Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

Came across a new concept: Heretical Shintai Charms. Have an example:
Emergent Viridian Angel Shintai
Cost: 20 motes, 1 WP; Mins: Essence 6; Type: Simple
Keywords: Obvious, Blasphemy, Form-Type, Shaping, Emotion
Duration: One Scene
Prerequisite Charms: Demon Emperor Shintai, Herustic Logos Shintai, Emerald Angel Unfurling

At first, the activation of this Charm appears to be identical to Demon Emperor Shintai. The Shimna cry out as the terrible keening cry of that-which-was-Malfeas resounds throughout the cosmos, the strands of Fate but spider webs to the King. But when the humiliation of what he has become strikes Malfeas, the Green Sun Prince declares that he is not his forebears. He asserts the self-control of the Emerald Angel, and he does not coalesce back into the Demon Emperor. Vast wings of colourless radiance spread out, burning sun-bright, and the terrible empyrean chaos wraps itself around bones of crystal and light. The colour shifts, from purest white, as the anima banner of the Exalt bleeds into it, but the edges and tips of the wing always retain this pure colour. This is the Emergent Viridian Angel; the unforeseen and unexpected product of the Reclamation, and a force of terrible stability and majesty.

The Emergent Viridian Angel is between forty and eighty metres high, warstrider sized, a vast winged giant made of majesty. Its wings reach high above even it, sprouting forth from shoulders and waste and back and ankles, up hundreds of metres. It is almost inconceivable that such a thing came from within a human body, even an Exalted one, yet that is the truth. Creation burns at its prescence, for the world cannot face the Pyrian fires unshielded by crystal, and the former majesty of its King, yet the will of the Angel forces it to face its fragility.

  • The character counts as a unit with Magnitude equal to the highest of his Charisma, Essence or Intelligence in Mass Combat. Enemies do not benefit from Magnitude, unless they are the same scale as the Angel.
  • Creation burns from the majesty of the Angel, still too confined for others to be safe. All non-sapient wildlife and plant-like within visual range of the Angel, up to a limit of Essence miles, around it die in the terrible light, burning with a colourless, cold flame to fall to the ground as snow-like ash. All bodies of water in the area shift permanently, as a Shaping effect, to something that is no-longer water; viscous, red, and smelling faintly of blood. The Wyld fares worse; everything that the light of the Angel shines upon is made permanently part of Creation, and counts as something that the character shaped with Creative Convergences of Principles for the purposes of that Charm.
  • All characters must pass a Valour check after seeing the Angel for the first time, or lose a point of Willpower as an Emotion effect. This roll must be made again, every time the Angel injures the character.
  • Torrential gales form, a vast hurricane centred on the character. All ranged weapons used within Essence x 100 metres of the Angel suffer an external penalty of the character's Essence.
  • Emerald Angel Unfurling activates for free upon the activation of this Charm. Moreover, the number of wings increases to the highest of Essence or Integrity, and the character regenerates one wing each time their DV refreshes.
  • The activation of Counter-Conceptual Interposition does not count as a Charm activation for the character, although they may choose not to. Should they chose to make use of this, though, the defence always manifests in the same way; as a wall of geometrical shapes, cast of the colour of the Infernal's anima.
  • The character may fly with their wings, as if under the effects of Ascendant Objectivity Stance.

Now the question is: good or bad idea? Not just above Charm, but idea in general.
 
Nemesis Self Imagined Anew-Turns us into an inverted copy of an enemy. Social advantages, basis for other charms.

Puissance Mimicry Intuition-Lets us copy the charms of others by using Nemesis Self. As a Fiend, we can use this as a way to learn foreign techniques.

Black Mirror Shintai- Among other things, enables perfect impersonation. Nifty, as with all Shintai.
Some elaborations on these charms.

NSIA only alters your motivation and intimacies to an inversion of the target not anything else. This basically means changing your personality and values to become someones worst enemy, it also indirectly tells you what their intimacies are. (there is also an unlisted upgrade that doubles penalties made by targeting the intimacies of the person you are mimicking with this charm)

PMI only allows charm copying with a second purchase at higher essence normally it only allows for ability/attribute copying if they exceed our values.

BMS is exactly as good as it sounds as you just use their character sheet instead of yours but with the motivations inverted ala NSIA.
 
