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Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

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Ok, one thing to remember here is that we do not have Geass. Lelouch cleared Clovis's guards out with Geass. Mind you, we can probably do this with our demons, but it'll be a more apparent slaughter than a mysterious assassination.

Tel Janin Aman said:
[X] Retreat for now. But you will repay this indignity tenfold!

Better to keep incompetent Clovis in charge then have him replaced with someone who can actually do their job
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notthepenguins said:
[x] Retreat for now. But you will repay this indignity tenfold!

Clovis has proven he can't stand against us; there's no need to throw away resources to get him now, when we can just ensure that our next engagement is more in our favor.
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Another thing to keep in mind is that Clovis will be calling for the slaughter of the people in the Shinjuku ghetto to cover everything up if we leave.

EDIT - Also remember that we want to stunt in order to get extra dice.
 
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[X] After committing so many troops Clovis' base must have few guards remaining. This is the perfect opportunity to reach him.
--[X] It is time to apply the seventh wisdom of the fifth chapter of the Art of War: "7. You can be sure of succeeding in your attacks if you only attack places which are undefended.You can ensure the safety of your defense if you only hold positions that cannot be attacked. "
----[X] Can Jade be worked by non-magical tools? Is it a naturally occuring material? The one who used it might not be aware of its true worth.

As to how to deal with Lancelot... Not sure, really. It can fly yet... So trap it in a pit maybe? Electricity might work too, I think, if there's a line going nearby.

Also, yeah, seventh verses of various chapters of Art of War are sure useful for excellency applications.
 
chocolote12 said:
Is two extra rolls or one extra success really that big a deal? I've never actually played exalted, so I don't know.
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In this case I believe we might have failed without the Excellency since the GM used the Excellency to give us an extra success in order to ensure we didn't fail. Either that or he just used it because we stunted in such a way to use it.

To give a basic explanation of Exalted's dice rules...

Difficulty - the number of successes needed to succeed in a given action.
Difficulty Ratings:
Standard - 1 success
Difficult - 2 successes
Challenging - 3 successes
Nearly Impossible - 4 successes
Legendary - 5+ successes

Given the underdog status here, "Nearly Impossible" isn't unlikely.

Rolling:
The dice used in Exalted are d10. Seven and up is the standard target number for a success (though it can be more or less at the storyteller's discretion) and ten provides two successes.

For rolling, you typically have the proper (Attribute + Ability) as the base number of dice for your roll, with extra dice and/or successes added through stunts, Excellencies, and other things like that.
 
Enjou said:
Another thing to keep in mind is that Clovis will be calling for the slaughter of the people in the Shinjuku ghetto to cover everything up if we leave.
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Shinjuku is pretty fucked regardless. I wouldn't bet on killing him leaving them safe, because his successor might exterminate the ghetto just to make a point.
 
[x] After committing so many troops Clovis' base must have few guards remaining. This is the perfect opportunity to reach him.
 
After thinking it, i think is better to leave clovis alone. We don't have any personal combat power* and our demons may not be enough to deal with him, if he has hidden surprises. And we don't want to reveal that we are alive, so any confrontation with must end with Clovis dead, something that we can't guarantee.

*(Only one dot in Firearms and one in Drive, ugh. We must take care of never be catch alone.)
 
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Tel Janin Aman said:
So not really, plus the massacre means more angry people which means more recruits.
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Lelouch knows what kinds of things Britannia does and they were already committing to a massacre before he intervened. It's not really a large leap of logic to figure out what will happen next without further intervention. The Britannians will just cover it all up by saying the "nerve gas" the terrorists stole went off.

Also, not helping the people in Shinjuku will make it more difficult to convince the Kallen's group to follow us.

notthepenguins said:
Shinjuku is pretty fucked regardless. I wouldn't bet on killing him leaving them safe, because his successor might exterminate the ghetto just to make a point.
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Canonically Clovis orders the slaughter stopped because Lelouch makes him do so at gunpoint, and a slaughter does not occur when Cornelia takes over his role as Governor in canon either.


Also, we don't necessarily have to kill Clovis. Lelouch missed a golden opportunity by killing Clovis, though this may have been because he hadn't tested the full extent of his Geass in canon. Fortunately he's got a demon in his head to explain his abilities, which most importantly includes our Fiend caste ability to make a magically enforced oath. We can make him swear a magically enforced oath of loyalty, honesty, and obedience towards us. We could also leave a few of our demon minions around him to keep him under guard, rotating them out to ensure there's constant communication, and to kill him if he tries to screw us in spite of the oath.

In this way, we'd get a great deal of control over Area Eleven.
 
Enjou said:
Canonically Clovis orders the slaughter stopped because Lelouch makes him do so at gunpoint, and a slaughter does not occur when Cornelia takes over his role as Governor in canon either.
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Yeah, but a) butterflies are in obvious effect, and b) Lelouch doesn't know the canon chain of actions.

