Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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He's a priest. I expect him to give comfort to a member of his flock in distress. If he himself doesn't feel comfortable giving us help I bet he knows a therapist priest who is both in the know and protected to a degree by being a party to an accorded entity.
One of the major issues that Molly has, which tends to be a constant source of trouble, is her desire to do things alone.
Being independent is good, but we do have people to lean on. We also have a potential opportunity through one of them that we paid a lot to get.
'Mentor' is a pretty vague relationship; it can cover everything from being a tutor to being a spiritual guide and wise advisor. From a certain perspective finding or providing assistance with this sort of personal struggle is well within the wheelhouse of that sort of relationship.
He'd help Molly anyway because he's her father, but if you turn and squint a little it could be described as part of the agreement which puts him on the clock as a knight of the cross.
I'm willing to bet that Uriel/the white god would be generous here, since we paid a not inconsiderable price in effectively giving them veto power over crown questions that get too close to their stuff. It's also the sort of thing they seem to genuinely want to do anyway.
Which, assuming the logical here holds, means that we'd either get some Mysterious Ways juice put towards finding just the right person to help, or we get them pointed directly at the issue.
Personally I'm hoping for something exotic, like regular mental health spars in which the angel in Amoraccius gets to directly play therapist for us.
Seems like the sort of thing the person backing the sword of love would delight in helping with, and it'd be more interesting than any reasonable option we could find in the city.
Being independent is good, but we do have people to lean on. We also have a potential opportunity through one of them that we paid a lot to get.
'Mentor' is a pretty vague relationship; it can cover everything from being a tutor to being a spiritual guide and wise advisor. From a certain perspective finding or providing assistance with this sort of personal struggle is well within the wheelhouse of that sort of relationship.
He'd help Molly anyway because he's her father, but if you turn and squint a little it could be described as part of the agreement which puts him on the clock as a knight of the cross.
I'm willing to bet that Uriel/the white god would be generous here, since we paid a not inconsiderable price in effectively giving them veto power over crown questions that get too close to their stuff. It's also the sort of thing they seem to genuinely want to do anyway.
Which, assuming the logical here holds, means that we'd either get some Mysterious Ways juice put towards finding just the right person to help, or we get them pointed directly at the issue.
Personally I'm hoping for something exotic, like regular mental health spars in which the angel in Amoraccius gets to directly play therapist for us.
Seems like the sort of thing the person backing the sword of love would delight in helping with, and it'd be more interesting than any reasonable option we could find in the city.
- Location
- Norway
Yog's suggestion of ordering a list on a custom metric with multiple parameters is a step towards an exploitable cheese trick for extracting arbitrarily large amounts of information from 'one' question. This is a violation of the spirit of one question, so I think DP is right to forbid it, but I want to nerd out for a moment and demonstrate exactly why with an exaggerated version of the cheese:
"Please sort this list on a metric where people's names are scored 1 point for being willing to keep confidentiality, 2 points for being clued in about magic, 4 points for being good at their job, 8 points for being in the pay of vampires, ...
0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, Jabril Fausta, Diomid Ida, Martijn Elijah, Simeon Nina, Angela Bakır."
This lets you count in binary to see which digits are scored and which not, corresponding to yes/no answers for the questions. Someone who gets their name ranked at for example 6 points is clued in about magic, good at job, won't keep confidentiality, not in the pay of vampires.
For questions that have more open answers, you can exploit it much the same way by using larger numbers than powers of 2:
"On a metric where Erik Example scores a number of points equal to his telephone number + one quadrillion points times the number of minutes of longitude West of Greenwich that he lives + one octillion points times the number of minutes of latitude South of the Equator that he lives + one duodecillion points per current wikipedia page permalink ID of his favorite food, how many points does Erik have?"
This is 'one' question that returns 'one' answer, a very large number, but from that number you can read off his telephone number (the last few digits) + his location (the middle) + his favorite food (by using wikipedia &oldid= URLs) separated by a lot of zeroes.
"Please sort this list on a metric where people's names are scored 1 point for being willing to keep confidentiality, 2 points for being clued in about magic, 4 points for being good at their job, 8 points for being in the pay of vampires, ...
0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, Jabril Fausta, Diomid Ida, Martijn Elijah, Simeon Nina, Angela Bakır."
This lets you count in binary to see which digits are scored and which not, corresponding to yes/no answers for the questions. Someone who gets their name ranked at for example 6 points is clued in about magic, good at job, won't keep confidentiality, not in the pay of vampires.
For questions that have more open answers, you can exploit it much the same way by using larger numbers than powers of 2:
"On a metric where Erik Example scores a number of points equal to his telephone number + one quadrillion points times the number of minutes of longitude West of Greenwich that he lives + one octillion points times the number of minutes of latitude South of the Equator that he lives + one duodecillion points per current wikipedia page permalink ID of his favorite food, how many points does Erik have?"
This is 'one' question that returns 'one' answer, a very large number, but from that number you can read off his telephone number (the last few digits) + his location (the middle) + his favorite food (by using wikipedia &oldid= URLs) separated by a lot of zeroes.
While I am not against that reasoning, getting our kingdom requires lots of XP, which makes people too hesitant in getting it for me to make any plan requiring it.
By the way, given how important *The king and the Kingdom* seems to be to infernals from what some people say, why is it double gated?