Came across a new concept: Heretical Shintai Charms. Have an example:
I'm not sure about it mechanically, though it seems a cool concept in both general sense and with this specific Charm. But as an alternative or an addition, could we maybe make a new Shintai -Charm based on our own Charm-sets after learning The Flame of the Rising Phoenix?

Hmm. I wonder what Lelouch's own Shintai -form would be? The Faceless Rebel/Liberator?
 
Beautiful In My Way said:
Oramus is alien—he is Other in a sense that none of the other Yozis, even the Ebon Dragon, can match. And yet he possesses an eerie, strange beauty that draws demons to his perpetually bound self like moths to a candle's flame. On purchasing this Charm the Infernal's Appearance is increased to the highest rating allowed by her Essence, without the need to purchase dots. Every scene the Infernal spends with another character counts as Unnatural Mental Influence devoted to building an Intimacy of Rapt Fascination in that character. In the case the Infernal's natural Appearance reaches the current cap, this effect ceases. The Exalt may spend 2 Willpower points (reduced to 1 point for positive Intimacies) to not cause this effect in a given character for a scene. If other characters pay Willpower to reject the Unnatural Mental Influence, they become immune to it for the remaining of the scene.

The green segment feels odd to me. If the charm increases your Appearance to the max limit, then how could you increase your Appearance further? Do the charm-granted dots get treated as "false" dots that you have to purchase over? Why would you ever do such a thing anyways? It doesn't really add anything except a flimsy escape clause that nobody would ever use. You'd have to sink a ton of XP to do it, then re-do it every time your max Appearance increased. I think it should just be removed.

First Excellency said:
This Excellency may be used in any action which defies conventions; Oramus adores rebellion. It may also be used to enhance any action associated, however abstractly, with the number seven. It may not be used on any action in which the Infernal displays doubts; all who've spoken with the Infinite Doorway at Saigoth's Dawn know of his desperate faith, and he hides all doubts in dark places. Finally, this Charm may be used to enhance prayer rolls, given that they are not directed at gods; Oramus shuns Creation's corrupt deities.
The highlighted phrase is a bad idea; How would you define doubt? Suppressing a virtue? Contrary to your Motivation or Urge? The character not roleplaying well enough? ST fiat? The condition in which an excellency cannot be used should be very clear. How about "This charm cannot be used to enhance any action in which the Infernal attempts to suppress disorder, such as trying to calm an upset crowd or dispersing a riot."
 
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Omake - Implications (Canon)
Implications​

The first man portable anti frame weapon-
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Truly revolutionary, for the fir-
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A gift from Allah himself, at last we can-
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An unprecedented advance in counter frame ta-
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See the buggers dodge this!
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All I know is that if my tank had guns like that i'd be lot less worried about running into some Britannian dandy in a knightmare frame.
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Rakshata was nonplussed. She had expected a reaction to the weapons she had designed for the MEF, but not nearly to this extent. More and more a common theme was becoming apparent in the media's reaction, there had not been any counter to knightmare frames before her designs. She had been aware there were no active frame weapons before she had started the project, but only now was she coming to realize just how significant and pervasive that lack of anti frame anything had been. Not only where there no anti frame weapons, but there was a complete lack of anti frame tactics beyond the most basic. The EU had known for years that the control of japan's sakurite deposits gave Britannia an insurmountable advantage in Knightmare frames, and yet had utterly failed to try and leverage any of there other military assets.

Her curiosity piqued by the media storm, Rakshata had spent days pouring over hours of combat footage taken from EU border skirmishes, the EUs tactics for engaging Knightmare frames with tanks seemed to mostly involve simply firing at the frame while it closed, hoping to get in a lucky shot, usually followed by exploding when they failed to get said lucky shot. The gunship tactics made even less sense, she'd actually called Akio to confirm that the EU did indeed instruct there gunship pilots to actually close to there dumbfire rockets preferred range, and hold steady for maximum accuracy. Apparently this had been moderately effective, until the next generation of slash harkens had been specifically designed to make such an approach suicidal.

It made no sense, Knightmare frames where not a new weapon. They had existed for years, and their capabilities were well known. It broke the pattern of military development. Every new weapon was soon met with a counter. Heavy cavalry had met with spear walls, aircraft had met SAM and flak batteries, tanks had met helicopters and bazookas, but somehow no one had been able to come up with a counter to knightmare frames. This was especially baffling because Rakshata had come up with a rough prototype of an effective anti frame weapon within a week.

