It's a Girl's World -- And Lilly wants Adventure

ugh

i hate this so much.

i don't feel i can be objective right now.

the plan wasn't even bad, aboleath was just outrageously powerful and will winnower too much of a fucking outrageous cheat to have a clean outcome. the fact we won at all strikes me as a fucking miracle.

worst luck, we just found that concordance literally can't plot whatever valerie does. her fucking air-shield never got picked up in a nigh infinite number of permutations of what happened.

oh, and there's no character sheet so i don't even know what we have right now.

like, this was a pure out 'spite for the sake of spite' move that was played here, and like...

how the fuck do you beat that kind of mindset? a mindset that's entirely willing to use inhuman, supernal might to just... straight up delete innocents just because they're on the backfoot?

thanks i hate it. ughhhhhhhhh
 
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Oh good grief. This...happened.

Wow.

Uh. Okay.

Votes time.

@Slyvena have you considered a moratorium, BTW? I feel like this is really getting to be a quest that needs discussion before the votes hit.

[X] Plan Still Alive

-[X] [TLatS] Be honest and upfront. You have more personal experience than you would like with what it's like to be under mind-altering effects, and can't help but sympathize with someone who was turned into a monster by them, not with how you probably would have fallen into insanity yourself at least twice without the help of {Rest State}. Additionally, while this may be the first time you run into someone who was twisted into a monster that you might be able to help, it certainly won't be the last. You have the unique position of being someone who could actually fix Inverted Ethea... and if that... rose, and what it did is any indication, Count Waters probably is using some kind of effect just as nasty, if not worse than, what Valerie was under to control at least some of his minions. We're going to have to make a solid decision on how to treat Flow-controlled, demon-possessed, and Inversion-twisted people... and Lilly is possibly the only person in existence with the option to save them. Sure, it was a random noblewoman nobody here knew this time... but next time it could be someone close. Myah was dangerously close to inverting, through no real fault of her own. Had Valerie been an iota smarter, there could have been half a dozen mind-controlled Watchmen to deal with. Should they really be executed for the crime of not being able to resist?
--[X] In a very real sense, what killed the Watchmen isn't the Valerie you currently have imprisoned. It was the demon riding her. And that is as dead as I can make it already.
-[X] [CaT] Cautious and restrained. To deny others their own Will strayed to close to being a hypocrite, I would be careful and measured.
--[X] Flow vs. Flow. For most of even your enemies, twisting their very desires is too much for your gentle heart. But against those who wield such powers without restraint? There you must use what tools you have to counteract and counterattack.
---[X] There are monsters and there are men. You will not hesitate to use your abilities against monsters. Let true monsters like Senus or Lord Waters feel paralyzed by Regret and Sadness for the crimes they have done. If you can change them for the better, so be it. However, among men, you must be more careful. Use your powers to help guide people towards righteousness, to heal and protect. Be prudent, but reasonable. Work to help, to benefit, to comfort and to raise up. A subtle but consistent hand. You must and will not be some puppet master enslaving people for the greater good. Good is meaningless when it is forced upon people.
-[X] [WaL] Prioritize survival. Attempt to aid Evie where possible, and if both you and she are confident she is not going to die of it, she can stay awake, but you can much more easily keep your family alive through this than deal with Evie's loss, for so, so many reasons.
--[X] Could Petal man the {Hybrid Siphon}? Could we help Evie mend with {Meta-Ethotic Control}?
-[X] [TowCA] Wait until the Ladder can advise you before considering this.
--[X] Is it possible to Slipstream from somewhere to you?
-[X] [TNA] There are so many things to do, and not enough time. You are not leaving your family alone, but you may have to trust others to guard them once again if something cannot come to you.
--[X] If Captain Martin can bring whatever it is he thinks needs to be done to us instead of us coming to him, that would be preferable.
---[X] Either way, meet and Essence link the guards around our house first so that there's less chance of someone getting past them without you noticing.
--[X] Keep enough Essence to Slipstream back built up whenever possible, which means we're going to have to walk.
--[X] Valerie called me 'Bloomling', like it meant something. The hillock out west, the secret of my name. I have already put it off too long.
---[X] Wait until Ladder is online for this, too. You don't want to be ambushed.
-[X] [TMo] I decided I would take a risk with the Madam. It didn't feel right to turn her away.
--[X] Be careful, though, in not giving away your secrets to her where it is feasible to keep them.
-[X] [MnM] ...Ask our parents, but if we're leaving - and we are leaving - and Myah is coming with us - and she certainly has few better options if she doesn't want to die, even considering all...this...adopted sister?
-[X] [AC] Talk to our mother about the Stuff With Zach. Because we can't fix this, and she has an Ethos that should lend itself to teaching our father the lessons he needs to learn about how to parent.
-[X] [AC] Set Evie's XP Allocation to 0 while she's recovering, until we're both confident she can handle it.
 
