Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

This Charm may always be used to help the character climb or while the character gains an advantage for possessing high ground. It can also be used to expand prior works. It cannot help the character hide, disguise, or lie about his identity or while engaged in such deceptions.
And we can purchase or create a charm to make 'Zero' our identity. This isn't hard.
 
Lelouch has lied about his identity for seven years. He will continue to do so both as Lelouch Lamperouge and as Zero, and has told his Coven that Lelouch vi Britannia is better of remaining "dead". And again it's important to note that Zero is a mask, a disguise that Lelouch is using to once again hide his identity. Hell, Lelouch wearing various masks around his true self and people wearing masks and lying and hiding their true selves from others is a major theme of Code Geass.

Think about it - you're arguing for taking the Charms of a Yozi whose Excellency Lelouch will be unable to use the vast majority of the time because most of the time he's either Lelouch Lamperouge or Zero rather than Lelouch vi Britannia.
We have Oramus' and Ebon Dragon's excellencies as well. And the excellency isn't the only charm he has; his leadership and group-buff charms are the ones I'm touting and so far no other Yozi has anything comparable to them.

And as other have said, learning how to acquire new names is a solution.
 
One of Erembour's sub-souls is Dear Footed Mara, the creator of Black Claw style (love is a lie).

On the other-hand, Black Claw style is a great supernatural martial art for social exalts.
Deer Footed Mara is also the one who gave Sorcery to Exalts.

So, being an Infernal, and a Fiend, Lulu is in a good place to learn Black Claw style from the source.
 
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Kaguya's? I think she knows better than to think that an Unquestionable would be a part of her harem.
I think it was Milly's?

Think about it - you're arguing for taking the Charms of a Yozi whose Excellency Lelouch will be unable to use the vast majority of the time because most of the time he's either Lelouch Lamperouge or Zero rather than Lelouch vi Britannia.
Plus, Mardukth is unlikely to appreciate this sort of thing very much and could very well outright refuse opening his Charmset.
 
What value would Malfeas offer us? His excellency is broad, true, but that's just one charm. All his other ones relate to personal combat or terrorizing people into obeying. I think it would be a waste to unlock a Yozi from whom only a few charms truly offer benefit, especially since we already have a Slayer to do the frontline fighting.
 
[X] Bring Kaguya with you
[X] Malfeas

You do realize, of course, that there is only a single course of action. We must seduce the Ebon Dragon.
 
[X] Bring Kaguya with you
[X] Malfeas


Lelouch and Malfeas have much more in common then he and Mardukth. Mardukth will not open his set because we do not operate with our "true identity". yes we can purchase a charm to make zero a true name but we declared that Zero is a symbol, anyone can people Zero. Lelouch does not think Zero as a part of him, just a mask and tool to use.

Simply put, he resonates with Malfeas' themes more then Mardukth's.
 
You do realize, of course, that there is only a single course of action. We must seduce the Ebon Dragon.[/QUOTE]

Hm...it's something that people would be against. He approves lol

Until he needs to oppose it again.
 
We have Oramus' and Ebon Dragon's excellencies as well. And the excellency isn't the only charm he has; his leadership and group-buff charms are the ones I'm touting and so far no other Yozi has anything comparable to them.

Getting an Excellency that is sufficiently different from those two will be rather helpful as it increases the range of actions we can boost with an Excellency. It would be very wasteful to get a Yozi whose Excellency we can't actually use, especially this early on.

And as other have said, learning how to acquire new names is a solution.
And we can purchase or create a charm to make 'Zero' our identity. This isn't hard.

Any such Charm would probably still violate the Excellency's conditions unless it truly twisted Lelouch into Zero. For example, Name Shrouded Under Veils creates a false name that only appears true for the purpose of Charms and techniques that determine whether or something is true or not, but it is in reality still a deception so wouldn't work with this Excellency. Remember that Masque of Hollow Faces and everything that follows it is build on masks - it's fake, not real. The Ebon Dragon is similarly about deception, except when he turns into your shadow mirror, but then you get that person's Charms rather than keeping your own for the duration of the change.

To make a Charm that would truly change Lelouch's Name into Zero for the purposes of this Excellency would probably require a Charm that requires a shitload of motes and willpower to activate or would have to twist him in a much more permanent fashion. Anything in which Lelouch would know he is hiding his true identity just wouldn't work. A real change of identity would be required.