Something troubling you mistress?

Varas, in your honest opinion do you think designing the scorpion was beyond mortal limits?


I feel that I am in a uniquely poor position to answer that question.

Let me rephrase it then, would designing the scorpion or something like it be beyond what little skill at engineering you've picked up by looking over my shoulder?

She could practically feel varas shifting uncomfortably down in depths of her soul. While she and Varas had a solid working relationship, the demon could still be skittish when put on the spot.

Think of it as a thought experiment.

Very well then mistress. While I do not think I could create something quite as refined as the scorpion, I believe I could achieve similar results.

How?

I would start with 2 electric anti-material rifles. I'd strip the rails out of them and mount them onto a custom built barel. Then i'd overcharge them, probably with a repurposed car battery.

That would certainly work, In fact that sounds exactly like something that should occur to anyone with basic knowledge of rail weapons and knightmare frames.

Thank you mistress. If I may ask, what brought on this impromptu engineering assessment?

I wanted to make sure the idea behind the scorpion really was simple enough to be obvious to someone who had not surpassed human limits.

Like that time you asked your support team to refine-

Yes. exactly like that, ahrm. moving on. The point is that if the idea behind the scorpion is so simple, why didn't anything like it already exist? Almost the entire world has had more than half a decade to come up with an answer to Knightmare frames, and we've shown a basic one is fairly simple.

But no one else came up with it… and the world is acting as though what you came up with was some impossible miracle.

It's not just weapon either. It's like for some reason no one is capable of coming up with a way to fight Knightmare frames other than to use their own frames. What could cause something like that?

hmmm, to affect the entirety of creation to such an extent would be difficult even for the likes of the unquestionables, the most likely cause is a political one.

What kind of political maneuvering could convince the EU not to develop a counter to the primary weapon of their largest threat?

Divine, the political games of the corrupt usurper gods can greatly influence mortals.

Things were so much simpler when I was an atheist.

Wisdom can bring burdens as easily as it bring power.

So, Yu-Shan appears to be working to keep Knightmare frames as the pinnacle of warfare, the obvious question is why.

The most obvious answer is for personal benefit. Britannia benefits greatly from the unnatural supremacy of knightmare frames, and through them a great many gods.

But wouldn't just as many gods be in opposition to them? I doubt the native gods of japan came out ahead when they were conquered.

True, there would have to be something more… ah! of course! the Dragon blooded. Britannias noble classes are crawling with them. That would let them bargain with gods to a far greater extent any other mortal power.

We live in secular times Varas, I don't think Britannia would be able to tell people to worship a specific god without drawing attention.

There are more ways than open worship to strengthen a god. They could agree to make certain things part of daily life, I'd imaging great many gods of tradition and subjugation have grown fat off of Britannia.

That… that would actually explain some things. Britannia has a history of being unnecessarily harsh with its now territories, and seemingly arbitrary about which customs to allow its conquered people to retain. If they're using targeted obliteration of native culture to punish gods who don't' fall in line….

That would be a rather effective stick, though to avoid push back from such heavy handed tactics they would need a sweeter carrot than simply shaping customs, ah! of course, slaves.

Slaves?

yes. prayer slaves are quite valuable. The amount of faith a god can extract from a group of mortals totally in there power is limited only by how quickly a god is willing to go through them. Given that disappearances among the subjugated numbers are common enough that they can't be totally hidden from outsiders they must ha-… Mistress? Mistress are you alright?

Rakshata was far from alright. her caste mark flared, and essene swirled around her seeking a target to lash out at. Coldly she thought that It made a twisted kind of sense, neither the corrupt things that infested Yu-Shan or Britannians considered those below them anything but a resource to be exploited. Her pipe shattered between iron hard fingers forming into a fist.

Rakshata!

She could taste bile rise in the back of her throat. Memories she'd long forced down into the bottom of her soul briefly came bubbling up to surface. she started running the numbers. Assume the practice began shortly after the fall of japan, assume Britannia could hide between three and six disappearances for every one that became known... Rakshata mechanically stood up as the couch she had been sitting on disintegrated, and its materials were drawn into a rapidly growing halo of debris orbiting the burning green sphere surrounding her.

please, you're scaring me…

and like that it was over. Rakshata stood amidst the ruin of her room, taking deep breaths she slowly uncurled shaking fingers.

