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Heh, I like the fact that although Enjou and I came up with our descriptions separately, they both click really well together.
Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)
- Thread starter Alexander89
- Start date
- Crossover
- Location
- Wörms, the half continent
I would, respectfully, disagree. The Lelouch you are talking about is one who lost everything. He lost nunnaly, who is the most central person in his life. The lelouch of then, of the zero requiem, is a very different character to the lelouch of now. For one, he has Milly, someone who he can rely on, who he can tell everything too. In Canon he had C.C. at best, who was unreliable and held secrets of her own. It is possible he could come to embody more Malfean traits, but that could be reflected in the soul's development. As he is now, it is before even the true development of the black hand. Hells bells, it's not even episode two! He is all about lies and subtly, as that is what is keeping him, and more importantly Nunnaly alive.
In regards to what the souls actually look like, my only thought was that MDL-san would look a bit like Cinder Fall from RWBY. With less fire.
Ok, idea for the Sun-Heart Furnace Soul once we get that.
I believe that soul would actually represent Lelouch's compassion for others to an extent. I know that sounds odd given the themes of Malfeas, but hear me out. She would still represent his arrogance, his hate, his desire for vengeance, etc. But it's important to remember exactly why Lelouch hates the things he does. He hates his father for abandoning him and Nunnally and for allowing his mother's killers to get away and not face justice. He hates Britannia for how it treats the people under its rule, utterly forgetting the concept of noblesse oblige. So any soul spawned from that hate would also value the things that cause that hatred and desire for revenge. Essentially, she'd be Lelouch's sense of justice made manifest.
However, continuing in the themes of Malfeas she'd be flawed in much the same ways Lelouch is. Her justice would often be harsh, excessive, prone to overkill in implementation, and sometimes she may become lost in her rage that she might cause collateral damage in the process as she forgets those beneath her. Once she's calmed down, she might well regret what she's done, but it wouldn't stop her from doing it again.
What you get is a queen-like personality that is arrogant and ostentatious, caring but aloof and awe inspiring yet caring towards those she views as her subjects, and utterly terrifying and cruel to those who have stoked the fires of her wrathful glory, reveling in sadistic joy as she crushes those foolish tyrants who she sees as having lost their right to rule under he heel. She'd be what Malfeas might be if he actually gave a shit about other people's needs and wants.
I believe that soul would actually represent Lelouch's compassion for others to an extent. I know that sounds odd given the themes of Malfeas, but hear me out. She would still represent his arrogance, his hate, his desire for vengeance, etc. But it's important to remember exactly why Lelouch hates the things he does. He hates his father for abandoning him and Nunnally and for allowing his mother's killers to get away and not face justice. He hates Britannia for how it treats the people under its rule, utterly forgetting the concept of noblesse oblige. So any soul spawned from that hate would also value the things that cause that hatred and desire for revenge. Essentially, she'd be Lelouch's sense of justice made manifest.
However, continuing in the themes of Malfeas she'd be flawed in much the same ways Lelouch is. Her justice would often be harsh, excessive, prone to overkill in implementation, and sometimes she may become lost in her rage that she might cause collateral damage in the process as she forgets those beneath her. Once she's calmed down, she might well regret what she's done, but it wouldn't stop her from doing it again.
What you get is a queen-like personality that is arrogant and ostentatious, caring but aloof and awe inspiring yet caring towards those she views as her subjects, and utterly terrifying and cruel to those who have stoked the fires of her wrathful glory, reveling in sadistic joy as she crushes those foolish tyrants who she sees as having lost their right to rule under he heel. She'd be what Malfeas might be if he actually gave a shit about other people's needs and wants.
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
Okay, I have to admit: that is pretty damn fitting image with a fitting character behind it. I withdraw my earlier suggestion for Muse-chan's picture, and now support this wholly.
Also, I think her being excessively fond of chess metaphors and symbolism would go well with her character. Like father, like daughter.
- Location
- Denmark
I very much like Enjou's version of the nascent souls, it just seems to fit very well and i can imagine a lot of funny and cool writing material can be made with those 2 in mind.
Kind of sounds like it would be similar to Cornelia, at least in some elements.
Maybe Cornelia crossed with Tsunade from Naruto.
Alexander89
Pet the pretty kitty? Y/N
- Location
- Italy
Alright, time for rewards:
I will. I may include an interlude with the meeting between him and Akito, just to show how other characters behave when Lelouch is not present.
Let's see: for you the reward is, considering all parts of Nadir's adventures...+11 Xp. Do you have a sheet for the soulsteel sword?
I would like to point out that it isn't My Dark Lady who is the Pantheon Charm, but Darkling Grace Complete. Which, now that I think about it, it's strange because the prerequisites for those Charms are off:
+5 Xp for the excellent work Enjou
+3 Xp for you NSMS. Man, the mind of this gal is a scary place...