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Well, that happened.

We seem to have come dangerously close to breaking [Dream] a few times this update but it looks like we evaded that outcome and may have even "gotten away" with consequences like with [Cleaver] when we touched Petal's tree and presumably massively increased our grasp of it and how to better use it.

The true tragedy however, lies further out. For beyond this small number of motes, you now perceive a hundred trillion tiny points of similar light drifting alone through the expanse. A galaxy of uncountable shimmering specks stretching out into a vast sparklingly tapestry of all that can ever be.

It would be beautiful, were it not the saddest picture one could ever behold. Your connection is the exception and not the rule.

…this will not do.

The two of you press and sway off each other, moving in ways together that it would be impossible for others to do alone. You draw closer to the nearby Motes, soon they shall be added to the dance.

One by one, you will fix the greatest injustice of creation.

No more separation, there must only be Communion.
Uh oh. uhhhhh ohhhh. Is [Dream]'s purpose to enact the Human Instrumentality Project? Is this a SEELE origin story?

It feels half unreal, like something that happened and also didn't. You were yourself, but also not. The way you spoke to a God… you would never be that blunt and honest. The memory of what you thought and felt seems more like a caricature of you, a hyper-realisation. Thinking back on it, you could almost doubt that it was more than a flight of fancy or vivid imagining.
My initial impression was that, being a Flow Ethea, Lilly was essentially unable to do anything but express her true thoughts there. It's less a caricature and more that her feelings and emotions were expressed with absolutely zero filter. Not going to lie, I was a bit worried at the start of that conversation that what happened to Micah was going to lead to an inversion with how she was talking to Aurora.
From your mind which exists somewhere between the body and soul yet within neither, exudes your Wake. A constant outward pressure against the natural dissolvent exterior of reality, a bulwark pushing back the void of thoughtlessness and staking its claim. Your Wake is both physical and not, extending some distance from you but never in a way that can be exactly measured. To it, distance is not a metric to be recorded, but the idea of closeness itself. Your Wake touches that which it is 'near' to, and nothing else. That may take time to understand.
First impression again is one of the more straightforward interpretations that the closeness is a kind of emotional/mental closeness. I note mental there because I think emotional might portray too narrow a definition. I would imagine Lilly's family to read as "close" because of their emotional connections to one another. Myah too, as a friend. But also Martin since his throwing his lot in with us means our presence in his thoughts would be stronger - we're no longer some random peasant. And it works with negative connections too, Senus may read as closer than the baseline too because we ended up on his radar.
Within your soul, Flow moves as an unbound ocean. Outside it, Flow is channelled, diverted and pushs against this regimented systemized structure that pervades your entire surroundings stretching out farther than you can see.
Hmm, this reminds me of that one test with the Loremaster from 1.5:

The ribbon is more perplexing, natural energy just doesn't flow through it right. Flow isn't even the right word really. What is normally a fuzzy current becomes instead a sharp series of precise shapes and angles within. Natural energy is forced along unnatural and artificial pathways before exiting as a disjointed and twisted mess which slowly returns to the normal as it spreads back out into its surrounds. Perplexing.