I'm sorry! I should not have-

NO, no varas, you didn't do anything wrong.

… It's just a theory, there could be other causes.

Yes, yes of course we can't know for certain. I apologize for scaring you Varas, I won't let myself lose control like that in the future.

Of course mistress….

there was a pregnant pause, as Varas desire to know what had caused such a violent reaction warred with his fear of provoking another. eventually Rakshata broke the silence.

I'll tell you about it some other time, for now Why don't you tell me some of your other theories while I clean up my mess.

as Varas began to speak of other possible causes, a sidral plot, a war god unusually skilled at politics, or perhaps simply an abundance of blackmail material the broken objects littering the room began to one by one piece themselves back together. By the time Varas was done rakasha was lying down on the newly remade couch, and slowly chewing on the end of her reforged pipe. trying very hard not to notice how small Varas sounded right now, Rakshata began making plans to investigate exactly why knightmare frames had become so dominant. If it truly was because Britannia was buying divine favor with the blood of its people, Well there were still a few lines she'd refused to cross, but for those willing to sell the very souls of their peopel , she could make an exception.




I swear this was like 2 paragraphs in my head. basically I took some of the implications for how Knightmare frames and the end all be all of mortal warfare, and ran with them in the most disturbing possible direction. as for why Rakshata flipped out like that, well I made some assumptions about her backstory that (I think) are technically canon compliant, and I intend to go into a bit of detail to why slavery set her off so much in a follow up.
 
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I wonder why so many people want knightmares to not be simple the best weapons of war ever. It is an anime, logic should not aply to start with and I wonder what people have against cool mecha duels....
Actualy, considering how cool mechas are does anyone else think that their supremacy may be in part a result of the patern spiders wanting to have cool stuff to watch ? That is after all the in universe explanation to stunt dice, and if they were biased towards knightmares that would help explain why people whitout lose more often than not
 
Yeah kinda getting annoyed with people using Omakes and chargens as soapboxes to rant about mechs in a mecha anime show. It's both completely missing the point and an asinine attempt to shoehorn your beliefs into someone else's work.

the whole point of mechs is to make war more about individual pilots and their skill, and attempting to introduce tank/fighter aces is trying to bring back some notion of 'realism' while still emphasizing individual asskickery. It's trying to have your cake and eat it do. If we want 'practical' why in the hell are we playing a game of Exalted?
 
I wonder why so many people want knightmares to not be simple the best weapons of war ever. It is an anime, logic should not aply to start with and I wonder what people have against cool mecha duels....
Actualy, considering how cool mechas are does anyone else think that their supremacy may be in part a result of the patern spiders wanting to have cool stuff to watch ? That is after all the in universe explanation to stunt dice, and if they were biased towards knightmares that would help explain why people whitout lose more often than not

it's more that if they are going to be dominant beyond all reason there should be an in universe cause, and given our primary foe uses them as their primary weapon,if it's a reason we can fuck with, doing so becomes a viable strategic goal.
 
The green segment feels odd to me. If the charm increases your Appearance to the max limit, then how could you increase your Appearance further? Do the charm-granted dots get treated as "false" dots that you have to purchase over? Why would you ever do such a thing anyways? It doesn't really add anything except a flimsy escape clause that nobody would ever use. You'd have to sink a ton of XP to do it, then re-do it every time your max Appearance increased. I think it should just be removed.


I agree with Peanuckle here, @Alexander89 - the Rapt Fascination going away when you naturally increase your appearance doesn't make sense. Having the effect ever not be present goes against the themes of being an Infernal and becoming less human as you take Charms. What I would do instead is make it so that if the Infernal maxes out their Appearance normally to as high as they can for their Essence rating, the Charm applies a bonus of (Essence/2, rounded down) dots of Appearance. This encourages the person with the Charm to still spend XP on Appearance rather than just leaving it.

The highlighted phrase is a bad idea; How would you define doubt? Suppressing a virtue? Contrary to your Motivation or Urge? The character not roleplaying well enough? ST fiat? The condition in which an excellency cannot be used should be very clear. How about "This charm cannot be used to enhance any action in which the Infernal attempts to suppress disorder, such as trying to calm an upset crowd or dispersing a riot."

