Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 29, 2025 at 6:30 AM, finished with 52 posts and 4 votes.

  • [X] Pray for permission / guidance on the matter of communicating with the dead being
    -[X] Use the current scene as a focus to learn who the being in front you is, either to get kore context for the follow up information, or so Lydia knows who to address
    -[X] If allowed, or no answer comes, Lydia talks to him
    -[X] If not allowed, use Naked Wicked Souls on the being, and ask a question to obtain the map of the passages, traps included
    -[X] STUNT: You clasp your hands in a way that you have practiced since you were a child, yet the words that come out of your mouth are something you wouldn't have thought to utter until less than a year ago. In your mind, the image of the guardian angel is firmly affixed, as you intone your prayer, the call which, a novel experience that, you actually half expect to receive a direct answer to: "Oh Lord, I seek guidance in this hour of need! Heavy is the hand of the chosen, and loud are our words. I seek not to endanger Creation, but to protect it. I beseech you to send me a sign - will conversing with the being before us endanger the bindings like those you set your angels to guard?"
    [X] Pray for permission / guidance on the matter of communicating with the dead being
    -[X] If allowed, or no answer comes, Lydia talks to him
    -[X] If not allowed, use Naked Wicked Souls on the being, and ask a question to obtain the map of the passages, traps included
    -[X] STUNT: You clasp your hands in a way that you have practiced since you were a child, yet the words that come out of your mouth are something you wouldn't have thought to utter until less than a year ago. In your mind, the image of the guardian angel is firmly affixed, as you intone your prayer, the call which, a novel experience that, you actually half expect to receive a direct answer to: "Oh Lord, I seek guidance in this hour of need! Heavy is the hand of the chosen, and loud are our words. I seek not to endanger Creation, but to protect it. I beseech you to send me a sign - will conversing with the being before us endanger the bindings like those you set your angels to guard?"
    [X] Gleaning Information
    -[X] Ask another question
    --[X] On the mummification bandages. Who were you?
    --[X] On the scene. Will the way collapse if this being awakens?
    --[X] On the beings Crown. Will another being like the Perfected Principle of Consumption or the charge of the End of the Road, the Silence of the Dragon Below be awakened by this awakening?
    --[X] On the intricately carved hole in the beings knee. What is the complete layout of the building beyond this point?
 
[X] Gleaning Information
-[X] Ask another question
--[X] On the mummification bandages. Who were you?
--[X] On the scene. Will the way collapse if this being awakens?
--[X] On the beings Crown. Will another being like the Perfected Principle of Consumption or the charge of the End of the Road, the Silence of the Dragon Below be awakened by this awakening?
--[X] On the intricately carved hole in the beings knee. What is the complete layout of the building beyond this point?
 
[X] Gleaning Information
-[X] Ask another question
--[X] On the mummification bandages. Who were you?
--[X] On the scene. Will the way collapse if this being awakens?
--[X] On the beings Crown. Will another being like the Perfected Principle of Consumption or the charge of the End of the Road, the Silence of the Dragon Below be awakened by this awakening?
--[X] On the intricately carved hole in the beings knee. What is the complete layout of the building beyond this point?

[X] Gleaning a bit less Information
--[X] On the scene. Will the way collapse if this being awakens?
--[X] On the beings Crown. Will another being like the Perfected Principle of Consumption or the charge of the End of the Road, the Silence of the Dragon Below be awakened by this awakening?


so another option that boils it down just to what is strictly necessary will awaken this thing collapse the tunnel will Awakening this thing awaken a Neverborn

it only cost two essence but by virtue of being less thorough no layout of the map after this point but we can ask another question later to get that no knowing exactly who or what this thing was which yet again as long as we don't destroy this place we could probably find out later.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 29, 2025 at 10:14 AM, finished with 59 posts and 7 votes.