Except Lilly was following the "natural energy" which was her name for Essence back then. Was the Loremaster's item pushing Essence through the Construct channels or is it just a coincidence? That "Flow" is literally name dropped incidentally makes me all the more suspicious!
The energy that was always lost on the upbeats of a {Pulse Surge} is now expressed in a new form. Potent visceral Heat. After just a couple of heartbeats, your skin would evaporate water; push it further and you can grow so hot as to have your natural balmy glow instead become a visible radiant red. The air sizzling and billowing away from the insane temperatures your body, your blood can now exude.
Eat your heart out, Solaire, we shall become grossly incandescent and a new sun unto the world.

Hmm, and now to think on our options...

The Lion and the Snake - I am inclined to advocate pretty hard on Valerie's behalf, honestly. As for how, I think we can very sternly point out that we have suffered great pain here as well. Ideally, if we can speak with Martin alone we can tell him that whatever was controlling Valerie was enough to push us hard so the entity pulling her strings certainly seems like it's capable of having turned her into a victim herself. If nothing else, she likely has very valuable information and we want to know it (but be careful with this so it doesn't lead to less savory means of extracting that info on the Watch's part.) Plus I feel like it goes with [Shine]'s concept to do so.

Constraints and Thought - I am personally on the "use this cautiously and reluctantly" team. However, I very much do think it's an open question if that's in line with the Ethea's intent. As we learned with [Dream] if Ethea are goals then I think we have to think hard about what Aurora's intent is here. I can't deny the possibility that she indeed means for its wielders to use it as a means to force evildoers to be good. In that context, the tests Lilly had to pass to qualify for it is meant to ascertain that it is only handed out to someone who shares a similar view of good and evil as Aurora herself and that having met that we're meant to "do her will" that she is restrained from by acting as an instrument of her's on the mortal plane and convert people to good by any means. However, even if that's the case - and I'm not sure it is!, I personally don't want to walk that path so I'd prefer to take it in a direction of becoming a kind of inspiring hero who reaches out with compassion to those we think we can redeem and people being swayed by our example to follow of their own volition. Probably not the best for our safety but playing on hard mode can be fun!

Wilting and Loss - Ugh, this is tough. I'm inclined to tell Evie to rest. We'll find a way. Evie is already the reason everyone didn't just die, having her sacrifice even more just because she may be able to help would be too sad.

The one who Cries Alone - We're going to help, but I don't think opening a link right now is the right idea. I think we should talk to Martin first. If necessary, provide the fact that through Concordance we know that either us or Waters will kill the other so a conflict is likely close to unavoidable and given that we need to know our options.

The Necessary Acts - Bloomling is my top priority right now. Then probably Zach. If forced to commit to just one, I'd say we discover the truth of our name. If we're leaving Harmuph in the near future this may become more difficult if we don't do so now.

The Madam's offer - Accept her offer. If we turn her down I'm concerned she'll just jump to her next best option which for our luck could be Waters. She may be a bit shady but better to be able to keep an eye on her.

Myah and Me - Tell Martin her family situation. Make it clear she's not returning. Also talk to Myah herself because she walked into one heck of a sight there at our house.

All in all, I think that leaves me thinking something like this as a first draft:

[ ] [TLatS] Inform the Watch that based on your confrontation you have reached the conclusion that Valerie was likely under the influence of a particularly powerful entity, one which you have managed to expunge from her. Your working theory is that she herself is a victim of this entity and it's your wish to see what she knows when she wakes up and to forestall any judgment until then. If met with friction to this arrangement, coldly point out what happened to your family this day and that the Watch is not alone in having suffered tragedy from her this day. If she is indeed a victim herself then taking out their anger and grief on her is not justice but savagery.
[ ] [CaT] Cautious and restrained. To deny others their own Will strayed to close to being a hypocrite, I would be careful and measured.
[ ] [WaL] I told Evie to sleep. I wouldn't let her kill herself for me.
[ ] [TowCA] Leave the door closed, for now.
-[][TowCA] Inform Martin of Cleaver's report that suggests a fatal clash between you and Waters is likely inevitable. Given that, it would be folly to think you could avoid a confrontation. Ask after our options for such a conflict and remind him of both Kaynie's information as well as if your ability to open a link to her would add any additional options. You will save her.
[ ] [TNA] Valerie called me 'Bloomling', like it meant something. The hillock out west, the secret of my name. I have already put it off too long.
[ ] [TMo] I decided I would take a risk with the Madam. It didn't feel right to turn her away.
[ ] [MnM] Inform Captain Martin of Myah's family situation and make clear that she will not be returning to an abusive household. If possible, check after Myah herself, while not nearly as traumatic as what your family experienced, to have walked into such a situation with you after the emotional turmoil of the day could not have been easy on her.