Displaying uncertainty in your actions or things like that would fit. If you say "I'm not sure this will work" the Excellency can't apply - doubts have to be hidden. So, "I think my idea is dumb and I'd like alternatives" doesn't work, but "my plan is great, but I'm open to other ideas" is fine. You hide your doubts. You are confident out in the open, and keep any doubts you have hidden. Yeah, ST fiat decides it, sure, but that's the case with lots of Infernal Excellencies.
 
Yeah kinda getting annoyed with people using Omakes and chargens as soapboxes to rant about mechs in a mecha anime show. It's both completely missing the point and an asinine attempt to shoehorn your beliefs into someone else's work.

the whole point of mechs is to make war more about individual pilots and their skill, and attempting to introduce tank/fighter aces is trying to bring back some notion of 'realism' while still emphasizing individual asskickery. It's trying to have your cake and eat it do. If we want 'practical' why in the hell are we playing a game of Exalted?

Point of order, i'm more pro meta than anti mecha. I'm mostly attracted to the idea that what at first seems like a setting convention has an actual in universe cause. though baring relevant plot points i'm probably going to be mostly doing character pieces for my next few omakes.
 
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What I would do instead is make it so that if the Infernal maxes out their Appearance normally to as high as they can for their Essence rating, the Charm applies a bonus of (Essence/2, rounded down) dots of Appearance. This encourages the person with the Charm to still spend XP on Appearance rather than just leaving it.

Hum, this would make maxing App actually tempting. In part due to the great mechanical advantage (specially when combined with My Dark Lady) but mostly due to the hijinck value.

Actually, given how much XP we are earning, i am inclined to waste a bit doing it.
 
Ah, the "You are an Angel/Eva from Evangelion" Shintai?
Now that I look at it, you're kind of right...neat.
I'm not sure about it mechanically, though it seems a cool concept in both general sense and with this specific Charm. But as an alternative or an addition, could we maybe make a new Shintai -Charm based on our own Charm-sets after learning The Flame of the Rising Phoenix?

Hmm. I wonder what Lelouch's own Shintai -form would be? The Faceless Rebel/Liberator?
I suppose it greatly depends how he grown from now on, and if he goes the same way as canon.

The green segment feels odd to me. If the charm increases your Appearance to the max limit, then how could you increase your Appearance further? Do the charm-granted dots get treated as "false" dots that you have to purchase over? Why would you ever do such a thing anyways? It doesn't really add anything except a flimsy escape clause that nobody would ever use. You'd have to sink a ton of XP to do it, then re-do it every time your max Appearance increased. I think it should just be removed.

The highlighted phrase is a bad idea; How would you define doubt? Suppressing a virtue? Contrary to your Motivation or Urge? The character not roleplaying well enough? ST fiat? The condition in which an excellency cannot be used should be very clear. How about "This charm cannot be used to enhance any action in which the Infernal attempts to suppress disorder, such as trying to calm an upset crowd or dispersing a riot."
I agree with Peanuckle here, @Alexander89 - the Rapt Fascination going away when you naturally increase your appearance doesn't make sense. Having the effect ever not be present goes against the themes of being an Infernal and becoming less human as you take Charms. What I would do instead is make it so that if the Infernal maxes out their Appearance normally to as high as they can for their Essence rating, the Charm applies a bonus of (Essence/2, rounded down) dots of Appearance. This encourages the person with the Charm to still spend XP on Appearance rather than just leaving it.

Displaying uncertainty in your actions or things like that would fit. If you say "I'm not sure this will work" the Excellency can't apply - doubts have to be hidden. So, "I think my idea is dumb and I'd like alternatives" doesn't work, but "my plan is great, but I'm open to other ideas" is fine. You hide your doubts. You are confident out in the open, and keep any doubts you have hidden. Yeah, ST fiat decides it, sure, but that's the case with lots of Infernal Excellencies.
The reason for the first is simple: I am thinking of a follow-up Charm where, on Essence 10, you get a flat +5 or something to Appearance.

For the second: would "The character cannot use this Excellency while under under coercion" and/or "This Excellency cannot be used to enhance any action which the character does not willingly perform, such as if he were coerced by an unnatural mental influence, or an action dictated by an oath, contract, or other agreement he didn't willingly take"?