Seriously, not only do you have to get Essence 3, understandable since it represent you gaining power but still a big purchase in and on itself, but you also have to buy a 5 dot unfavored charm, making the purchase way too big and delaying one of the core point even more.
If part of the thematic of the infernals means that this charm is supposed to be a core point of their build, why isn't it automatic with Essence 3, like the shintai?
Seeing this, it's no surprise that one of the best homebrew I saw about infernals was one were the transformation into a new primordial was progressive instead of all at once, with you gaining subsouls when getting some particular charms and other things like it, if people are playing infernals for the devil tiger, then all the game before is just padding and waiting to finally play the character you wanted, and if you weren't, why are you playing infernal? That's their main selling point.
The same reasoning can be applied here, if you want the kingdom, all the playing before can be annoying due to having to wait, and the extremely unreasonable price on what is supposed to be a core aspect really doesn't help matters, since getting your build online and finally playing the game you wanted requires you to delay everything or wait too much for it to be interesting.
Of course, the decision is for @DragonParadox to take, and I'll abide by it, but if it was my game, I would simply give you *The King and the Kingdom* when you reach Essence 3, just like the shintai at essence 2.
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Unlike the shintai the King and the Kingdom is not something that is necessity for every infernal, not all of them feel called to rule over their own Hells. Maybe one infernal wants to focus all his attention on ruling the world they are already in, maybe another one is a nihilist that wants to bring about the end of days and thus does not want to create anything. King and Kingdom is a very elaborate charm, but that does not make it necessary
May have overestimated it's importance due to all the charms who reference having your own hell and all the talks about it.
Still think it doesn't need to be a 5 dot unfavored gate behind essence 3, but I said I would abide by your decision.
Hope we'll see it before we meet Mab, I do think that the biggest thing we can do to change the nature of our future talk to her and show that we're not a bit player is to have our own nation when doing the diplomacy with her, I think we have enough otherwise and should really stop overpreparing for this single event.
Mab has a better idea of what we are than we do. I suspect she knows exactly how far we can potentially climb and that is why she is dealing with us so softly despite the current power imbalance.
Does she really?
I have no doubt she thinks she does, but contrary to Uju, I am not elevating her on a pedestal and declaring her perfect and unbeatable, she wouldn't have let us that much time to prepare if she really knew our potential, and she wouldn't have shown herself before us if she had ideas about our crown.
And even if she does know what we are, having our own kingdom when meeting her will not hurt.
Given all you get with it I think 20 XP, otherwise known as an arc's worth is a fair price for it.
What actually annoys me is the double gating, it's not 20 Xp, it's 20 + Essence 3.
But given that giving it too soon is a concern, and that essence 2 is for the shintai, I can't really think of a better way to change that with it not as important as I thought, so, the situation as is it is!
Thanks for the answers.
- Location
- United States
[X] Ignore then, they will go away eventually, you are just working through some stuff
[X] Ignore then, they will go away eventually, you are just working through some stuff
It is not worth either IC time or OC being spent on it. We can get rid of it thou 4 different methods.
It is not worth either IC time or OC being spent on it. We can get rid of it thou 4 different methods.
Mab thinks she does. She can be wrong. And she can utter falsehoods if she honestly believes them. Lash doesn't know what we are. This implies things. Bob, even evil Bob, doesn't either.
Even if Mab is wrong Mab is convinced we are powerful enough to warrant her personal attention and even more shockingly her personal soft touch, or our interaction with her would have been a LOT more uncomfortable.
We do not know exactly what she thinks, but it's clear that she doesn't think something minor.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
[X] There has got to be some kind of magical solution to control this, you just have to find it
-[x]Learn the Qiao of the Meng(Dream style). That is supposed to deal with this type of problem.
-[x]In the meantime find a body oil that works with boiling seas mastery and make a whole tub of it to sleep in.
Also reducing the DC on the willpower roll to 6 will make us succeed it even more often.
-[x]Learn the Qiao of the Meng(Dream style). That is supposed to deal with this type of problem.
-[x]In the meantime find a body oil that works with boiling seas mastery and make a whole tub of it to sleep in.
Also reducing the DC on the willpower roll to 6 will make us succeed it even more often.
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I'd like to say that I didn't actually think of any of this. I also removed the mechanics behind the metric from the vote, simply leaving "best to worst". If that's still too much, I will remove the sorting altogether. We'll just look at all of them. We need to do it anyway, to check who reports to what.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
We should get that by default just for all the time we are spending in school. I doubt we will buy the dot anyway, but if we are forced to spend time in highschool we might as well be learning something.
@DragonParadox think you meant my.
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- Location
- Germany
You know, usually learning skills is required to buy them for Exalted, you don't get discounts for training, instead you have to put in training times as the first thing.
DP is pretty generous in giving us discounts to learning some supernatural skills we have an affinity for, but it shouldn't be stretched any further.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I can't look up the Exalted training rules because WoW unfortunately uses the world Exalted for one of it's training ranks so the entire search is filled with crud. But I have never seen any exalted game done like that.
The rate of education in school is not changed by the fact that Molly is now an Exalted, it is still addressing the whole class so to get academics 2 (the equivalent of a college ecucation) without spending XP you have to finish college.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Please tell me that Molly at least made herself wet when trying it.