Enjou said:
We can make him swear a magically enforced oath of loyalty, honesty, and obedience towards us. We could also leave a few of our demon minions around him to keep him under guard, rotating them out to ensure there's constant communication, and to kill him if he tries to screw us in spite of the oath.

In this way, we'd get a great deal of control over Area Eleven.
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If they have a Knightmare with jade in it, we can't be certain of what other non-mundane surprises he has in store. Could we deal with Clovis right now? Probably. But why should we? He's proven himself enough of an idiot that we can take him out at our leisure, so there's no reason to sacrifice resources we might want in the future to do it right now (or take the risk that he has some surprise we couldn't see coming). We can fall back, strengthen our position, and deal with him when circumstances favor us.
 
notthepenguins said:
Yeah, but a) butterflies are in obvious effect, and b) Lelouch doesn't know the canon chain of actions.
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It's highly unlikely that anyone would try to destroy Shinjuku anyways, all things considered. They don't have the ready made 'nerve gas' excuse to cover it up.

notthepenguins said:
If they have a Knightmare with jade in it, we can't be certain of what other non-mundane surprises he has in store. Could we deal with Clovis right now? Probably. But why should we? He's proven himself enough of an idiot that we can take him out at our leisure, so there's no reason to sacrifice resources we might want in the future to do it right now (or take the risk that he has some surprise we couldn't see coming). We can fall back, strengthen our position, and deal with him when circumstances favor us.
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I find it extremely unlikely that Clovis is the source of the Jade. He may be in on things to a small degree, but largely he's out of the loop in canon. I would bet that Schneizel is where the Jade really came from. I rather doubt he'll be able to handle what we have available to us. We also sent our spies in, so depending on what they report we may already be aware of any potential surprises, or the lack of them.

And no, we can't necessarily take him out at our leisure in the future. Right now he's out in the field, but the Governor's Palace in Tokyo is more likely to have magical defenses we won't easily penetrate. Also, he's aware of C.C. to some degree while Cornelia is not, so leaving him at large means the person in charge of the Area will be looking for her, which is problematic in its own way.
 
I kinda expected that...

Maybe the Britannia royal line has dragon blood?

Or is just that Jade is the most common magical material after all.
 
[X] After committing so many troops Clovis' base must have few guards remaining. This is the perfect opportunity to reach him.
--[X] It is time to apply the seventh wisdom of the fifth chapter of the Art of War: "7. You can be sure of succeeding in your attacks if you only attack places which are undefended.You can ensure the safety of your defense if you only hold positions that cannot be attacked. "
----[X] Can Jade be worked by non-magical tools? Is it a naturally occuring material? The one who used it might not be aware of its true worth.
 
Honestly, Clovis is incompetent. Leaving him in charge would do more good for our cause than killing him.

Seyrun said Shinjuku is half Shadowland already, this massacre will probably push it over into a full one. As far as I'm aware, a Shadowland directly next to a major city is a major headache in itself, combined with Oramus and EB's necromancy charms, it may be a major advantage to us to let the slaughter continue.

That the outrage and horror amongst the Elevens will boost recruitment quite nicely is an added bonus.
 
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[X] After committing so many troops Clovis' base must have few guards remaining. This is the perfect opportunity to reach him.
--[X] It is time to apply the seventh wisdom of the fifth chapter of the Art of War: "7. You can be sure of succeeding in your attacks if you only attack places which are undefended.You can ensure the safety of your defense if you only hold positions that cannot be attacked. "
----[X] Can Jade be worked by non-magical tools? Is it a naturally occuring material? The one who used it might not be aware of its true worth.
 
[X] After committing so many troops Clovis' base must have few guards remaining. This is the perfect opportunity to reach him.
--[X] It is time to apply the seventh wisdom of the fifth chapter of the Art of War: "7. You can be sure of succeeding in your attacks if you only attack places which are undefended.You can ensure the safety of your defense if you only hold positions that cannot be attacked. "
----[X] Can Jade be worked by non-magical tools? Is it a naturally occuring material? The one who used it might not be aware of its true worth.

Enjou said:
It's highly unlikely that anyone would try to destroy Shinjuku anyways, all things considered. They don't have the ready made 'nerve gas' excuse to cover it up.



I find it extremely unlikely that Clovis is the source of the Jade. He may be in on things to a small degree, but largely he's out of the loop in canon. I would bet that Schneizel is where the Jade really came from. I rather doubt he'll be able to handle what we have available to us. We also sent our spies in, so depending on what they report we may already be aware of any potential surprises, or the lack of them.

And no, we can't necessarily take him out at our leisure in the future. Right now he's out in the field, but the Governor's Palace in Tokyo is more likely to have magical defenses we won't easily penetrate. Also, he's aware of C.C. to some degree while Cornelia is not, so leaving him at large means the person in charge of the Area will be looking for her, which is problematic in its own way.
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Controlling Clovis is absolutely something we need to do. He's a nice guy whose also an idiot - it won't be too hard to get him to swear an oath to us. His initial reaction to us revealing ourselves will undoubtedly be joy at his brothers survival, which will make him easy enough to manipulate.

