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Found the citation for using Solaroid Blood for a crafting ingredient:
Oadenol's Codex, page 27, Vigorous Blood
Vigorous Blood:Blood from any mighty being
carries power that might be transferred into an artifact.
Gods and demons must offer their benefaction (above),
but elementals, God-Blooded and a myriad of other
creatures with magic in their veins may offer blood
to aid an artifact's completion. The creature's Essence
must be at least two dots greater than the artifact's
intended rating. Exalted must have an Essence three
dots greater, and they may not spend their own blood
to power an artifact they create. Entities of such power
often do not think highly of requests for a pint or two
of their blood. Blood is an excellent ingredient to tie
an artifact to an individual, and even the most skillful
artifi cers may be unable to avoid giving an artifact some
connection to the donor
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So bleeding some demons is perfectly legit, though exalted would be hard
 
veekie said:
Found the citation for using Solaroid Blood for a crafting ingredient:
Oadenol's Codex, page 27, Vigorous Blood


So bleeding some demons is perfectly legit, though exalted would be hard
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Ok, so basically the Charm we wrote up would allow the Infernal to use their own blood as a crafting ingredient, and to a higher ranking of artifact.
 
Enjou said:
Ok, so basically the Charm we wrote up would allow the Infernal to use their own blood as a crafting ingredient, and to a higher ranking of artifact.
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"Exalted must have an Essence three dots greater, and they may not spend their own blood to power an artifact they create."

Not unless the charm circumvents this. Doesn't make much fluff sense, but mechanically the reasons are obvious.
 
Peanuckle said:
"Exalted must have an Essence three dots greater, and they may not spend their own blood to power an artifact they create."

Not unless the charm circumvents this. Doesn't make much fluff sense, but mechanically the reasons are obvious.
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The Charm's intent I think is for the Infernal to be able to use their own blood and any bits they're willing to cut off of himself as a crafting material. So yeah, it might need to be explicitly added, but it is the intent.

Worst case is that we get around it with Pantheon bullshit and have our component souls craft stuff for us.
 
Speaking of, we should probably buy the first pantheonic heresy charm, the one that lets us make custom devas, next purchase. It's like Demon summoning, only you get custom stuff. Like a deva that's optimized for piloting Knightmares.
 
Tough choices here. I still want to open Malfeas's charmset some time (I really want the GSNF stuff for ranged/artillery scale combat, ie Knightmares), but having looked at Mardukth's charmset it's got some interesting stuff, so:
[X] Bring Kaguya with you
[X] Mardukth
 
notanautomaton said:
Speaking of, we should probably buy the first pantheonic heresy charm, the one that lets us make custom devas, next purchase. It's like Demon summoning, only you get custom stuff. Like a deva that's optimized for piloting Knightmares.
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Heresy is the sort of stuff that needs a plot-based rationale, I think. We're amongst the first Infernals; nobody is around to teach this stuff and the Yozis don't know about it either. It'll be the result of in-character struggles rather than votes.. At least, that's my interpretation.
 
For all of you Markduth doubters (filthy traitors the lot of you :V ) think on this: why did Kamina and Simon keep asking everybody who the hell they thought they were? And what is larger than something multiple times larger than the entire universe? And the green flaring lights? They shout their names to the heavens! They are brawlers, sustained by willpower! They don't care about time, or fate, or dimensional whatevers!
 
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notanautomaton said:
Speaking of, we should probably buy the first pantheonic heresy charm, the one that lets us make custom devas, next purchase. It's like Demon summoning, only you get custom stuff. Like a deva that's optimized for piloting Knightmares.
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Peanuckle said:
Heresy is the sort of stuff that needs a plot-based rationale, I think. We're amongst the first Infernals; nobody is around to teach this stuff and the Yozis don't know about it either. It'll be the result of in-character struggles rather than votes.. At least, that's my interpretation.
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Yeah, we need to get a Pantheon Charm first, and then Lelouch has to spend a bit of time figuring out what's going on with his soul before he goes and actually starts delving into Pantheonic heresy.


chocolote12 said:
For all of you Markduth doubters (filthy traitors the lot of you :V ) think on this: why did Kamina and Simon keep asking everybody who the hell they thought they were? And what is larger than something multiple times larger than the entire universe? And the green flaring lights? They shout their names to the heavens! They are brawlers, sustained by willpower! They don't care about time, or fate, or dimensional whatevers!
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Lulz. Now, seriously, while I think the Mardukth Charm set is really cool and interesting it's just problematic for Lelouch as things stand, both in convincing the Yozi to give access and in terms of actually using many of the Charms. Lelouch is almost always wearing a mask of some kind, whether it be literally as Zero or metaphorically as Lelouch Lamperouge. His circumstances make it so he can't openly be Lelouch vi Britannia, the name the Charms would resonate with. I don't think Mardukth would appreciate who Lelouch is at this time. Later on if we do allow ourself to operate openly as Lelouch vi Britannia we should definitely consider Mardukth as an option.
 
Enjou said:
Yeah, we need to get a Pantheon Charm first, and then Lelouch has to spend a bit of time figuring out what's going on with his soul before he goes and actually starts delving into Pantheonic heresy.




Lulz. Now, seriously, while I think the Mardukth Charm set is really cool and interesting it's just problematic for Lelouch as things stand, both in convincing the Yozi to give access and in terms of actually using many of the Charms. Lelouch is almost always wearing a mask of some kind, whether it be literally as Zero or metaphorically as Lelouch Lamperouge. His circumstances make it so he can't openly be Lelouch vi Britannia, the name the Charms would resonate with. I don't think Mardukth would appreciate who Lelouch is at this time. Later on if we do allow ourself to operate openly as Lelouch vi Britannia we should definitely consider Mardukth as an option.
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Yeah, you've got a lot of good points. Mardukth is cool, but we're too invested in deception right now to really get along with him or make good use of a lot of his charms. For now.