Powers and such I think I'd like more time to stew on, spreadsheet update, etc. Glad to see I wasn't the only one who immediately thought Soul-Bond to Micah might work... even if it got shot down.
 
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ugh

i hate this so much.

i don't feel i can be objective right now.

the plan wasn't even bad, aboleath was just outrageously powerful and will winnower too much of a fucking outrageous cheat to have a clean outcome. the fact we won at all strikes me as a fucking miracle.

worst luck, we just found that concordance literally can't plot whatever valerie does. her fucking air-shield never got picked up in a nigh infinite number of permutations of what happened.

oh, and there's no character sheet so i don't even know what we have right now.

like, this was a pure out 'spite for the sake of spite' move that was played here, and like...

how the fuck do you beat that kind of mindset? a mindset that's entirely willing to use inhuman, supernal might to just... straight up delete innocents just because they're on the backfoot?

thanks i hate it. ughhhhhhhhh

I feel like the plan was very good, actually.
The "Stop me" bit worked beautifully. While we have not seen the rolls, it feels to me like Evie rolled badly and aboleath rolled very well, so this was why Evie nearly died. The inability of {Sample Space} to work properly seems to indicate that there are ethos protecting vs pre/postcognition, ones that can work extremely well, probably pretty useless on their own, but can be devastating as part of a build.

I am actually really iterested in Valerie trying to kill Micah - because it was after aboleath left her, thus I am not optimistic that she actually will be a worthwhile person after healing.
 
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I am actually really iterested in Valerie trying to kill Micah - because it was after aboleath left her, thus I am not optimistic that she actually will be a worthwhile person after healing.
Considering that she's been using her powers on herself at Abby's insistence I assumed that was more a consequence of her altered mindstate. Things like that don't revert immediately without power shenanigans.

That said we're lacking data points on her mindstates so we're going to need to see what her restored mindstate looks like before making judgements.
 
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I am actually really iterested in Valerie trying to kill Micah - because it was after aboleath left her, thus I am not optimistic that she actually will be a worthwhile person after healing.
We know Valerie has been using her power to brainwash herself into being okay with all her actions in a kind of twisted foil to how Lilly has been resisting the temptation to use her powers like Subversion and now Affective Radiance to do the same to herself so it's not impossible she's had her sense of self twisted beyond all recognition. Just like how we maintained our connection to Evie (and Subversion was active even after Evie went to have her DBZ fight) I imagine any self-hypnosis Valerie made to herself was still in effect up until at least when we stuck her with Petal.

Basically, she could be what Mindstate!Lilly would have been if it had stuck. It's probably too early to tell.
 
yeah, ugh.

this update was the worst.

like, i genuinely don't know how we could have done better than this under the circumstances, because what mistakes were made were compensated for.

the problem is that Valerie is just that fucking outrageous, that she didn't need to be smart, she just needed to not be a complete mouthbreather--and Aboleath was monstrously powerful apparently (The whole "Evie didn't even know she could be hurt like that" is very concerning because the only thing she did in return was decohere him after he got his anchor severed. This has been regularly described as an inconvienence at worst to the divine)

And like... What the fuck, how the hell do you beat an Ethos with that many applications? She didn't need to be smart because her power was idiot-proof and unlike squishy wizards, she had cockroach level survivability and an indifference to injury that rivaled Lilly's--if not straight up exceeded it. The fact we won seemed less that we deserved it and more "We had enough of a boost from Subverting the command that we pushed just above the limit of what she could react against, and she still managed to spite-kill our youngest and most adorable sibling despite our best efforts to stop her."

