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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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[X] Degorium
BronzeTongue said:
Called it.

Please listen this time when I point out we don't know what's down here and that these things are only what was available to pop up immediately; not everyone that's actually here.
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While you were right, there were other things down here, what would you have done differently? They notably haven't reacted to our anima, which was the worry, but to us saying "I am exalted" in a way that is metaphysically loud and significant. Which, yes, I admit, I should have thought of - we were warned of this last turn with the dragonblooded.
 
Yog said:
[X] Degorium

While you were right, there were other things down here, what would you have done differently? They notably haven't reacted to our anima, which was the worry, but to us saying "I am exalted" in a way that is metaphysically loud and significant. Which, yes, I admit, I should have thought of - we were warned of this last turn with the dragonblooded.
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The light called their attention in the first place, and it should generally be assumed that big flashy announcements are noticeable in the areas you make them in any case.

We have lots of social dice, convincing him that we're strong enough to be worth explaining the situation in greater detail wouldn't have been hard. Even if he didn't buy it the guy has to be socially starved, the chance to talk is an enticement all it's own.

The key part would be to work out what the situation was here. Who won, who lost, who remains, before lighting off a signal flare to unknowns in an unknown environment.

It's not always useful or desirable to try winning every argument on every point at every opportunity. You can order things in such a fashion to get what you need at each step while minimizing blowback. Say by stealthily eliminating spies or otherwise securing a private place to talk. It depends on the details.
We don't know what might have been possible because we monofocused on the last thing the giant said instead of on what we're trying to accomplish.

This is like the third time a vote to announce something significant in the clear with no prep work or consideration for our environment has ended poorly. We should remove it from our default response list entirely at this point.

If we need to try it in the future then we should either confirm we know who's listening or change the direction of the conversation to something else until we can.
 
BronzeTongue said:
This is like the third time a vote to announce something significant in the clear with no prep work or consideration for our environment has ended poorly. We should remove it from our default response list entirely at this point.
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Dragonblooded are a recent example, and yet being upftont worked in the end and was one of the reason we were succesful overall. I also feel that this dismisses all the times we announced things upfront with basically no prep that payed off. Those include, as far as I remember, giving Mab the information on Nemesis, no tricks and no frills, no misdirections either to obfuscate where we got the information from. On the other hand, hiding the information in order to make preparations blew up in our face with our handling of Peabody and other traitors, where we didn't tell Harry immediately.

It, as a policy, has its benefits and downsides. Here, for example, we are confronted with enemies immediately, but those enemies are also food and source of power.
BronzeTongue said:
We have lots of social dice, convincing him that we're strong enough to be worth explaining the situation in greater detail wouldn't have been hard. Even if he didn't buy it the guy has to be socially starved, the chance to talk is an enticement all it's own.
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Convince him how? SImply throwing dice at things isn't how socials work at this level, as has been mentioned previously, if I recall correctly. We do need to have some manner of strategy, something to show. And each excellency costs essence.

DragonParadox said:
"Thou shalt bring No Light into the House of the Void!" One screams.

"Thou shall offer no Succor in the House of the Blessed Wretch!" another howls, cruel mockery that fades like the wind

"Thou shat bear no weapons in the House of Eternal Peace!" the last one proclaims, invoking some cruel authority over the living and the dead alike!
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Wait, wait, wait. They should be speaking in Primordial - SCCP is scene-long. We just used it. We spent essence to shield our conversation partners from harm - is it an effect everyone autoamtically benefits from, or did we limit it to the Nephilim, Tiffany and Lydia? Because if it's limited, then they should suffer 1 level of bashing damage immediately upon speaking. And, if they suffer damage, I have to ask - would that allow us to trigger Green Sun Nimbus Flare on them?
 
Yog said:
On the other hand, hiding the information in order to make preparations blew up in our face with our handling of Peabody and other traitors, where we didn't tell Harry immediately.
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We didn't tell Harry because he is terrible at keeping that sort of thing a secret as he had to be around Peabody due to his position. It's very unlikely he would've kept his knowledge hidden when interacting with him and the White Council for a long period of time and we didn't address it till months later.

[X] They are coming, Kill Them All
 
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Yog said:
Wait, wait, wait. They should be speaking in Primordial - SCCP is scene-long. We just used it. We spent essence to shield our conversation partners from harm - is it an effect everyone autoamtically benefits from, or did we limit it to the Nephilim, Tiffany and Lydia? Because if it's limited, then they should suffer 1 level of bashing damage immediately upon speaking. And, if they suffer damage, I have to ask - would that allow us to trigger Green Sun Nimbus Flare on them?
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They each took a level of bashing, though they are rather large so it's only a little help.
 
DragonParadox said:
It does not as it wasn't an attack by you, it was damaging themselves by speaking under the influence of the charm.
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Thanks, thought so. Two more questions:
1) Should Violence is Worship activate? We were talking civilly, and he these things interrupted with violence that's definitely enough tk trigger the charm

2) Are their prohibition effects environmental enough, or they themselves endemic for TLF to trigger when we attack them to protect our companions?
 
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