woah!" he was a lot warmer. And immediately aware of the girl's attentions: what she was looking at, how her arms and legs were shifting, how her essence extruded into the entrance's locking mechanism--

The door slid open. Lilly stood up with a satisfied sigh, dusting herself off. The special division of stormcloaks split off from their main army, rendezvousing to relieve their impromptu ex-bandit divisi--wait, there were bandits?

Lilly shrugged. "I'm hardly about to explore a dangerous ruin in isolation. Learned that lesson early enough. My powers have always been geared toward the synergy of the masses towards their greater purposes. Purposes like the stormcloaks' {REDACTED IN CASE OF MIND READERS}."

She sighed, her smile shining but somehow noticeably wavering within the connection. "Unfortunately, it seems that literacy is as rare a skill in this world as it was in my own. Which is kind of surprising considering the book fragments everywhere, but it is what it is. You can stay outside here, where Backup Squadrons C and D will be setting up their base camp." She grinned, and this time there was no hesitation. "Or, you can follow Squadrons A and B into the villain's lair, and have yourself a true adventure."

Borum didn't know what he was thinking when he accepted. Especially when Lilly herself consulted her Branch Predictor and stayed behind.

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Another thirty meters and you would have been in the spider's lair, surrounded. But you saw the SPIDER FARM glyphs, and because you could read them everyone else could as well.

"RAGH!" the eight swordsmen leaped forward, cutting down the Mother Spider's legs in one simultaneous swoop. The others were already setting torches upon the eggs.

"First battle, eh?" a thin rearguard patted you on the back, in good cheer from the steady progress. "Fear not, Master Reader; this campaign's been a nice, relaxing break. Not like our usual."

"The young man's got it right, Cyn," a larger, more grizzled veteran grumbled. "Battlefield's no place to be distracted. Even if this barely counts, doesn't change the fact that these crawlies can kill."

He muttered, "essence healing helps with a lot, but not death; not yet."

"I just wish I knew what the Dragonborn was doing," someone else opined.

They knew where she was, striding the mountainside with one of the Backup Squadrons. What they didn't know was why. And, so said the veterans, she didn't know either.

"It's those damned precog powers," Cyn sighed. "Oooh, so mysterious. They have to know why they advised her to go that way, right, but they aren't telling. What arses."

...

There was a moment of panic, and then the castle exploded outwards.

Squadron A barely had time to brace, before the backblast rudely threw them against the wall. The initial vacuum would have popped their lungs, had essence not flooded through their connection in anticipation.

"Undead," Lilly sighed. "Need to learn not to freak out from undead. Good thing I didn't explode the castle from the inside."
 
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I wonder, would Evie be freaked out about the Maw eating the world, or just glad to be somewhere she couldn't be eaten?
 
I wonder, would Evie be freaked out about the Maw eating the world, or just glad to be somewhere she couldn't be eaten?

Well, I believe Evie's main plan was to stick around with Lilly for her natural lifespan to "wait for this to blow over," and it's hard to say if she was really invested in…anyone else when she made the jump, so there's a chance moving to Skyrim is considered "a win". The main drawback is that after Lilly dies, she's going to have to meet her "new neighbors", the Divines and the Daedric Princes, to figure out where she's going to fit into everything. Evie's never been a bruiser, she's been a talker, and she's used to knowing who all the players are and what they respond to. Trying to mix with a whole new crowd with millennia of shared history that she hasn't lived through might be tougher than anticipated.

Lilly, of course, has just left her family in a destitute situation and will probably want to get back as soon as possible even without the End of All Things threatening to consume all she ever cared about.
 