Nope, I didn't. Great thinking with the Magma Kraken: it's something Kimbery herself would never be able to image, and yet a Green Sun Prince can. I think Nadir makes a magnificent Infernal.End of the Road
False Edit: Did you know that the text of 'Ichor Flux Tendrils' gives limitations on the length of the tendrils and the distance from the infernal from which the tendrils can sprout, but nothing on their girth (this is the only innuendo I'll be making about the charm, otherwise I'll be able to add another thousand words to the post)? So long as there is a big enough source of liquid around this charm just makes the fight scenes in my head so awesome
And finally, here are some words that I've been dying to say ever since I posted my first omake: @Alexander89 , I hope you have as much fun with this character as I had, because Nadir and Gyula are now all yours to play with. Have fun.
I will
. I may include an interlude with the meeting between him and Akito, just to show how other characters behave when Lelouch is not present.Let's see: for you the reward is, considering all parts of Nadir's adventures...+11 Xp. Do you have a sheet for the soulsteel sword?
I would like to point out that it isn't My Dark Lady who is the Pantheon Charm, but Darkling Grace Complete. Which, now that I think about it, it's strange because the prerequisites for those Charms are off:
The obvious solution would be making My Dark Lady the Pantheon, but sadly doesn't meet the requisites of Essence 3+. So, should I change the last three Charms to make so their prerequisite is Darkling Grace Complete instead of My Dark Lady?
- Location
- Wörms, the half continent
It seems fine.
My Dark Lady does seem like a better name for a pantheon charm than Darkling Grace Complete.
Another idea could be to make My Dark Lady both Essence 3 and pantheon. That wouldn't be much of a change, right?
Also, we have another 19 xp for Enjou to add to the plan
. Perhaps maxing out whichever of Performance or Presence we haven't maxed out.
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- Location
- Denmark
Anything else we can add Enjou's plan would be welcome, suggestions anyone?
Soulsteel Reaper Daiklave 'Beggar King'
Speed: 4 Accuracy: +4 (+6 when attuned by an abyssal) Damage: +4L Defense: +1 Rate: 3 Minmums: Strength 2 Attunement: 5 (10 for non-abyssals who wish to make use of the soulsteel bonuses) Cost: 2 (or 3 if you feel that that fits better)
Notes: King Beggar is a reaper daiklave forged for Vulture-Martyr-of-Stained-Glass, a recently exalted Deathknight who has impressed his liegelord, the First and Forsaken Lion. Yet due to the sudden demise of the Nephwrack who was supposed to deliver it to her, its current whereabouts are unknown. Forged from soulsteel, King Beggar can steal the essence from its victims, draining (wielder's Permanent Essence) motes every time it draws blood (= inflicts at least one health level of damage on step 10 of combat resolution).
During its forging the Lion ordered for a powerful illusion to be woven into its very core, giving it the appearance of a roman spatha, a blade half the size of the actual daiklave. Unless the target can pass a reflexive Perception+Awareness roll, difficulty 2 they will suffer a -2 external penalty to their DV, as they cannot see the blade's true dimensions.
Beggar King is accompanied by a sheath which is a perfect fit for the daiklave's true form, yet looks like a sheath meant for a roman spatha. It is an artifact with rating 1 and costs 1 mote of essence to attune.
In terms of XP spending? I'm thinking we should save the extra XP for now.
Alexander89
Pet the pretty kitty? Y/N
- Location
- Italy
That's an idea. Let's see, instead of Witness to Darkness the prerequisite for My Dark Lady can be one of the following:
Alright. You can add it to Nadir's Sheet if you want.
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
I agree. The number of revisions Enjou's plan has gone through getting kind of ridiculous at this point. And besides, we can always later spend the saved up xp on costly traits (and with normally slow training times, like Attributes) with Kaguya's VEE.
Hm. I'm not the best in judging Artifacts, but this seems easily Artifact 3 to me.
Yeah, wasn't sure if the illusion would warrant it as an artifact 3 or if it wouldn't meaningfully change from a base reaper daiklave. I just edited Nadir's stat sheet at the end of 'Second Breath' and I put Beggar King in as an artifact 3.
- Location
- Wörms, the half continent
In my opinion, Noon is Night Evocation or Fervor Driven Antagonism Technique would be suitable. The former due to the nature of the themes (darkness hides) being similar, the latter for more mechanical reasons (both are social). Of the two I would go with NiNE if pressed for one.
I think for the pantheon charms, age is...mostly cosmetic, they were and always will be that age unless that aspect of Lelouch changes the definition of it, in the same way that Ligier is eternally the young, proud prince. They'd start out taking a certain resemblance to the people around him that he associates with their concepts.
-My Dark Lady
--I personally associate this with his Zero persona and costume. Being unique, yet anonymous, a magnetic, villainous presence. So take just that, a mature woman, larger than life, whose face and form remains hidden within mask and cape.
-Muse of Unearthly Delights
--This one is funny, because, consider who Lelouch would associate with bursts of activity, and inspiration and what inspires him? Someone innocent, inspiring, yet erratic and unpredictable....
---Take one Milly, age down, and combine with Kaguya and Nunnally. Aspects of each blended together?
-Sun Heart Furnace Soul
--I'd take a break from his rather fun inner aspects for the moment, and consider who he associates with all the traits of arrogance, callousness, collateral damage, authority and power? Who is the focus of his hate?