Also Sakuradite = Jade?
 
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Enjou said:
I find it extremely unlikely that Clovis is the source of the Jade. He may be in on things to a small degree, but largely he's out of the loop in canon. I would bet that Schneizel is where the Jade really came from. I rather doubt he'll be able to handle what we have available to us. We also sent our spies in, so depending on what they report we may already be aware of any potential surprises, or the lack of them.
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True, But IC we can't know it. All we know is that the enemy knows about magic. And that makes likely that Clovis has defenses against magical-assasins, since well, the first thing any sane person does after learning about magic is getting protections against it.

OOC, we know that the Lancelot is mainly Lloyd thing, but acting based in OOC assumtions is a very good way to get killed in my books. Going against Clovis isn't a safe bet by any means.

Anyway, i have been thinking about illusion charms. Illusions are excellent for battlefield control, and thus perfect for Lelouch main role as Tactical
comander, and they are thematic for Orasmus too. Something among the lines of taking a nightmare from beyond and superposing it over the landscape, to cause confusion in the enemy.
 
[X] After committing so many troops Clovis' base must have few guards remaining. This is the perfect opportunity to reach him.
--[X] It is time to apply the seventh wisdom of the fifth chapter of the Art of War: "7. You can be sure of succeeding in your attacks if you only attack places which are undefended.You can ensure the safety of your defense if you only hold positions that cannot be attacked. "
----[X] Can Jade be worked by non-magical tools? Is it a naturally occuring material? The one who used it might not be aware of its true worth.

How much XP do we have, if any?
Just curious, and want to start planning for what Abilities and Charms we may need or want.

@Alexander89 I noticed Milly and the rest of the council wasn't mentioned on the Intimacies list.
 
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[X] After committing so many troops Clovis' base must have few guards remaining. This is the perfect opportunity to reach him.
--[X] It is time to apply the seventh wisdom of the fifth chapter of the Art of War: "7. You can be sure of succeeding in your attacks if you only attack places which are undefended.You can ensure the safety of your defense if you only hold positions that cannot be attacked. "
----[X] Can Jade be worked by non-magical tools? Is it a naturally occuring material? The one who used it might not be aware of its true worth.

So it seems to me that Lloyd included a few extras in the Lancelot. Were those earlier suggestions of him having Exalted as well on the mark?
 
[] After committing so many troops Clovis' base must have few guards remaining. This is the perfect opportunity to reach him.
--[] It is time to apply the seventh wisdom of the fifth chapter of the Art of War: "7. You can be sure of succeeding in your attacks if you only attack places which are undefended.You can ensure the safety of your defense if you only hold positions that cannot be attacked. "
----[] Can Jade be worked by non-magical tools? Is it a naturally occuring material? The one who used it might not be aware of its true worth.
 
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codeRR said:
I kinda expected that...

Maybe the Britannia royal line has dragon blood?

Or is just that Jade is the most common magical material after all.
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More likely there are a number of factions in Britannia that have knowledge of magic, or some of them may be Exalted. I'm sure we'll find out eventually. Clovis isn't likely particularly knowledgeable though.

Undead-Spaceman said:
Honestly, Clovis is incompetent. Leaving him in charge would do more good for our cause than killing him.
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Killing him is not the only option. Fiend oaths are quite helpful. Honestly if canon Lelouch had understood the full extent of how his Geass worked at the time and didn't seem to have something against full enslavement early on, he would have benefitted a great deal by

Yog said:
[X] After committing so many troops Clovis' base must have few guards remaining. This is the perfect opportunity to reach him.
--[X] It is time to apply the seventh wisdom of the fifth chapter of the Art of War: "7. You can be sure of succeeding in your attacks if you only attack places which are undefended.You can ensure the safety of your defense if you only hold positions that cannot be attacked. "
----[X] Can Jade be worked by non-magical tools? Is it a naturally occuring material? The one who used it might not be aware of its true worth.
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Jouaint said:
*snip*
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Just a note - this is a one die stunt at best, and may not even count as a stunt as it's not all that stuntlike. If you write one you should ask @Alexander89 if it counts as one and how many dice it gets.

Broken25 said:
True, But IC we can't know it. All we know is that the enemy knows about magic. And that makes likely that Clovis has defenses against magical-assasins, since well, the first thing any sane person does after learning about magic is getting protections against it.

OOC, we know that the Lancelot is mainly Lloyd thing, but acting based in OOC assumtions is a very good way to get killed in my books. Going against Clovis isn't a safe bet by any means.

Anyway, i have been thinking about illusion charms. Illusions are excellent for battlefield control, and thus perfect for Lelouch main role as Tactical
comander, and they are thematic for Orasmus too. Something among the lines of taking a nightmare from beyond and superposing it over the landscape, to cause confusion in the enemy.
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Fortunately we sent in spies to get us info on what's going on inside, so we're not going to be going in blind if we do go in.


Once the GM answers my question about how long ago our spies were sent in I'll write something up.
 
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