Christ.

I Genuinely hate this.

Because this was a baby Apotheotic, and she nearly cost us everything. She was a dumb Apotheotic that we had free intel on, and she nearly cost us everything.

Like.

Fuck, I hate this, because it's like "Well, what the fuck now?"

Evie's critically wounded and because of that we lost most of the Gravitas this encounter would have been worth, which means we're not even ahead of the game compared to where we started--we just mitigated the loss we already took.

And like, even if we revert Valerie?

She's still the useless little shit who did what the strange head ghost asked her to do in the first place

I know we have to be better than this, but cripes it's going to take me some time to metabolize this shit sandwich.
 
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Lilly's journey is just beginning, she needs to use the power and make it strong. Hone it for the next big disaster and ready herself to be able to carry all the burdens.

I think the Flow, social, ethos is meant to be given to those who are morally righteous and have them influence and change people to align to becoming good people themselves. Give this power to those who use it would turn the world brighter through applying it.
So once you pass the moral tests and are deemed worthy by the goddess you're meant to spread your values to those who follow you, alongside redeeming bad guys into becoming good.
 
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Just one more reason to institute Project Soul Bind Everyone We Care About asap. Also I think it's important to keep in mind we don't know for sure that it's all the one Apotheotic Ethos, if she has an Apotheotic Ethos she might also have a multi-Ethos, since both seem to be handed out by Colossi/Maw. Her Regeneration might be an aspect from a different Ethos. We'll have to find out more about her capabilities before we can really assess how badly this went.
I think the one change to the plan I'd consider in hindsight would be to not use the Heartstaff to attack Valerie, but to block her off from our family. Basically create a dome or a plane that blocks the two of us from our family and apply {Cessation Rivet} to it to avoid any sound from passing through and then pummel her ourselves. But that's with hindsight.
 
I personally suspect that Aboleath was so much more powerful because it was an aggressively-focused... whatever. As far as I can guess, I think that while Evie is the 'Ambrosia of Joy', Aboleath was an essence of... well, sadism or something similarly nasty. So it would make sense for it to have much nastier attack options. Plus it had been gorging on a much larger percentage of Valerie's Gravitas over a noticeably larger time.
Still, we need to leverage our advantages better. If Valerie had had enough common sense to realize that maybe keeping some thralls around would be a better plan than just gruesomely murdering everyone she came across, or just generally had the sense to not shoot herself in the foot with unnecessary cruelty or sadistic theatrics every chance she got, she could easily have won.
That said, Lilly's advantage is that she isn't alone, and she grows atrociously fast. We've been awake for what, a week? And we're already in the middle tiers. What will Lilly be like in a month? A year?
 
she still managed to spite-kill our youngest and most adorable sibling despite our best efforts to stop her."

... Ok, you need to calm down. You are confusing Marcus, the adorable one, with Micah, the one who feared we would leave and that died.
You should partially reset your thought process on what actually happened before going forward.
 
@Alectai Micah is Lilly's 2nd youngest sibling at 9 years old, slated for a "generic Ethos allocation". The youngest is Marcus at 8.

I know this isn't terribly helpful, just wanted to put it out to avoid confusion.

I feel you on the...sub-optimal result here.

My thinking is that Captain Martin was right when he mentioned Deific Ethos as unpredictable and mysterious even more so than Concordance, and this, along with The Child before, is demonstrable proof that even Concordance isn't the most hax thing in the setting, and certainly not an "I win" button, for Lilly or her enemies.

As a group, we could plan better with the information we had available? When I was still making a plan 2 weeks ago, I went back to Interlude 1.1 "Words of Encouragement" and was trying to estimate whether or not Valerie had unlocked non-verbal commands to others by the time she got to Lilly, but I was having some trouble getting the flow of time straight ("before the moon is out" was a little vague) and putting it all together coherently.

^Again, not very helpful now.

But it's not over, and Lilly can still come back from this, as long as we manage resources carefully here.

Edit: Ninja'd.
 
