Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

It wouldn't be all at once - Malfeas Charms take extra time to learn for Lelouch. Also... twins is enough of a shock for Lelouch, I think.
There is notthing saying that the new sould would be noticed as soon as he learns the charm, or that we can't order the training so that we get the Phanteon charms close together, we have the xp and if we are getting more sould we may as well get them all at once, it's will be exponentialy funnier, have a more streamlined aplication, we will be able to see all of their interactions from the start and if you were worried about shock you wouldn't have planed for twins, it will be like taking of a bandaid
 
I like the current concepts for the twins, but I kinda want to expand on Muse-chan some. Muses are typically characterized as fickle, they come and go as they please. I like the thought of Muse-chan coming across as slothful, indolent, and apathetic if the topic doesn't really appeal to Lelouch and consequently her. Maybe have her pick up and drop hobbies frequently and have whatever hobby she's currently infatuated with be oddly intriguing to Lelouch. Maybe mechanically give Lelouch a random 1 dot specialty that changes each week. It's not necessary, and it probably wouldn't have much impact outside of maybe encouraging us to think outside the box if we get a quasi useful specialty.

And Peanuckle outlined exactly the kind of subsoul I want for the Malfeas charm. The sort of Righteous indignation is perfect for Lelouch.
 
IMO, leave Darkling Grace Complete as the Pantheon Charm and don't change anything. I think it's fine as is. Earthscorpion was the one who chose Darkling Grace Complete as the Ebon Dragon Pantheon Charm, and I trust his judgement on the matter. As you said in the expanded version, "Prerequisite Charms to the Pantheon Charms and Charms that use the Pantheon Charm as prerequisite (even if not directly) may be used to expand the deva's themes." so by this My Dark Lady fits into Darkling Grace Complete's themes.

One way to handle it might to have a degree of Charm relation giving the ability to affect the Pantheon Charm soul. Anything descended directly from the Charm (bet it Pantheon-Anchored or not) can have some influence. For prerequisites, anything within two degrees of relation, with the closer things having more influence. So for Darkling Grace Complete, you can get influence from My Dark Lady most of all, but can also get influence from Witness to Darkness (she can see in the dark, no problem) and the Charms directly descending from My Dark Lady also would have influence.
Uhm, that works.

Y'know, I just had a thought. Were we the only Infernal to open up a third charmset during this trip to Hell?
Yep. Kaguya and Milly are still mastering the gifts of their patrons, while Akito and Rakshataare fine with what they have.

I had an idea about Melody: maybe she can create an Heretical Charm using Tool-Transcending Constructs and one of Hegra's emotion-inducing Charms. Basically a Charm that let her do what her Motivation wants, playing a music piece that drive people to their knees.
 
I had an idea about Melody: maybe she can create an Heretical Charm using Tool-Transcending Constructs and one of Hegra's emotion-inducing Charms. Basically a Charm that let her do what her Motivation wants, playing a music piece that drive people to their knees.
Eh, you don't really need to. You can stunt music as a social attack, and TTC lets you mimic musical instruments, so she could use Extravagant Reveler Carnival to enhance her performance and make people feel whatever she feels.
 
He is driven, has a short temper and is frowning more often than not. He's the type to stand over a campaign map and slam the table, exulting in decisive victories and raging at the smallest setbacks. He is the militant aspect of Lelouch, endlessly building armies and drilling them to perfection in preparation for the day when his oversoul will spill forth into the world to deploy his endless legions at the doorstep of his hated father. And only then, when Lelouch takes his rightful place on the throne and all acknowledge his right to rule, will the Scorned Prince finally breath in contentment and allow a small smile to grace his features.

He would advise Lelouch on military matters, being a keen strategist and a furious attacker, developing brutal strategies that are all the more effective for their shocking speed and violence. This is the soul that suggests collapsing a mountain on Cornelia's army, or detonating the walls around the city while the defenders still garrison it.
While I find the first part of your idea for Heart something I could potentially back, I think these next parts could use some fine-tuning. Muse will already represent Lelouch's strategic brilliance and ruthelessness, so how about letting Heart represent in militant aspects more of his father's forceful LARGE HAM charisma? That part of him that lets him incite rebellions and get people behind his cause by making them believe in it? He would represent the times like when Lelouch as Zero boldy announced himself to the world, offers Tamaki a gun and tells him to shoot him if he doesn't want to follow him and numerous other times when he just stuns his opposition with his sheer personality and (outwardly) nearly insane risk-taking. All while also embodying his belief that the King must lead from the front to be worth following.