I definitely want to do the whole "reveal ourselves as Lelouch vi Britannia" thing when we do fully conquer Japan, and Mardukth will probably resonate more with that.
 
So, I've come up with a bit of an insane idea. The kind of idea that matches, as Ligier calls it, "the unrestrainable ambition of a true Exalted". This is of course not an idea that we'd likely do in the course of the quest, as it's a thing you'd probably be insane to attempt before being Essence 10 and it would still be insane then, just less so.

What I would like Lelouch to do one day is to steal Erembour from the Ebon Dragon. Yes, you read that correctly, I want Lelouch to steal the Ebon Dragon's fetich soul from him. Is such a thing possible? Maybe!

There is some precedent. One member of Luna's entourage is Granalkin, Archer on the Silver Pass. It used to be the case that he was one of Mardukth's Third Circle Demons, and he was good friends with Luna before the Primordial War. When the war did start, he refused to hunt the Lunar Exalted due to his particular code of honor regarding the hunt binding him. He eventually struggled and somehow managed to get free of Mardukth, even helping the Exalted slay him (in canon Exalted, anyways - that didn't happen here) which shouldn't have been possible given his own survival unless he had become completely separated.

So, it might be possible to use some Heretical Charms and Pantheon stuff to steal Erembour and make her part of Lelouch's own soul hierarchy. The Ebon Dragon probably would probably be proud if he learned of the plan - a betrayal and stealing a waifu? He'd find the entire thing very amusing, even if it was targeted at him. And what effect it would have on him I have no idea. Would she cease to be his fetich, and would he get a new one? Or might she paradoxically be his fetich and yet not?
 
Enjou said:
Welcome to Sufficient Velocity. We will do anything to get the waifu. :p
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I am thinking Oramus-Ebon Dragon-Adorjan Heretical charms, Adorjan for cuting away intrisic parts of self, Ebon dragon for sympatetic effects and and the betrayal and Oramus for somehow steling Erembour whitout affecting the Ebon dragon fetich, because there is no way of we doing this whitout heavy influence of the impossible dragon
 
Enjou said:
What I would like Lelouch to do one day is to steal Erembour from the Ebon Dragon. Yes, you read that correctly, I want Lelouch to steal the Ebon Dragon's fetich soul from him. Is such a thing possible? Maybe!
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Erembour isn't his fetich. She's his Seventh Soul and given her attitude, she likely embodies his capacity to love things. Taking that from him would result in the most fiendish being in existence getting even worse.

That said, the example you brought up certainly shows its possible. Granalkin loved/respected Luna enough that it conflicted with his loyalty to Mardukth, so the Sidereals were able to use that "demon to god" charm on him, most likely.

Doing such a thing without the Yozis' permission will certainly result in every other Infernal and a host of demons being ordered to kill us and the traitor demon. The Ebon Dragon might love us for chasing such a doomed love, but oops! We took that part of him away.

So while romantic, it's also really stupid.

Also, goddamn man. She just kissed Lelouch on the nose. Cart before the horse, much ;)

Erembour, like many TCDs, has multiple partners. She has relations with those who keep hidden loves and is summoned to teach people how to do sex really good. This isn't a girl we can marry or "claim" in any permanent way. She's too long-lived and powerful for a thing like monogamy to have hold on her. Probably the most we could do is get her to see us as a friend-with-benefits or something.

One final edit: On the note of her being too powerful, try not to think of her as a girl, lady or woman. She's an incarnate force, an aspect of a much greater being consolidated into its own persona. So while you're planning to woo her, please keep in mind that respect is an integral part of any conversation.

All that said, I am totally for getting her in the sack. :ogles:
 
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[X] Bring Kaguya with you

I have no idea what the charme sets are actually like, so i'm just saying whoever we visit we should take kaguya with us.
 
Peanuckle said:
Heresy is the sort of stuff that needs a plot-based rationale, I think. We're amongst the first Infernals; nobody is around to teach this stuff and the Yozis don't know about it either. It'll be the result of in-character struggles rather than votes.. At least, that's my interpretation.
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Remember that heresy isn't actual heresy, it's just a system term. It represents the Infernal growing more like the Primordials, and thus can come naturally to Infernals.
 
Just got online. Cool. Update... :o

Erembour-senpai noticed Lelouch! ;):p Lelouch has finally awakened to puberty! :D :lol :rofl:

I wish Erembour-senpai would notice me too... :oops: :cry:

Enjou said:
What I would like Lelouch to do one day is to steal Erembour from the Ebon Dragon. Yes, you read that correctly, I want Lelouch to steal the Ebon Dragon's fetich soul from him. Is such a thing possible? Maybe!
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Exquisite Bride Obsession...? Exquisite Bride Obsession!!!

 
notanautomaton said:
Remember that heresy isn't actual heresy, it's just a system term. It represents the Infernal growing more like the Primordials, and thus can come naturally to Infernals.
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Yeah, but what I mean is that there's nobody to learn it from. The first iterations will be based entirely on personal experience. So we won't have an option to [ ] Learn heresy; we'll have to discover it in the questline.

Kiriel said:
Lelouch has finally awakened to puberty!
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Anyone else amused that Erembour did with one chaste kiss what three other girls couldn't do throughout all of CG?
 
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