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I don't see how either of those serve to remove the effects of Valerie's ethos on Lilly's family? I don't think we can just will the effects away like that at our current power levels.
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It's concordance, It's Cleaver of Fortune. We want a future where Lilly manages to get her family through it even without Hybrid Syphon's support. Right? So using our future changing powers to ensure the best possible outcome is a good idea.
They're supporting powers.
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Well, those are mistakes mostly on the direct understanding of the ability; they wouldn't have affected the results.
The thing we could have handled better was based on us discovering that Valerie could use her power through her eyes and take the right countermeasures against that.
And maybe having our opening move being us expelling the entity inside of her. It could have helped Evie.
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[] [CaT] Those who do evil, forfeit their right to autonomy. Against adversaries, it would simply be another weapon in my hand.
We do NOT have enough of a margin of superiority to have the luxury of holding back against enemies out of concern about mind control. We can dial it back later on, at least against most things, when we have enough of a power advantage that threats like Waters are no longer relevant.
We do NOT have enough of a margin of superiority to have the luxury of holding back against enemies out of concern about mind control. We can dial it back later on, at least against most things, when we have enough of a power advantage that threats like Waters are no longer relevant.
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We already knew she need not speak out loud to affect people, though. She did affect herself nonverbally.
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Since it's not clear to me how determining the nature of her abilities more accurately would have made us better able to counter them... meh?
Don't get me wrong, being correct about a factual thing is always better than being incorrect. But what kind of precautions could we have taken against "being looked at and talked to," in the time available and without the element of surprise, that we didn't take?
I mean. Instead our opening move was to physically damage Valerie, which admittedly didn't stop her... but it seems like if she hadn't been damaged then she might have had an easier time responding to our further actions? We might have helped Evie, but we might also have made things even worse for ourselves.
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yeah, but I'm pretty sure the way Concordance is supposed to work is that it gives us the ability to find the right person to help remove the compulsion, not just magic it away. [Cleaver of Fate] only empowers us to use our other abilities, it's not a directly applicable power like Pithe or Essence powers are.
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[ ] [CaT] For the greater good, all is permissible. I would use it liberally and freely.
There are a lot of problems she's going to face, a lot of problems she's facing already, and I doubt there will ever be a situation that gives her the luxury of time. I think Lilly should be using Shine, my gentle heart freely. She's going to be in charge of a lot of people and she genuinely wants what's best for them.
The burden of leaders.
But then, using relations to circumvent Eevie... is that even possible, since the power is from Eevie how can we use the power while Eevie, the power, sleeps?
How Lilly would usually solve it is have Hybrid Syphon applied to her family via Relations, and then Eevie controls what the syphon does and what it eats. Right?
There are a lot of problems she's going to face, a lot of problems she's facing already, and I doubt there will ever be a situation that gives her the luxury of time. I think Lilly should be using Shine, my gentle heart freely. She's going to be in charge of a lot of people and she genuinely wants what's best for them.
The burden of leaders.
If we're going to use relations to manually use Hybrid Syphon on our family, Ply the Line would help us apply it right, correct our path of using it the right way. Make sure the future where we nail it is the one we get, the future where we successfully use Hybrid Syphon.
But then, using relations to circumvent Eevie... is that even possible, since the power is from Eevie how can we use the power while Eevie, the power, sleeps?
How Lilly would usually solve it is have Hybrid Syphon applied to her family via Relations, and then Eevie controls what the syphon does and what it eats. Right?
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This doesn't mean that she was able to use her power through her eyes, though.
No, the hints were mostly these: in the past, someone who tried to implore suddenly wasn't able to talk without any word from Valerie's part, and, in the update before this, we knew we would have been allowed to reply if we could think, even when she didn't say anything about that.
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yes, usually Evie would be in control of the siphon, between our new ability to see Flow effects and the minor relations link I think we have good odds of having either Petal guiding it or doing it ourselves, while minimising the effort from Evie.
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The odds will be even better if we push concordance down {Ply the Line} to ensure the best possible outcome for them, the future where they can recover with no long-term consequences. That makes sense, right?
Lilly is going to use relations, flow, syphon, the tower. Heal them, while Ply the Line works in the background to correct Lilly towards performing optimally.
The tower, that's something that lets Lilly see souls, partially at least. And Valerie's effects were Oath, soul ones.