  • [X] Pray for permission / guidance on the matter of communicating with the dead being
    -[X] Use the current scene as a focus to learn who the being in front you is, either to get kore context for the follow up information, or so Lydia knows who to address
    -[X] If allowed, or no answer comes, Lydia talks to him
    -[X] If not allowed, use Naked Wicked Souls on the being, and ask a question to obtain the map of the passages, traps included
    -[X] STUNT: You clasp your hands in a way that you have practiced since you were a child, yet the words that come out of your mouth are something you wouldn't have thought to utter until less than a year ago. In your mind, the image of the guardian angel is firmly affixed, as you intone your prayer, the call which, a novel experience that, you actually half expect to receive a direct answer to: "Oh Lord, I seek guidance in this hour of need! Heavy is the hand of the chosen, and loud are our words. I seek not to endanger Creation, but to protect it. I beseech you to send me a sign - will conversing with the being before us endanger the bindings like those you set your angels to guard?"
    [X] Gleaning Information
    -[X] Ask another question
    --[X] On the mummification bandages. Who were you?
    --[X] On the scene. Will the way collapse if this being awakens?
    --[X] On the beings Crown. Will another being like the Perfected Principle of Consumption or the charge of the End of the Road, the Silence of the Dragon Below be awakened by this awakening?
    --[X] On the intricately carved hole in the beings knee. What is the complete layout of the building beyond this point?
    [X] Pray for permission / guidance on the matter of communicating with the dead being
    -[X] If allowed, or no answer comes, Lydia talks to him
    -[X] If not allowed, use Naked Wicked Souls on the being, and ask a question to obtain the map of the passages, traps included
    -[X] STUNT: You clasp your hands in a way that you have practiced since you were a child, yet the words that come out of your mouth are something you wouldn't have thought to utter until less than a year ago. In your mind, the image of the guardian angel is firmly affixed, as you intone your prayer, the call which, a novel experience that, you actually half expect to receive a direct answer to: "Oh Lord, I seek guidance in this hour of need! Heavy is the hand of the chosen, and loud are our words. I seek not to endanger Creation, but to protect it. I beseech you to send me a sign - will conversing with the being before us endanger the bindings like those you set your angels to guard?"
    [X] Keep going
    [X] Gleaning a bit less Information
    --[X] On the scene. Will the way collapse if this being awakens?
    --[X] On the beings Crown. Will another being like the Perfected Principle of Consumption or the charge of the End of the Road, the Silence of the Dragon Below be awakened by this awakening?
 
Arc 15 Post 49: That is Not Dead New
That is Not Dead

Elsewhere, Time Indeterminate

You clasp your hands in a way that you have practiced since you were a child, yet the words that come out of your mouth are something you wouldn't have thought to utter until less than a year ago. In your mind, the image of the guardian angel is firmly affixed, as you intone your prayer, the call which, a novel experience that, you actually half expect to receive a direct answer to: "Oh Lord, I seek guidance in this hour of need! Heavy is the hand of the chosen, and loud are our words. I seek not to endanger Creation, but to protect it. I beseech you to send me a sign - will conversing with the being before us endanger the bindings like those you set your angels to guard?" If there's a Saint for this place you don't know which.

Nothing.

The hollow is as cold and empty as it ever had been, lit only by the pale jaundiced gold of the giant's headdress

OK, that's fine, I can take a hint about 'thou shall not tempt the Lord thine God'. Just need to get my own answers... and hope I still have enough power left when I get to the bottom to fight.

"What stands before me?"


One word comes back, old and heavy with meanings of a hundred translators: 'Nephilim'. But yours is not the quill of the scholar moved by the light of day or the glow of candles, yours are the eyes below, in the earth where the powers of old lay: Ezekiel 32 when God through the mouth of the prophet the doom of Egypt and her neighbors five hundred years and more before Christ, but they would not lie with the Nephilim 'who descended to Sheol with their weapons of war. They placed their swords beneath their heads and their shields upon their bones, for the terror of the warriors was upon the land of the living'.

"You know... when the Bible said 'giants' I was picturing something a little less giant than this." You quickly recount the answer to the others in as few words and as soft a tone as you can manage.

"Ah," Tiffany breathes half in revelation, half-taunting the absent Lasciel. "A bit too close to home, mine maker?"

"So in context it would be saying that the Egyptians would not just die, but they would die the death of men and not of the Nephilim who went into their grave... armed. Why would someone go into the grave armed."

"Either to fight someone for the right to enter the afterlife or..." Lydia pauses, not wanting to finish the thought as though in uttering she were to make it true, but you can guess it just the same.

"As guards, to keep something in."