---A younger version of his father, though older than he is in the prime of his life and peak of his power, these are all aspects of where he's similar to the one he despises. What does Lelouch do when you makes that realization, that they aren't so different after all? Not necessarily obvious at first sight, but a conclusion that would arise should he make the connection or sees images of the Emperor's younger days.
-My Dark Lady
--I personally associate this with his Zero persona and costume. Being unique, yet anonymous, a magnetic, villainous presence. So take just that, a mature woman, larger than life, whose face and form remains hidden within mask and cape.
-Muse of Unearthly Delights
--This one is funny, because, consider who Lelouch would associate with bursts of activity, and inspiration and what inspires him? Someone innocent, inspiring, yet erratic and unpredictable....
---Take one Milly, age down, and combine with Kaguya and Nunnally. Aspects of each blended together?
-Sun Heart Furnace Soul
--I'd take a break from his rather fun inner aspects for the moment, and consider who he associates with all the traits of arrogance, callousness, collateral damage, authority and power? Who is the focus of his hate?
---A younger version of his father, though older than he is in the prime of his life and peak of his power, these are all aspects of where he's similar to the one he despises. What does Lelouch do when you makes that realization, that they aren't so different after all? Not necessarily obvious at first sight, but a conclusion that would arise should he make the connection or sees images of the Emperor's younger days.
ReaperofInterest
Herald of Disaster
I have to agree with the 'save the new XP' sentiment. We're getting enough stuff right now, we can afford to save some XP for future uses.
IMO, leave Darkling Grace Complete as the Pantheon Charm and don't change anything. I think it's fine as is. Earthscorpion was the one who chose Darkling Grace Complete as the Ebon Dragon Pantheon Charm, and I trust his judgement on the matter. As you said in the expanded version, "Prerequisite Charms to the Pantheon Charms and Charms that use the Pantheon Charm as prerequisite (even if not directly) may be used to expand the deva's themes." so by this My Dark Lady fits into Darkling Grace Complete's themes.
One way to handle it might to have a degree of Charm relation giving the ability to affect the Pantheon Charm soul. Anything descended directly from the Charm (bet it Pantheon-Anchored or not) can have some influence. For prerequisites, anything within two degrees of relation, with the closer things having more influence. So for Darkling Grace Complete, you can get influence from My Dark Lady most of all, but can also get influence from Witness to Darkness (she can see in the dark, no problem) and the Charms directly descending from My Dark Lady also would have influence.
Agreed. I think we're past the point where I should be changing the plan now that we got the Interlude.
ReaperofInterest
Herald of Disaster
Y'know, I just had a thought. Were we the only Infernal to open up a third charmset during this trip to Hell?
- Location
- Brazil
Normaly I would be all for reseving this extra xp for the future, but shouldn't we take into account that we could now buy the Malfeas pantheon charm and get all three souls at once ? To me at least this sounds like an worthy reason to chance the plan at this point
It wouldn't be all at once - Malfeas Charms take extra time to learn for Lelouch. Also... twins is enough of a shock for Lelouch, I think.
Awhile back a couple of us noticed that Lelouch's coven all had "second-string" Yozi as our patrons. More than that consider their portfolios: Oramus is madness and possibility, Hegra is passion and societal chaos, Cytheria is an architect and designer, and you already brought up Szoreny and Isidoros (who are reflections and doing whatever you want,I think?) They're the sort of group you might expect to make their own plan.
Then we got to Malfeas and it turns out that our Coven is more less the highest ranking group of Internal Exalted, if only because all the others died.
And no member of this highest-ranking Coven are beholden to the architects of the Reclamation.
Odd coincidence,isn't it?
They'd probably make empty automatons. SWLiHN would be happy.
The others' suggestions are good, but I have my own ideas for the Sun-Heart Furnace Soul. I think it should be male, because the themes involved are traditionally male and the other two have been suggested to be female. Rather than being wrathful protectiveness or arrogant queen, I'm imagining him as the embodiment of Lelouch's fury as the Scorned Prince. This soul is the memory of that day when Charles told Lelouch that his mother didn't matter and sent him away to be a hostage to a foreign nation. He remembers living happily in the palace with Marianne and Nunnally and fervently wishes for those days to return (mirroring Ligier's memories of living with Ruvelia and Theion).
He is driven, has a short temper and is frowning more often than not. He's the type to stand over a campaign map and slam the table, exulting in decisive victories and raging at the smallest setbacks. He is the militant aspect of Lelouch, endlessly building armies and drilling them to perfection in preparation for the day when his oversoul will spill forth into the world to deploy his endless legions at the doorstep of his hated father. And only then, when Lelouch takes his rightful place on the throne and all acknowledge his right to rule, will the Scorned Prince finally breath in contentment and allow a small smile to grace his features.
He would advise Lelouch on military matters, being a keen strategist and a furious attacker, developing brutal strategies that are all the more effective for their shocking speed and violence. This is the soul that suggests collapsing a mountain on Cornelia's army, or detonating the walls around the city while the defenders still garrison it.