Mind you, I still might go for Enjou's Queen Heart. I'll see how the first two souls will develop before commiting to supporting anything.
 
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The others' suggestions are good, but I have my own ideas for the Sun-Heart Furnace Soul. I think it should be male, because the themes involved are traditionally male and the other two have been suggested to be female. Rather than being wrathful protectiveness or arrogant queen, I'm imagining him as the embodiment of Lelouch's fury as the Scorned Prince. This soul is the memory of that day when Charles told Lelouch that his mother didn't matter and sent him away to be a hostage to a foreign nation. He remembers living happily in the palace with Marianne and Nunnally and fervently wishes for those days to return (mirroring Ligier's memories of living with Ruvelia and Theion).

He is driven, has a short temper and is frowning more often than not. He's the type to stand over a campaign map and slam the table, exulting in decisive victories and raging at the smallest setbacks. He is the militant aspect of Lelouch, endlessly building armies and drilling them to perfection in preparation for the day when his oversoul will spill forth into the world to deploy his endless legions at the doorstep of his hated father. And only then, when Lelouch takes his rightful place on the throne and all acknowledge his right to rule, will the Scorned Prince finally breath in contentment and allow a small smile to grace his features.

He would advise Lelouch on military matters, being a keen strategist and a furious attacker, developing brutal strategies that are all the more effective for their shocking speed and violence. This is the soul that suggests collapsing a mountain on Cornelia's army, or detonating the walls around the city while the defenders still garrison it.

I haven't had a chance to respond to this yet, but now that I do I have a few issues to bring up.

1. The idea that the themes are traditionally male has no sway with me as an argument. And hey, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, as they say. Hate, vengeance, arrogance, and all that are all themes that can apply to females just as much as males. Personally I just want this soul to be female so that until Lelouch gets another Yozi to open up its Charms he and Seyrun are stuck babysitting a bunch of women, and also like the idea of a female Ligier-esque soul.

2. Lelouch's fury isn't limited to his being the scorned prince, and I don't think we should limit the resulting soul as such. It should be remembered that these souls will need to be tied to an Intimacy, and if you limit their nature too much then you could end up with them being linked to an Intimacy that's either too limiting or too likely to be broken in a natural way and thus killing the soul and wasting your investment in said soul. If Lelouch develops enough in character due to getting more friends, building up his own empire, and other things to get over being the scorned prince, where does that leave this soul?

That's why I think that giving the soul Lelouch's sense of justice and noblesse oblige makes sense. It's broad enough that it's very unlikely to change, and I don't see Lelouch completely forgoing his pride on a permanent basis either - even canon Lelouch in his dying breath declared he destroyed and recreated the world. Lelouch's anger as the scorned prince is also rooted in the injustice of it. He didn't do anything wrong in his mind, only asking his father why he didn't do anything to protect his mother and sister and why he gave up the search for the culprits, and he gets banished for it? What's more, his sister also gets banished? And then his father even tries to kill them to make martyrs out of them? And Nunnally is even more of a victim, having not even defied the emperor in any way! To Lelouch it's not just a matter of how he was scorned, it's a matter of how he was wronged. If he, his mother, and Nunnally had done something to deserve such treatment, then that might be one thing, but they didn't. And so he wants a measure of justice, even if it's more along the lines of revenge than lawful justice. The fact that he continues seeing Britannia wronging the Japanese and other people he might care about only furthers his hatred for his father and the wretched empire that man rules. So, rage filled justice seems to make a lot of sense to me as the theme for the soul.

3. As meinmaru pointed out, the strategic brilliance is something better going to Muse I think. There can be overlap, of course, but we want each soul to be a unique entity. I also think it's preferable each one inherits something good and something bad from Lelouch. Here's what I'm thinking:

Muse of Unearthly Delights
-Core Attribute and Skill: Intelligence and War, with a side of maybe Wits and Craft
-Good Traits From Lelouch: Brilliance, competitive drive, creativity
-Bad Traits From Lelouch: Childishly and ruthlessly competitive, apathetic and lazy towards things outside one's interests

Darkling Grace Complete
-Core Attribute and Skill: Manipulation and Performance, with a side of Appearance and Socialize
-Good Traits From Lelouch: A great way with words, passion, reading people, maybe also family oriented
-Bad Traits From Lelouch: A strong inclination towards deception, really able to hurt people with her words even without always meaning to but especially when pissed