"Not for a long time," Tiffany cuts in, looking up, her face unreadable. "But then what is time in this place where clocks do not turn and planets are still." Instinctively you know she doesn't mean the balls of rock and gas that turn around Sol, but the term more antique, the 'wanderers' before man could see the heavens by any method more acute than his eyes and thereby perhaps glimpse a truth beyond the present, when sun and moon were planets, but earth was not. "Ask what killed him."

Lydia looks shocked. "I can't just demand one of the fallen recount me the hour of their death as though they were nothing more than an echo of wailing in the dark. That hurts."

"If it's any kin of mine it will want to tell you so we can kill it." Tiffany's jaw is set, the merest mark of anger, though you can't quite tell from what, not without burning more essence you can scarce afford to.

So instead you just ask. "Tiffany?"

Though she doesn't raise her voice her answer burns with incredulous rage. "Why the fuck would he still be guarding something after he Fell? That was the whole... our freedom our only bitter prize."

For her part Lydia appears sympathetic, but worried as she looks up and in the tongue of old Egypt, ringing far louder in this place than human words have any right to sound proclaims her name, that much at least you catch, and ends on a questioning note.

The giant's answer comes not from his eyeless face, but as a rumble underfoot, the bones struggling against its bindings as Tiffany takes up translating as they speak

'Greetings Child of Ma'at, daughter of the Sons of Egypt, you stand now in the ruin of great work and in the ashes of our ambition. I beg thee now advance no further and take instead your companions back to the lands of the sun. If it is wrath that drives you know that it shall be drowned in the black waters and if it is hope know that it shall be suffocated in ash. There is nothing to see!'

'Elder, nothing there is here and the Nothing has come to the world above. Over the threshold of Am-khaibit they transgress, over the threshold of Ruruti likewise, a cruse upon Neb-abui of the Fortieth House for they are not men but only wear his shape."

'Fight them then in the sun-lands where you are strong and they are weak, not here in the black pit,' the ancient answers seeming to grow more restive in his struggles.

"Well there's one way to prove how strong we are..." Tiffany says.

Lydia Essence 4/7
Molly Essence 12/18


What do you do?

[] Reveal yourself
-[] Write in how

[] Tiffany reveals herself

[] Write in


OOC: The names Lydia used are three of the Forty Assessors of Ma'at. She basically called the Black Court 'a murderous blasphemy which steals offerings' with the secondary implication being that the offerings they steal are the memories of the dead.
 
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Worth a shot, but we should probably avoid the more literal sort of god bothering in the first.

Though I'd like to note that Catholics do have a tradition of praying to saints and angels for guidance on the theory that it's more polite than personally addressing the creator of the universe. If we need to try this later then starting there might get us better results simply because the idea is that taking your calls is part of those guys' day jobs.

'Greetings Child of Ma'at, daughter of the Sons of Egypt, you stand now in the ruin of great work and in the ashes of our ambition. I beg thee now advance no further and take instead your companions back to the lands of the sun. If it is wrath that drives you know that it shall be drowned in the black waters and if it is hope know that it shall be suffocated in ash. There is nothing to see!'
Just to make sure I have this straight; the context here is that this Nephilim fell, but chose to stay here as a guard in death anyway. Then at some point either his prisoner overwhelmed him or the cult dug its way into his grave and struck him while he was occupied with his duty.

What's not clear is if they made it further than this, and if the hubris he's talking about was in thinking he could hold this position or something he was involved in that tried to exploit the Underworld that backfired.

From a more mad science angle, I wonder if we could fix this guy. Break his bindings, add cybernetic prosthetics, that kind of thing. Best of all would be if we could harvest his chains and reforge them into splendor based prosthetics.

Infernals are meant to be Creation's grandest lockpicks after all. There's all kinds of fun thematic resonance to be had in that sort of project.
 
Just to make sure I have this straight; the context here is that this Nephilim fell, but chose to stay here as a guard in death anyway. Then at some point either his prisoner overwhelmed him or the cult dug its way into his grave and struck him while he was occupied with his duty.

What's not clear is if they made it further than this, and if the hubris he's talking about was in thinking he could hold this position or something he was involved in that tried to exploit the Underworld that backfired.

From a more mad science angle, I wonder if we could fix this guy. Break his bindings, add cybernetic prosthetics, that kind of thing. Best of all would be if we could harvest his chains and reforge them into splendor based prosthetics.