I shall now suggest the possibility of her going through the main quest as quickly as possible before spending the rest of her possibility immortal life in Winterhold college, with the occasional break to go heroing
 
1. Nations in this world are VERY slow to pivot.

During World War II, the U.S. had to adapt its industry and professions in order to mobilize for war. Factories switched from producing civilian goods to making bullets and tanks, farm boys had to train to become paratroopers, and the women had to take up some of the factory jobs. Trying to replicate such a move when everybody picks what they want to do for the rest of their lives when they are 12? Utterly disastrous. It's not like a Farmer can "take a few levels in Soldier", their Ethos only levels up when following their profession, and "a Dagger, try as it might, will never effectively do the work of an Axe." Any kingdom caught by surprise would have to rely on either the more esoteric skills of the more common classes (i.e. True Song in a [Brave Blood]), or they will need to shell out cash to those half-crazed adventurers. This will hopefully buy enough time to convince a bunch of 12-year-olds to reconsider their career paths and wait for them to grow and mature...and that might be too long to wait.
This might be a good argument for every nation having to maintain a strong martial tradition, if not large standing armies of the sort that our world didn't see until much later. The problem is feeding them with medieval tech, but maybe ethos farmers are a whole lot more efficient.

Or maybe every nation just uses martial ethos holders as elites and trainers, while the majority of armies are still conscripted farmers whose ethos abilities don't help at all. Sheer weight of bodies does matter, even if it's not nice being one of the bodies.
 
"So I lied," Lilly shrugged. "I'm not actually the Dragonborn."

The God gazed back in disbelief. Of all the boisterous claims she might have made, she chose this one? "Do you take me for a fool? What do you think happened to all those dragons?"

"Oh, they're all mine now." A shimmer disappeared, and Alduin noticed an alarming speck over the horizon. "I have something far more valuable than the ability to eat souls: the patience to talk to people and address their grievances. [My Resolution, Thy Bedrock] helps too, of course."

"The Cult is at your command, my lady!"

Her neck muscles tightened, before they were forced to relax. She would not allow those people to sour her victory this day.

Alduin, unable to quite get out the right words, choked and sputtered. "You can use the Voice of the Dragon!" he protested.

"Yeah, Evie is pretty good at reverse-engineering other powers."

"The Thu'um is not something to be reverse-engineered!" Alduin roared, almost shouting his point, though not actually shouting.

Lilly dropped back to the ground, regaining her composure.

"I suppose it doesn't matter what you think." She pulled a wooden staff from behind her back and rested it on the ground, a solemn expression on her face. "World-Eater, you have strayed from your rightful ethos--although, given the name of said ethos, I might be having words with it also. You won't die, of course--that would be counterproductive to your recovery--but you will find yourself again." Her smile turned kind. "Even if it takes a thousand years, I'll find the time to help you."

The clanging of the gates abruptly unsilenced. The soldiers of the Draconic-Nord Alliance flew into the fortress airspace.
 
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Or maybe every nation just uses martial ethos holders as elites and trainers, while the majority of armies are still conscripted farmers whose ethos abilities don't help at all. Sheer weight of bodies does matter, even if it's not nice being one of the bodies.

On the one hand, if you've got a proper support class like General or Strategist, it may be possible to turn a crowd of yokels into an actual threat. Cirella the Siren can turn a group of 1000 nearly invincible for a time, so it's not impossible for this to work, at least in theory.

On the other hand, outside of support classes, I have to imagine that a single [Brave Blood] may cut through maybe 20 [A Steady Harvest]'s without breaking a sweat. There is a limit to the disparity of strength that tactics or support skills can overcome, and once the dedicated fighters have dedicated support of their own...

I think I remember a quote that went something like, "Everyone loves the stories about how the weaker but more skilled fighter takes down the strong brute. Few talk about what happens when the weak fighter and the strong have the same level of skill, and nobody bothers to mention what happens when a strong skilled fighter takes on a weakling who doesn't even know how to hold a weapon."
 
20 [A Steady Harvest]'s without breaking a sweat.
On the other hand, it's possible that any ethos could be slowly turned to war (A steady harvest could pick up an expansion to allow the "harvest" using the same expansions which previously only applied to crops), just requiring a soldier to survive through enough combat so that the expansion can occur
 
Not before the [Harvesters] are cut down en masse; and most people don't level quite as quickly as we do.

I'm starting to agree that the power imbalance seems too large for conscripts to make a difference. Not that they wouldn't be used anyway, in times of desperation, but it depletes one's economy much more quickly than enemy soldiers. Peasant armies might really not be a thing in this world.