Sun-Heart Furnace Soul
-Core Attribute and Skill: Charisma and Presence, with maybe a side of Dexterity and Drive. (Lelouch has Knightmare skillz now!)
-Good Traits From Lelouch: Sense of justice/noblesse oblige, driven, daring and ostentatious if a bit hammy, natural leader.
-Bad Traits From Lelouch: Rage, hate, and anger that makes it easy to forget that sense of justice and cause collateral damage, and may not feel sufficient regret when it happens. Arrogant and aloof. Sadistic and cruel to enemies. (she would be kind of like Ligier, in these regards, but more in the style of Lelouch)

Sun-Heart Furnace Soul seems like she'd be the best for a more combat oriented soul. She's the one who goes into the battlefield and murderstomps things. That's not to say she wouldn't have any skill in War, but I think her skill would be more tactics oriented rather than grand strategy.
 
So we're going to be fighting Abyssals here... can we exploit that, get them to kill off people we don't like and bring heat on them instead of on us?
Nothing says we have to fight them first, after all, right?
Just have the assholes who we'll be fighting later expend precious assets on their own instead, while we sit over here laughing at them and lining up the pieces to make our own move.
 
So we're going to be fighting Abyssals here... can we exploit that, get them to kill off people we don't like and bring heat on them instead of on us?
Nothing says we have to fight them first, after all, right?
Just have the assholes who we'll be fighting later expend precious assets on their own instead, while we sit over here laughing at them and lining up the pieces to make our own move.
...must ...resist ...urge ...to give spoilers.
 
So we're going to be fighting Abyssals here... can we exploit that, get them to kill off people we don't like and bring heat on them instead of on us?
Nothing says we have to fight them first, after all, right?
Just have the assholes who we'll be fighting later expend precious assets on their own instead, while we sit over here laughing at them and lining up the pieces to make our own move.

They'll likely be around for a while, but our general goal needs to be to kill or capture them rather than letting them gather resources.
 
So we're going to be fighting Abyssals here... can we exploit that, get them to kill off people we don't like and bring heat on them instead of on us?
Nothing says we have to fight them first, after all, right?

Against Exalted oponents (Especially solaroid level oponents) giving them time to earn resources/xp/allies isn't a good idea, ever.

If you can't reason with them, the correct course of action is to kill them as quickly as you can.
 
They'll likely be around for a while, but our general goal needs to be to kill or capture them rather than letting them gather resources.
I just don't like the idea of us helping the Sidereals by doing their job for them.
Would feel much better if they at least lost 5ish Sidereals in a horrible fight before we move in.
That'd really stress Heaven's resources, perhaps enough to let us operate far more freely given all the other shit that'll go down.
 
Against Exalted oponents (Especially solaroid level oponents) giving them time to earn resources/xp/allies isn't a good idea, ever.

If you can't reason with them, the correct course of action is to kill them as quickly as you can.
If we can't reason with a celestial tier Exalted we should ship then via Mao express to Malfeas for safekeping, killing then just free the exaltation and I personaly would like to avoid the sisyphean aspect of this conflict as much as possible
 
The idea that the themes are traditionally male has no sway with me as an argument.
That's fine, but then it's down to arbitrary choice, and I'd prefer a roughly equivalent split. Making them all girls right off the bat smacks of harem comedy and wacky hijinks, which aren't things I enjoy very much.

2. Lelouch's fury isn't limited to his being the scorned prince, and I don't think we should limit the resulting soul as such.
Lelouch's anger stems almost entirely from his mother's wrongful death and his exile. It's the largest facet of his negativity, so it would be the most apparent expression of wrath he has. As far as tying to intimacies go (which I still don't like), it would be something like: Miscarriage of Justice (Righteous Anger). That would cover the initial event and remain applicable for the rest of his life.

That's why I think that giving the soul Lelouch's sense of justice and noblesse oblige makes sense.
These devas are cast through the relevant charm and the Yozi's excellency. The Sun-Heart Furnace Soul is not going to be benevolent. It will be angry, destructive and hateful. A proper intimacy will direct its tendencies towards acceptable targets, which is what I think we're both going for.

As an amusing side-note, casting them through the excellency means this particular deva will be an amazing dancer.
 