Infernals are meant to be Creation's grandest lockpicks after all. There's all kinds of fun thematic resonance to be had in that sort of project.
I think the context is a bit different - his fall, and likely that of his fellows, was him descending into the Underworld to make War with the Neverborn, likely against God's will. He might have thought that he could kill the Neverborn for real this time, remove the blight against Creation. He fell, both in his task, and due to trying, but even in Death remained committed to protecting the world against the threat. Possibly against the threat he himself unleashed by breaching the temple-tomb in an attempt to permakill what's buried there. @DragonParadox am I right in my interpretation?

Also, can we assume that TIffany and the Nephelim natively speak primordial and do not suffer damage due to SCCP?
 
I mean…. Is there any reason not to flare Molly's anima? Or Tiffany's form?

Edit: fixing this guy sounds fun tbh?
 
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I think the context is a bit different - his fall, and likely that of his fellows, was him descending into the Underworld to make War with the Neverborn, likely against God's will. He might have thought that he could kill the Neverborn for real this time, remove the blight against Creation. He fell, both in his task, and due to trying, but even in Death remained committed to protecting the world against the threat. Possibly against the threat he himself unleashed by breaching the temple-tomb in an attempt to permakill what's buried there. @DragonParadox am I right in my interpretation?

There's nothing to invalidate that perspective in what he said so far, but right now you do not know what the reason for his fall was, only the implication that he came down here as a guard and ended up... as he is.
 
Yes, I think if it is possible and he wants it at least a little bit and we are sure that it will not trigger the apocalypse because he is an asshole... We can add another nephilim to life in the new world. If he wants to help protect the world alive again, we have all the insetiv to help. Because the enemies are gathering forces and they may have more than one and only archmage up their sleeve.
 
[X] Reveal yourself and Tiffany
-[X] Ignite your anima, activate Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy with Willpower, and activate Source Code Compliance Protocol (pay 1 Essence)
-[X] STUNT: A new, green sun, rises in the bleak darkness of the Underworld, as your soul unfurls, an invincible banner of a one man army against the taint of the maw of oblivion. It dances, shadowless and bright, against the crystalline feathers of an ascending angel, accentuates your words, spoken in the language ancient before death was invented: "Exalted pays respect to the guardian of Creation, and is grateful for the concern. Know beyond the shadow of doubt - this Circle will not be shattered here. Know also, that it is not blind wrath that drives us, but a pursuit of evil. Know finally, that should you desire the end of your duty - be it the final rest, or the turning of the Wheel, both are mine to grant"

Ok, this is the final mote spending I am voting for here, hopefully. SCCP brooks no misunderstandings. That's important. And even the ability to speak it if proof of our power. What I am saying is:
1) I am declaring ourselves Exalted. In the Primordial Language. Even if he doesn't know what Exalted are, the language will convey the meaning. And part of the meaning of the word exalted is "those that fight gods and win, the superweapons to fight even the Primordials"
2) I am activating Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy, so he can see it. It's not a perfect defense, but it's a perfect shaping defense. I am also igniting our anima. I am, in a very real sense, bringing in the (green) sunlit land to the underworld locally. This is the main rebuke
3) Finally, I am making the offer - should he want release, either final death (Murder is Meat) or reincarnation (transport to Sanctuary) is possible. There's nothing really capable of stopping us from getting to Sanctuary.
4) I am declaring us a Circle. That should also have a lot of meaning.

This is preliminary, I am taking (begging for) suggestions.

I mean…. Is there any reason not to flare Molly's anima? Or Tiffany's form?

Edit: fixing this guy sounds fun tbh?
Assuming we permanently deal with what's down there, we could pull off the same thing we did with the Colombian god, couldn't we? And he would be one hell of a trump card against Lasciel.
 
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[X] Reveal yourself and Tiffany

I don't have any suggestions to make this better mechanically, but you did type out wraith instead of wrath?
 
old and heavy with with meanings
Delete one 'with'
when God though through the mouth of the prophet [brought/foretold/proclaimed] the doom of Egypt
'Through' not 'though', insert 'brought/foretold/proclaimed' or some alternative
Though [she] doesn't raise her voice
Insert 'she'
louder in the this place
Delete 'the'
have any right to sound[,] proclaims her name,
Insert comma
 
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