Also notice, Valerie did a polite curtsey thing to mom. Mom's a blooming, was Valarie one too?
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We are probably dry on that at the moment, so we should wait for the concord to recharge before doing anything with it.
Also, I think what you are proposing would work only if we had a high fracture ethos, which we have not.
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This is what the [Cleaver of Fortune] is meant for. It affects the future and the present, {Ply the Line} reels the present towards the future we want as a metaphor. Making the unlikely a reality. And the future we'd want is the one where Lilly correctly uses {Hybrid Syphon}.
A high fracture Ethos would make it so that the family was in a different place, or that they were never hit by her power in the first place. High fracture is overwriting reality, what has happened and stuff like that.
Low fracture is getting the right result in the present. As in solving situations at hand as favorably as possible.
Lilly has a lot of power, as in a lot of leverage. All {Ply the Line} needs to do is guide Lilly to use her powers, said leverage; domain, syphon, relations; in ways that hold the highest chances of sucsess.
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If that is the case, then we should still focus on training {Hybrid Syphon} directly instead of training something that may give us a boost in training it.
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You couldn't train Hybrid Syphon while Eevie is indisposed, could you?
I'm mainly replying to this thought, not sure if it'd work. If telling Eevie to go to sleep would the power even be usable?
But if deciding to go with this, I'd imagine using {Ply the Line} as a guide for applying it, flow, domain, syphon, relations. Whatever it takes to heal.
Today Lilly woke up with the Tower and Bedrock, and goes to sleep with Shine, My Gentle Heart. Now she thinks she needs to depart ASAP. But I think Lilly's being a bit hasty here. She could do all the things that need to be done. No? Surely worst of the storm has passed.
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{Ply the Line} won't change the results of our action, though. If we can't do it, then that power won't help us in any way.
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But if we can, then it ensures the best possible outcome. And the [Cleaver of Fortune] has this to note.
So even if no future exists where we use the Syphon right, the Cleaver could potentially make one for Lilly.
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As I've mentioned in my AC proposal, I think we should at the very least make sure our family gets moving. Due to {Slipstream} Lilly can freely travel between the Prime Tree, Captain Martin and her family (and anyone else we can establish an Essence link with like Kaymie), so Lilly can easily go back and forth between her traveling family and Martin's dungeon suppression run for example.
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Re: Valerie
Let me quote something from our plan of action:
We might have, might have, been able to avoid Micah's temporary demise by choosing to gouge her eyes out - but even then we would have been greatly tripped by a single simple fact we never knew beforehand - Valerie's clings to life harder than a cockroach and can literally regenerate from beheading let alone a minor ocular mutilation.
On a side note, we can try and lie to Martin that Valerie's dead by showing him the head we tore off of her. I wouldn't recommend that though.
Let me quote something from our plan of action:
I bolded that we took her sight into account, just not enough for it to matter.
We might have, might have, been able to avoid Micah's temporary demise by choosing to gouge her eyes out - but even then we would have been greatly tripped by a single simple fact we never knew beforehand - Valerie's clings to life harder than a cockroach and can literally regenerate from beheading let alone a minor ocular mutilation.
On a side note, we can try and lie to Martin that Valerie's dead by showing him the head we tore off of her. I wouldn't recommend that though.
Great update.
This could have gone better, but it also could have gone a lot worse, the idea with subverting the order into "Stop me" worked beautifully.
This said, Evie's situation is very concerning, I really hope she will be able to recover.
@Slyvena no Author's Notes or Significant Rolls spoilers this time around?
This could have gone better, but it also could have gone a lot worse, the idea with subverting the order into "Stop me" worked beautifully.
This said, Evie's situation is very concerning, I really hope she will be able to recover.
@Slyvena no Author's Notes or Significant Rolls spoilers this time around?
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Hot damn. 7k xp. 5431 xp overflow.
Could Lilly use the tower to scoop it up? Redistribute it? Redirect it to her family? Somehow use it to heal Eevie? Use it to upgrade Primordial Chassis to E - upgrade needs a total of 6000.
I feel like using it for Evie is best tbh. She came in clutch and deserves that exp. Plus, she is such an exp hog as it is. We should be able to get 2 Evie levels from this once she is recovered. Her powers are incredible and getting these will be a major boost in power for us.
I am not sure, but I think that 5431 xp is not overflow, but "damage received" from the fight.