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I think people are overestimating somewhat the risk of contacting Kaymie btw: From when we met Lord Waters' retinue only Kaymie stuck out as an Auron to us, so all the other Essence wielders probably have considerably worse Essence Sight than she and us do. As long as we query {The Ladder} for a good time to contact her via Essence Link I think we have good odds of doing so undetected.
While we know that they have a Flow user, the way he applies his Ethos apparently still left Kaymie free to deliver us her warning, so his control over the retinue isn't absolute.
The biggest threat is probably Water's Concordance user, as we have no idea how his Ethos works, and it might be able to pick up on our intentions. (though it seemed more focused on short term prediction of a known situation rather than the free-form advice {The Ladder} provides us with from what little we've seen) As such I think it's paramount that we at least establish some sort of communications channel via Essence to Kaymie, to get a better understanding of the retinue's abilities and what we need to plan for when we do end up rescuing her. (And also what we'll be facing when we square off with him: rescuing Kaymie is not just an act of altruism but also robs Waters of a capable Essence user)
We'll also want a more permanent way to conceal our group from scrying attempts for example, since we can't extend Hybrid Siphon to everyone for lack of minor relations slots.
If we had more adults in our group that can take care of themselves, I'd honestly be tempted to propose an escape plan where we first use our Major Relations slot to empower {Slipstream} to more easily cover greater distances and return to places we've been before, then everyone moves in different directions and Lilly uses upgraded {Slipstream} to switch group compositions and headings repeatedly, since she can keep a network of Essence Links going between the different parties. That way if someone scries for example Liatris to find Lilly, one day she's heading north from Harmuph to the Loislvian border, the next day she's close to Naris, heading for the Parisi border, the day after that she's close to the Eastern border etc. And only once the first group member has crossed a border somwhere where we want to go do we reunify the group.
I think something like that could have merit depending on how dangerous the trek through Narisell's countryside is.
 
I personally suspect that Aboleath was so much more powerful because it was an aggressively-focused... whatever. As far as I can guess, I think that while Evie is the 'Ambrosia of Joy', Aboleath was an essence of... well, sadism or something similarly nasty. So it would make sense for it to have much nastier attack options. Plus it had been gorging on a much larger percentage of Valerie's Gravitas over a noticeably larger time.
Still, we need to leverage our advantages better. If Valerie had had enough common sense to realize that maybe keeping some thralls around would be a better plan than just gruesomely murdering everyone she came across, or just generally had the sense to not shoot herself in the foot with unnecessary cruelty or sadistic theatrics every chance she got, she could easily have won.
That said, Lilly's advantage is that she isn't alone, and she grows atrociously fast. We've been awake for what, a week? And we're already in the middle tiers. What will Lilly be like in a month? A year?

The problem is that this established we're not anywhere remotely close to the 'Middle Tiers'. We're at best a weird anomaly that punches on the level of the Actual Chosen Ones, Valerie was as dumb as the actual 'Chosen Ones' get, and we had unfair access to information on her--she still only lost because she failed to react in time to meaningfully push back against Lilly, and her apparent contingency powers alone nearly killed us and our entire family, and she did kill one of Lilly's brothers with a fraction of a second glance out of spite despite oppositon.

And that's disregarding Aboleath manifesting and nearly killing Evie too!

What we just learned is that "Lilly's okay, but she's nowhere remotely close to being able to assert her will on anyone in the setting unless they literally ask for it."

And that hurts bad.
 
As a group, we could plan better with the information we had available? When I was still making a plan 2 weeks ago, I went back to Interlude 1.1 "Words of Encouragement" and was trying to estimate whether or not Valerie had unlocked non-verbal commands to others by the time she got to Lilly, but I was having some trouble getting the flow of time straight ("before the moon is out" was a little vague) and putting it all together coherently.
I did the same, but reached the conclusion that she likely had not attained non-verbal commands yet. "Whoops." :V
 
I did the same, but reached the conclusion that she likely had not attained non-verbal commands yet. "Whoops." :V

That's the most fucking frustrating part.

