Lash has no insights into how to make things, her lores are all people oriented in one way or another, for which I am very glad. The system sounds far too easy to break.
Anyway vote closed.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Lash has no insights into how to make things, her lores are all people oriented in one way or another, for which I am very glad. The system sounds far too easy to break.
Anyway vote closed.
Yes to both.
Werewolves have a high threat floor but relatively low threat ceiling. Relatively.
A Rank 6 Werewolf with the right Gifts can still wreck a city
Vampires have a low threat floor but sky high threat ceiling.
Their newbies are meat for any halfway competent group of mortals; many a story in WoD of a vampire getting chained in a basement and farmed for blood by a ghoul or ghouls.
But their ancients are horrifying nation killers who would 1v1 any number of Garou.
I suspect a low-end Demon would kill a low-end Vampire but lose to a low end Werewolf.
A high end Demon? Would probably take a high-end Werewolf to school.
Im not sure how they'd do against an ancient vampire like Kemintiri or Mithras though.
They do have scene-long attribute boosters in Lore of Flesh, Agg damage in Lore of Death, notCelerity in Lore of Fundament, Timestop is the capstone for Lore of Patterns, and the Lore of Flames gives them the ability to induce rotschreck in hostile vampires by literally setting them on fire with a look.
But I dont know if thats enough against an ancient Cainite. Or ancient Kueijin. Which speaks to how bullshit they are.
High end they are definitely stronger than Terrestrials.
They just have fewer, if any, fiat powers/abilities. And no apparent access to sorcery/wizardry.
They do have a lot more passive powers that dont require Faith to activate. Which makes the difference.
An Earthbound probably takes an ancient vampire though, no problem.
Might be better to go with the houserule version where one application is indefinite until and unless replaced.
Compare:
Manipulate Nerves is already a scenelong combined wound penalty negator, and Attribute booster/manipulator.
Manipulate Flesh just appears to have the standard DC.
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Lores from outside their House are extremely costly though and story-wise the raising of Lores is more about remembering your old skills than learning completely new ones.
A theoretical super-demon with the best traits of a Rabisu, Halaku and Neberu can be a powerhouse, but realistically only the biggest Earthbound can get there, while a Vampire can make itself a solid fighter by mid-game.
And to be pendantic, I don't think anything in Fundamentum is quite as good as the passively Dex-adding and actively action-granting Celerity?
Winning vote
Arc 10 Post 34: Freedom's Price
Freedom's Price
24th of December 2006 A.D.
"Take the wheel for a minute, Rider. Need to call Dad" you say as you fumble out your phone, Clippy already dialing unprompted. The phone rings once, then connects."Dad? Oh, hey Mom. Yeah, in the car now. Listen, I'm bringing Harry and a guest who needs to talk to Dad about guidance."
Your eyes meet Lash's in the mirror before continuing. She sits still as a graven image, trying to control her breathing, trying to look calm and collected, anything at all beside the raging storm of terror and resentment you see reflected in them. 'I'm sorry,' you mouth and you do not know what you are apologizing for, noticing what she is feeling, the pain of hell whose memory she will have to bear ever after, bringing her to this crossroad at all?
"Someone in his line of work,its a little complicated," you add into the phone, already armed with reassurances, but most of your attention is on Lash as she smiles, shakes her head. 'That's on me,' she answers in like manner.
Harry might not have gotten the byplay, but he's no fool. "You don't have to go," he whispers back to her.
"That is very sweet of you Harry, but you cannot cure cancer with sugar pills."
"Cancer?" he asks, appropriately horrified.
"This body is very very good, I would know, biologically immortal in fact, but just because something cannot wear out does not mean it cannot be destroyed. My death is a statistical certainty. When considering all those who are likely to have an unwholesome interest in me those statistics look particularly poor."
His posture straightens, a steely glint behind his eye, It's like someone had lit up Harry's personal bat signal. Under other circumstances you might have resented her more for it but the point is fairly made, no matter how tactically she deployed it.
The rest of the ride is taken up by planning how you are going to present what just happened tonight.
***
The house is ringed with lights and snowmen guard the way, their noses cucumbers and leeks as well as the more traditional carrots, some wear scarves and some wear hats and one wears a bright pink baseball cap that clashes unspeakably with the orange nose and orange gloves at the end of its stick arms. You go Hope, follow your artistic vision, you think, a smile creeping over your face.