I wonder why so many people want knightmares to not be simple the best weapons of war ever. It is an anime, logic should not aply to start with and I wonder what people have against cool mecha duels....
Actualy, considering how cool mechas are does anyone else think that their supremacy may be in part a result of the patern spiders wanting to have cool stuff to watch ? That is after all the in universe explanation to stunt dice, and if they were biased towards knightmares that would help explain why people whitout lose more often than not
Please don't make this a state case. While, yes, Rule of Cool is one of the Universe's laws, it doesn't automatically mean "KF > everything else". Even Solars can be defeated by mortals under the right circumstances.

Though you're right: KF make possible for single characters to change the direction of battles, just like it happens in canon Exalted. It is not an inviolable law though, only an encouraged one.
 
For the second: would "The character cannot use this Excellency while under under coercion" and/or "This Excellency cannot be used to enhance any action which the character does not willingly perform, such as if he were coerced by an unnatural mental influence, or an action dictated by an oath, contract, or other agreement he didn't willingly take"?
That does sound better.
 
Please don't make this a state case. While, yes, Rule of Cool is one of the Universe's laws, it doesn't automatically mean "KF > everything else". Even Solars can be defeated by mortals under the right circumstances.

Though you're right: KF make possible for single characters to change the direction of battles, just like it happens in canon Exalted. It is not an inviolable law though, only an encouraged one.
I am mostly venting, but seriously my problem is more that the explanation for knightmare war dominace is shaping be less about how they are just that good a design and more about how everyone else simple didn't bother developing or aplying technological advances to anything else.
I understand that knighmares wouldn't be the best option all the time, but I would prefer if their current dominace was a result of their own merits than people not trying anything else, it just feels more believable.(like why people wouldn't try to aply sakuradite to tanks an see how that improved their performance ? tanks existed before knightmares afteral)actualy I am starting to think that this explanation would only make sense if knightmares had been developed be the Ebon Dragon
 
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Speaking of Knightmares VS other military equipment, I have one idea on how to partially counter them with technological development: hovertanks.

Really, like it has been mentioned in this thread earlier, its their ability to dodge that makes Knightmare Frames so terrifying even on battles that happen even on relatively open terrain. A traditional vehicle can't do that, and we often see in the show KFs just skating from side to side when approaching their targets. But a theoretical hovertank, that could move sideways with sudden bursts of great acceleration? Not to mention also completely ignoring how rough the terrain its traveling on is, and likely even getting a maximum travel speed and straight acceleration boost when compared to normal tanks?

They would also have other benefits, those too previously only held by KFs. In cities, it could move sideways when needed, with its front armor facing towards whatever could be lurking behind a streetcorner. It could (potentially) travel its front facing backwards if chased, again keeping its thickest armor towards the enemy. It likely wouldn't be able run circles around KFs, especially at close range, but it certainly could make doing so against it much, much harder.

And its should be feasible by canon, as demonstrated by the Float System in the show itself and the other more advanced forms of flight later on. We would just need a low-powered version to form an "air-cushion" under the tank, and voila! Add other advancement that have been already mentioned, like faster turret turning-speeds via Sakuradite (literal) pseudo-magic, and we have a viable counter against KFs in open terrain combat, which also doesn't hopefully get utterly curbstomped even in urban combat.

I think our tank operator GSP would support the idea. Or come up with the idea himself, then develop and build it, if he thinks nobody else is doing enough work for anything else than KFs and decides its worth it to acquire the necessary skillset for make his dream possible.
 
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The reason for the first is simple: I am thinking of a follow-up Charm where, on Essence 10, you get a flat +5 or something to Appearance.

Functionally my suggestion ends up doing almost the same thing, but it would depend on what else the E10 version of the Charm did, I guess. Essence 10 Charms are no joke. But regardless it should never be the case that the alien, fascinating beauty is removed.

For the second: would "The character cannot use this Excellency while under under coercion" and/or "This Excellency cannot be used to enhance any action which the character does not willingly perform, such as if he were coerced by an unnatural mental influence, or an action dictated by an oath, contract, or other agreement he didn't willingly take"?

Maybe? I'm fine with the current version, to be honest, but that could work.