(Except in Cirella's squadron, anyway.)

The counterargument is that, maybe, there are so many farmers that and they're so good at their jobs that it doesn't really matter... but this would make farming highly unprofitable, encouraging people into other ethos. Not sure if this argument is too Malthusian or not.

This might be a good argument for every nation having to maintain a strong martial tradition, if not large standing armies of the sort that our world didn't see until much later. The problem is feeding them with medieval tech, but maybe ethos farmers are a whole lot more efficient.
Come to think of it... Hearts and minds probably aren't easy to rewrite (unless the hypothetical bard ethos amounts to brainwashing, which is not impossible). If people grew up their entire lives looking to be a builder, they won't be convinced in just a year or two to take up soldiery.

So unless one is planning for a very long war or long peace, I don't see ethos-level mobilization/demobilization as being particularly effective.

(Or, if hearts and minds really are that easy to rewrite, we might very well see a sudden drop in certain ethos starting next year.)
 
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On yet another note, when the the next ethos vote comes up, we need to not just think about how good it is in isolation but whether it fits in with the other ethos.

I'm not quite sure what sync and divergence are but like I'm pretty sure high sync is good. We might want ethos that like wantus to behave in opposite ways in order to avoid situations where getting one to high sync means the other gets to high divergence.
 
Nuuuuu my industrial ethos

So, [Dream Within the Forest] means we don't do anything that screws up nature, and that we prefer connections between lifeforms.

[My Resolution, Thy Bedrock] might encourage conservatism, maybe in general, maybe (as combined with [Dream]) in the sense of preferring the natural world over human development (this point is more than a little speculative, however). It's definitely opposed to mind-break ethos like [I Tear The Veil], and probably also ethos that are too esoteric (certainly the apotheotic ones).

[Cleaver of Fortune] and Evie are both mavericks; one possibility is that they'd be anathema to orderly/organizational-type ethos (which, thankfully, doesn't seem to include our [Dream] mass-connections). This is only a guess, however.

[Cleaver] may also be anathema to precog-type ethos... though it seems a precog ethos in itself, which is confusing.

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Way too many guesses for my taste. All that's fairly certain is that we prefer nature, prefer connectivity, and rule out mind-break.
 
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Ehh, Ents vs Isengard was always a false dichotomy. If cutting down trees helps fuel your industrialization, you know what would help even more--mass forestry growth to replace the trees being cut down, and to help absorb the pollutants emitted into the atmosphere.

An industrial society, strange as it may sound, needs druids. The problem is sync and divergence within a single person.
 
Chapter should be up within the hour.

There is a limit to the disparity of strength that tactics or support skills can overcome
Or maybe every nation just uses martial ethos holders as elites and trainers, while the majority of armies are still conscripted farmers whose ethos abilities don't help at all.
I'm starting to agree that the power imbalance seems too large for conscripts to make a difference.

So, if a kingdom has to start using good non-martial focused Ethea in the military beyond just the dregs, things are already going wrong for them. They are stemming the tide now but sacrificing their economic future.
That said, if you are intending for people to die anyway, there is a lot you can do. The human soul and its various tethers to the world are potent expendable resources.
No nation would deploy farmers straight from the fields, they'd take a while to 'prepare' them.

And I was going to say a fair bit more in a spoiler comment but figured it would be too much useful knowledge for this stage of the quest. I'll add this though.
None of those farmers nor the things they became would last a month beyond the conflict.
 
So, if a kingdom has to start using good non-martial focused Ethea in the military beyond just the dregs, things are already going wrong for them. They are stemming the tide now but sacrificing their economic future.
That said, if you are intending for people to die anyway, there is a lot you can do. The human soul and its various tethers to the world are potent expendable resources.
No nation would deploy farmers straight from the fields, they'd take a while to 'prepare' them.

And I was going to say a fair bit more in a spoiler comment but figured it would be too much useful knowledge for this stage of the quest. I'll add this though.
None of those farmers nor the things they became would last a month beyond the conflict.

Fear. That's the feeling this gives me. Pure Fear for the future and of the Nation
 
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