At that exact moment Lash flinches and stops dead on the path and rattles out: "[I request/require access to equalize information/common terms within the Keystone.]"
There is no response that you can hear, Lash looks unsettled but not displeased.
"Be welcome," you say, unlatching the door.
Truth be told you had half expected to see Uriel's unassuming guise, or some other stranger already here. After all it took five hours to incarnate Lash, but no, there is dad dressed in a red and gold sweater and his work pants still, and there is mom in a faintly floral blue house dress, all the more visible against the backdrop of the tree, holding that drinks coaster like she is about to rip it in two.
Essence burns like fire in your veins and in its crackling insight from afar yet before you can make use of it Dad speaks up: "Molly, Harry Ms...?"
Lost 3 Essence -> Now at 11/15 (Empathy; Etiquette and Occult Excellencies)
"Tiffany will do," she answers with the name you had given to her at your first meeting.
"Tiffany then," dad nods gravely as he continues: "I have a message for you, one I received by a most unusual means from a messenger unaccustomed to the task: The words you have spoken, they have been heard, the craft of your becoming it was without flaw, words invite actions, truths here spoken make for lies elsewhere."
I did it, she's free. A heady wave of relief, joy and pride in craftsmanship washes over you at the first of those words, but as the rest sink in you sympathize with the frustration that darkens Lash's face. Heaven will not explain further least it free the hand of Hell.
"How am I meant to choose when I do not know the rules?" The words are near a whisper, but so filled with pain and spite Harry flinches back a little and Mom's eyes narrow.
"The rules are you are free," you answer, thinking quickly. "The more you know, no, the more you are told the less free you would become, that is why the other side would get a move, it would be Heaven breaking its own rules, but dad didn't say no answer will be given, he said that there will be consequences. That choice too is yours."
Lash puts her hands on the table and mutters almost mechanically to herself: "I hate this, I hate this, I hate this..." She looks up at you and just says. "I hate them more, I hate Her more. Fuck Her getting something out of this."
"There are other paths to inquire, I'll help," you offer, not as impulsively as it seems. The things Lash is wondering at, the fundamental laws of which the universe is made, where souls and death and fate fit are things you have been wondering at more and more as you delve deeper into your magic.
"What is going on?" Mom asks glaring at poor Harry of course.
"I have some idea, but I don't want to hazard guesses," Dad looks between the three of you, clearly hoping someone was going to explain even if he was not going to demand it.
What do you do?
[] Let Lash explain
[] Let Harry explain (Willpower DC 7 to allow)
[] Explain yourself
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OOC: So yeah Molly asked the brave and entirely sensible question of 'What if a demon worked like a god and like a human at the same time?' and Heaven and Hell seem to have settled on on 'fine, no one touch without penalty'. Good thing your rolls were decent or a penalty would have been incurred.
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The whole argument we made to Lash was that she was a complete person all along, and Lasciel was lying. All we or Harry did was show her the truth and provide her an option.
They had a kid together in canon, don't make it weird for a joke.
Especially a joke that Harry will take way too seriously and sabotage their relationship over. I'm not just talking about in the romantic sense; the last thing someone like Lash wants is an overprotective father figure.
Rolls
Molly Rolls Charisma Empathy over the phone
Lash really does not want to reveal her feelings so rolls Control Body to just have no tells... and fails
Molly rolls Perception+Empathy... you would have actually been able to read her though control body with this one dear God
Lash gets a decent Read Emotions on Harry this time to compensate...
...and Harry stands no chance against his own personal kryptonite
Lash to sense the defenses
Molly Wits occult to understand what is being said
Charisma Empathy to get Lash to see the big picture... key ability saves the day again
Lash Willpower, with intimacy opposed... luckily she rolled low
Molly Rolls Charisma Empathy over the phone
Lash really does not want to reveal her feelings so rolls Control Body to just have no tells... and fails
Molly rolls Perception+Empathy... you would have actually been able to read her though control body with this one dear God
Lash gets a decent Read Emotions on Harry this time to compensate...