Once you've got the Float System or equivalent using it to make a hovertank is just a waste of energy. Something more along the lines of the Siegfried (classified as a Knight Giga Fortress, rather than a Knightmare) would make more sense than just a singular large gun to point at something.
 
Once you've got the Float System or equivalent using it to make a hovertank is just a waste of energy. Something more along the lines of the Siegfried (classified as a Knight Giga Fortress, rather than a Knightmare) would make more sense than just a singular large gun to point at something.
Just a tougtht but, be the time the technology for hover tanks exist wouldn't KFs have developed the ability to fly and thus be curbstomping tanks due to air superiority?
True, but I would bet that what I'm suggesting would be easier to design and would use less energy, as using an air-cushion to "float" instead of needing to actually fly should probably be feasible to reach earlier. If we could seize that short window of time when they are effective, we could really do some damage against Britannia. And with their much simpler design than humanoid mechs, they should be fast to produce and cheap-ish to spam against KFs with good enough effectiveness.

After the true Float Systems start to be feasible in mass production, then yes, we should change our game. But before then, I think it would be worth the effort. Maybe the data from them could be even useful for the design of the Knight Giga Forstress as the next step?
 
True, but I would bet that what I'm suggesting would be easier to design and would use less energy, as using an air-cushion to "float" instead of needing to actually fly should probably be feasible to reach earlier. If we could seize that short window of time when they are effective, we could really do some damage against Britannia. And with their much simpler design than humanoid mechs, they should be fast to produce and cheap-ish to spam against KFs with good enough effectiveness.

After the true Float Systems start to be feasible in mass production, then yes, we should change our game. But before then, I think it would be worth the effort. Maybe the data from them could be even useful for the design of the Knight Giga Forstress as the next step?
two things, first floating systems have a hover mode so I don't see why keeping the thing closer to the earth would mean that it costs less energy to keep it afloat, second we are to late to hope for that window, we would have to design the tanks from scratch while the knightmares float system is already at it's final testing stages
 
True, but I would bet that what I'm suggesting would be easier to design and would use less energy, as using an air-cushion to "float" instead of needing to actually fly should probably be feasible to reach earlier. If we could seize that short window of time when they are effective, we could really do some damage against Britannia. And with their much simpler design than humanoid mechs, they should be fast to produce and cheap-ish to spam against KFs with good enough effectiveness.

After the true Float Systems start to be feasible in mass production, then yes, we should change our game. But before then, I think it would be worth the effort. Maybe the data from them could be even useful for the design of the Knight Giga Forstress as the next step?

The kind of hovertank you propose would actually be horribly impractical. It would consume fuel constantly just trying to stay afloat more than just off the ground, requiring the armor be decreased to make it weigh less. More fuel would need to be consumed to deal with the recoil. It also wouldn't be able to go over many terrain obstacles.

At this point Knightmare mass-manufacture is already going on. Setting up an entirely new production line to produce weapons of similar size and purpose that you don't intend to produce anymore after a year isn't really worthwhile - you'd be better off just building more Knightmares. Not to mention the engineering nightmare that it would be to make it work in the first place.
 
Now the question is: good or bad idea? Not just above Charm, but idea in general.
I like the idea myself. Shame it's with SWLIHN charms, because it sounds awesome.

Now I'm imagining what a Zero Shintai based off of TED, Oramus, and Malfeas would be like. The entire world around him inverting in color as his form warps to bronze and flakes apart into little scale shaped bits as a dragon-shaped shell of brass grows and shifts, gaps in its form revealing pitch nothingness beneath, and it's face shatters to reveal a gaping hole of OHGODWHY. It clears it's thoat to get your attention, and the remainder of the scene is resolved with a game of Mornington Crescent.
 
I'm with @random_npc on this. I like mechs as much as the next person, but while I don't mind - much - that they are the dominant weapon platform and currently in vogue, I loathe that they achieve this by handwaving away everything that might put their dominance into question, rather than actually thinking through the implications and coming up with some explanation.
 
@Alexander89
In the Charm Shop, the Charm Dreams of Air and Darkness has a perquisite of Calculating Dho-Hna Angles. That Charm isn't in the Charm Shop. Can you put it there?

Also, I was looking to see if there were any Oramus Charms that let him lower the effects of or remove Derangements, given how linked to them he is. Does that idea fit the themes acceptably?
 
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