Long term imprisonment of Celestial-tier Exalts is just asking to have something bad to you happen.
But killing a celestial tier just mean another one will pop up for us to deal with, that why emprissoning then is the only long term solution. Of course we should ake sure they are unable to escape, we start be removing any artifacts, legs, arms, eyes, tongue and hair, encase them in solid imperishable magical material with a feeding tube and one to colect waste, maybe in a room treted /with artifacts designed to keep their mote pools empity and stope mote repiration, everything rigged to kill them if anyone tries to remove then whitout the authorization and/or presence of the Marshal/Ligier/Multiple Veted unquestionables. So yes imprisonement may be inviting disaster, thats why we should be realy trought.
 
But killing a celestial tier just mean another one will pop up for us to deal with, that why emprissoning then is the only long term solution. Of course we should ake sure they are unable to escape, we start be removing any artifacts, legs, arms, eyes, tongue and hair, encase them in solid imperishable magical material with a feeding tube and one to colect waste, maybe in a room treted /with artifacts designed to keep their mote pools empity and stope mote repiration, everything rigged to kill them if anyone tries to remove then whitout the authorization and/or presence of the Marshal/Ligier/Multiple Veted unquestionables. So yes imprisonement may be inviting disaster, thats why we should be realy trought.
Uh huh. And if Hell had that kind of tech they would have likely won the Primordial War.
 
Uh huh. And if Hell had that kind of tech they would have likely won the Primordial War.
first, I doubt they were worried about keeping prisoners or stoping solar ressurection during the primordial war
second, even if that which doesn't exist can be developed the fact is that beyond maybe using something to stop mote respiration everything else doesn't require any exotic tech at all.
 
But killing a celestial tier just mean another one will pop up for us to deal with, that why emprissoning then is the only long term solution. Of course we should ake sure they are unable to escape, we start be removing any artifacts, legs, arms, eyes, tongue and hair, encase them in solid imperishable magical material with a feeding tube and one to colect waste, maybe in a room treted /with artifacts designed to keep their mote pools empity and stope mote repiration, everything rigged to kill them if anyone tries to remove then whitout the authorization and/or presence of the Marshal/Ligier/Multiple Veted unquestionables. So yes imprisonement may be inviting disaster, thats why we should be realy trought.

Uh huh. And if Hell had that kind of tech they would have likely won the Primordial War.

In fact, the long term imprisonment of an exalt is flat impossible. Being restrained counts as training time for charms that let you break the restraint. Think of this as an extension of the old trope where you walk barefoot over coals or wander shirtless through a blizzard to train survival to hostile environments. Except in this case, being locked in a cell counts as training for lockpicking charms, having your limbs amputated counts as training time for medicine charms to grow them back, being rendered insensate via toxins or drugs counts as training time for resistance charms to immunize yourself, and so on. Quite literally, the only safe exalt is a dead one.
 
In fact, the long term imprisonment of an exalt is flat impossible. Being restrained counts as training time for charms that let you break the restraint. Think of this as an extension of the old trope where you walk barefoot over coals or wander shirtless through a blizzard to train survival to hostile environments. Except in this case, being locked in a cell counts as training for lockpicking charms, having your limbs amputated counts as training time for medicine charms to grow them back, being rendered insensate via toxins or drugs counts as training time for resistance charms to immunize yourself, and so on. Quite literally, the only safe exalt is a dead one.
:rofl::lol:rofl::lol:rofl:

This is funny specifically because dead Exalts, due to being completely specialized for killing all of the things, are in fact the deadliest Exalted in all of creation. :V
 
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In fact, the long term imprisonment of an exalt is flat impossible. Being restrained counts as training time for charms that let you break the restraint. Think of this as an extension of the old trope where you walk barefoot over coals or wander shirtless through a blizzard to train survival to hostile environments. Except in this case, being locked in a cell counts as training for lockpicking charms, having your limbs amputated counts as training time for medicine charms to grow them back, being rendered insensate via toxins or drugs counts as training time for resistance charms to immunize yourself, and so on. Quite literally, the only safe exalt is a dead one.
What about mote tapping them, then using a shaping effect to freeze them in time?

Still alive, so the Exaltation is still around.
Time isn't moving so they can't respire Essence, and training is impossible.
 
What about mote tapping them, then using a shaping effect to freeze them in time?

Still alive, so the Exaltation is still around.
Time isn't moving so they can't respire Essence, and training is impossible.
It's a good way to keep them fresh, but that doesn't change the fact that one day they'll bust out because they decided to pull a Kamina and do the impossible.

You're suggesting Anti-spiral answers for something like a Spiral Energy problem, and everybody knows how that turned out.
 
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