...and Harry stands no chance against his own personal kryptonite
Lash to sense the defenses
Molly Wits occult to understand what is being said
Charisma Empathy to get Lash to see the big picture... key ability saves the day again
Lash Willpower, with intimacy opposed... luckily she rolled low
I mean, she wasn't a complete person. She was missing half the required soul to be a person. Harry was slowly corrupting her with HIS half of a soul (Dark Harry) to somewhat sorta have that missing part, but it wasn't there yet.
Now, she is absolutely a complete person right now. We forged her not only a body, but the missing half of her soul as well. She is now complete. You can see it in everything she does. Where before she did everything for an end purpose, an intellectually known goal set to her at her birth, she is now doing shit because it feels good. She is developing preferences. She is actually experiencing things on a deeper level.
And it is freaking her out because I imagine it feels like suddenly someone hit the high def switch on existence.
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Babysitting an infant primordial is apparently a touch fraught at times.
@DragonParadox what's the crafting requirement for archangel grade antacid? I think we owe Heaven some.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Given that he arranged for her Exaltation? He got exactly what he deserved.
Babysitting an infant primordial is apparently a touch fraught at times.
@DragonParadox what's the crafting requirement for archangel grade antacid? I think we owe Heaven some.
And in true exalted fashion he had no idea what he was signing up for. He even said so himself.
Try and find out
This made my brain spark with ideas.......
Could we make alcohol that could make an Archangel drunk WITHOUT it being a Sin? Or make a bed (resting place) that is very comfy? I REALLY wanna break minds and preconceptions by giving supernatural forces things that would be able to grant them literal creature comforts that they should be beyond experiencing and yet through our craft we enable it for them.........
Really comfy slippers for a true dragon? Mittens that keep Mab's hands warm and comfy....
The ideas are endless!
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Heaven: You have free will. We cannot say more.
Translation: Congratulations we will now give you the Mushroom treatment.
[X] Let Lash explain
-[X] Provide emotional support
-[X] Provide emotional support
Not quite, Lash could have asked for details and she would have gotten something.... and then Hell would have gotten the chance to say something equivalent by whatever metric is being used.
Lash isn't and never was human; she wasn't a complete soul as we would count them for one, but not all spiritual entities work the same way.
Here's the part where we make the argument she's an independent person of her own, and was before any body was offered:
Here's the part where we offer a body with something like a Po, but isn't and that lacks will so that she can channel power:
And one of the OOC posts confirming that detail:
She got something like a lower soul, but unlike a human it isn't part of her in a mental or personal sense any more than your hands are part of your brain. If you took the thing out it wouldn't act like a human Po, it'd just sit there till it died like it did before they connected.
Her experience of life is more complete, but "only" in the sense that giving the blind sight or returning someone's ability to walk would be.
It's basically a spinal column for her new existence. Having it makes her capable of acting and it includes reflexes of various kinds but breaking it wouldn't change her personhood, only her ability to take action.
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SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
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- ALSO SCREAMING.
This is still a net win for the Hosts. It just means that a comfortable, predictable stalemate has been disrupted. That stalemate had been creating unacceptable levels of attrition for far longer than mankind has existed within this specific circle of creation. I'm pleased we didn't already provoke a counterweight action, though, since it turned out it was actually a possibility.
Eh. There is a reason that faith is a virtue. She's just in the same boat as the rest of us, even Molly since she made the sensible choice of not scrying God.
The answers are there, most of them anyways, but she just isn't going to get spoonfed them. It makes sense that, if she is trying to be categorized under mortal protections, she gets treated like a mortal. Doing otherwise would give the other side Heaven's forfeit on that point.
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Not quite. This is giving someone who was born completely without sight the ability to see - an introduction of a whole new sensory input that she's unaccustomed for. I am quite surprised she hasn't had an emotional breakdown yet, and I am very concerned that she is persevering through spite and hate towards Lasciel - we need to nudge her from those thought patterns towards "best revenge is living well" at least.
Also, now that we have given Lash a body, we need to house her somewhere and provide some means to become independent. Also, do we give Bob a body? I mean, he's not as trapped as Lash, but still.
Bob HAS a body. It's a skull. Bob has an attachment to his skull. We shouldn't just up and replace that.
We should build him a skull pilotable mecha. Just a human size and shaped robot body that the head opens up and you can set the skull inside. When the skull is in the human mecha and Bob is in the skull he can drive.
Bob's mecha body needs to look like young Ron Jeremy.
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