What value would Malfeas offer us? His excellency is broad, true, but that's just one charm. All his other ones relate to personal combat or terrorizing people into obeying. I think it would be a waste to unlock a Yozi from whom only a few charms truly offer benefit, especially since we already have a Slayer to do the frontline fighting.

Knightmare combat is a thing. A major thing in Code Geass, really. Lelouch already has the specialty maxed out, and we definitely want to max out Drive. Malfeas's Charms could certainly be used to help with Knightmare combat, even if it requires making new ones using the Innovation keyword to make new Charms for that. Getting Nightmare Fugue Vigilance to remove the need to sleep would also be useful, as it'd give Lelouch extra time to do stuff. (Oramus definitely isn't a 'no sleep' kind of guy, so a custom Charm there wouldn't make sense) That Charm might also be a good basis for mixing with Ululating Nightmare Wings or something coming after that to make something Heretical. (some kind of waking nightmare Charm that makes it almost impossible for someone to sleep?) Other Heretical Charms could also be made.

Also, Akito can't be around all the time, or there's a chance he could be overwhelmed if fighting against multiple opponents. In such cases we need someone else in the Coven who can take up the slack. Lelouch is unfortunately the best candidate for that, I think.
 
What value would Malfeas offer us? His excellency is broad, true, but that's just one charm. All his other ones relate to personal combat or terrorizing people into obeying. I think it would be a waste to unlock a Yozi from whom only a few charms truly offer benefit, especially since we already have a Slayer to do the frontline fighting.
I think a lot of them are looking for his PD as well, since it would work even against Holy attacks, which Bloodless Murk Evasion wouldn't.
 
I think a lot of them are looking for his PD as well, since it would work even against Holy attacks, which Bloodless Murk Evasion wouldn't.

For the sake of honesty I'll note that Oramus's PD does as well. With Oramus's PD and Ebby's PD we would have defense against all possible attacks, given that Holy attacks would by definition by fueled by Essence and therefore be magical. Or at least I think that's how it works.
 
To make a Charm that would truly change Lelouch's Name into Zero for the purposes of this Excellency would probably require a Charm that requires a shitload of motes and willpower to activate or would have to twist him in a much more permanent fashion. Anything in which Lelouch would know he is hiding his true identity just wouldn't work. A real change of identity would be required.
Perhaps a charm that alters the way the character thinks of himself, then? To truly be whoever he acts as? That seems to fit Mardukth and it would help Lelouch avoid pitfalls like abandoning the battlefield because his sister cried.
 
Perhaps a charm that alters the way the character thinks of himself, then? To truly be whoever he acts as? That seems to fit Mardukth and it would help Lelouch avoid pitfalls like abandoning the battlefield because his sister cried.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure that would work either, otherwise a Derangement of delusion would be enough. It would still be a falsehood, again unless it was made permanent so the character well and truly will always identify as the new identity, especially if the Charm or delusion was done intentionally as it's an effort to make the character lie to himself about his identity.

Also, I think Mardukth is more about exaggeration than total self-delusion. People will remember something involving the Charm user as being grander than it actually was, but the thing in question actually happened.
 
Personally I think we should choose Elloge, as we essentially outright said that we would be the one who wrote our own Fate, which, considering our Motivation, Urge, and goals, would make for an epic story. Plus, we would be able to find out if someone has Intimacies towards us later, which could be useful.
 
Personally I think we should choose Elloge, as we essentially outright said that we would be the one who wrote our own Fate, which, considering our Motivation, Urge, and goals, would make for an epic story. Plus, we would be able to find out if someone has Intimacies towards us later, which could be useful.
Is there a complete Elloge charmset out there that's any good?
 
I wound up using the Charms from here, although I wound up using a different Excellency. The Narrator's Insight one is something that I think might be useful later on.
It's... interesting. Shipper's Compatibility Index made me laugh.

My overall impression is that it allows one to become a behind-the-scenes social controller, directing people as you see fit and imposing new roles on those who don't play along.

There's a handful of charms I find useful, mostly Ardent Villain Command, but overall the set is pretty underwhelming. Anyone based on that set would go down pretty quickly in a fight.
 
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