Like, is there anything [Will Winnower] can't do? Apparently not! It's just a stupidly easy to use "i can do what i want" Ethos that can do anything you can wrap your head around, and there's basically no save possible!

You'd think that there would be restrictions on shit that's this flagrantly imbalanced, but apparently not!
 
That's the most fucking frustrating part.

Like, is there anything [Will Winnower] can't do? Apparently not! It's just a stupidly easy to use "i can do what i want" Ethos that can do anything you can wrap your head around, and there's basically no save possible!

You'd think that there would be restrictions on shit that's this flagrantly imbalanced, but apparently not!

What do you think the divine fragments harvesting was meant to do?
She probably succeeded in doing that with some others bloomlings.
 
What do you think the divine fragments harvesting was meant to do?
She probably succeeded in doing that with some others bloomlings.

Yes, she certainly did.

Aboleath probably got to keep those despite getting Decohered, while he nearly obliterated Evie in turn.

I'm just... Fuck, I know I'll feel better once I've had a chance to process it, but for once one of the rain of bullets actually hit and I'm reminded about just how outmatched we are. That even a good plan can go poorly because whoops the other side has a do whatever I want power and somehow also has cockroach level immortality on top of it. And she was still weak enough that Aboleath had to encourage discretion.

And we functionally gained nothing out of that encounter but sorrow and new problems, while the list of shit going on just grows more and more daunting and we don't get so much as a fucking day to wrap our head around shit until another calamity rolls in
 
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All you can do to keep up with it is grab as many powerups as you can manage. Use what you have as well and efficiently as you can.
 
I have to say, and it may be because I didn't participate in making the plan, but I'm not feeling so pessimistic about things.

Micah getting 'sploded was bad, but Lilly has seemingly found a way to more or less salvage the situation. So while we have another thing on our plate with that, as well as dealing with the aftermath of this attack, I'm more or less content that it ended this well.

Sly has described these crises in two ways. As spinning plates that we must juggle, and as hits that we can try to avoid or chose to tank. With Lilly's start, it's been just about non stop. But she's managed it. All the while, Valerie has been perhaps the biggest direct threat that was bearing down on us.

When she looked at Micah, she would've done it to the whole family if she were able. This could've been absolutely devastating, but we made it to the other side. Micah's death, and Lilly's actions to preserve his lifebring to mind the cup from Hannibal. While it's far from a great comparison, I have faith that one day Lilly will be able to turn back the clock and put the pieces of the cup back together.

I mean, really though, she's seemingly done most of the work already. If you'll allow me to push this analogy further, she's already put the pieces back together. Now the plate that is Micah's life is up in the air, hanging over our heads. But, unlike so much else, there's no indication of it crashing back down on Lilly.

So we explore Towering Edifice of Heaven, we learn about the Dream and Legend and Destiny. I don't know, but I have faith.

Micah will live again, we got this. Next on the list is Lord Waters, the Dungeon, and Not!Jeremy.
 
I am curious about Valerie's Ethos. If it's just the single one we've seen, I'm assuming the regeneration is from commanding herself to "not die" or "heal" or something.

If she's multi-Ethea like us I think it's more likely it's her original power and her compulsion power is from Aboleath.
 
I doubt it, unless someone can make out an explanation for why Valerie's regenerative powers were so strong. And she still has that ability.

It's not even a "So Strong", she literally recovered from decapitation in seconds, that's greater regen and body/mind decoupling then Lilly has with her {Core Heart}
 
It's not even a "So Strong", she literally recovered from decapitation in seconds, that's greater regen and body/mind decoupling then Lilly has with her {Core Heart}
not really? She couldn't do anything without her head, while Lilly should be perfectly fine operating solely on her {Core Heart} and Essence Sight.
I'm assuming that her Regeneration was a prepared effect where she commanded her body to regenerate itself.
 
I am curious about Valerie's Ethos. If it's just the single one we've seen, I'm assuming the regeneration is from commanding herself to "not die" or "heal" or something.

If she's multi-Ethea like us I think it's more likely it's her original power and her compulsion power is from Aboleath.
It might just be another feature of the Ethos. Especially if it's a deitic one.
 
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