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Even if this doesn't affect the metaphysical balance at all, I expect some Denarians to strike at Molly or Lash or both with their normal means.

This was quite the provokation.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Even if this doesn't affect the metaphysical balance at all, I expect some Denarians to strike at Molly or Lash or both with their normal means.

This was quite the provocation.
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Eh, Nicodemus learned about Harry getting rid of Lash in 'Small Favors' and Lasciel didn't take a swing at him until 'Skin Game' years later. Granted, it was pretty clear it WAS personal with Lasciel, and she did get pissed off, but the rest of the Denarians and devils didn't care.
 
drake_azathoth said:
Eh, Nicodemus learned about Harry getting rid of Lash in 'Small Favors' and Lasciel didn't take a swing at him until 'Skin Game' years later. Granted, it was pretty clear it WAS personal with Lasciel, and she did get pissed off, but the rest of the Denarians and devils didn't care.
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There is a big difference between getting rid of the shadow and getting full on "Yoink! Finders, keepers!". Even assuming they are not in any way interested in what the hell and how Molly did to pull it off, which is highly unlikely, it's still a kind of precedent that if it becomes known may severely hobble their future recruiting attempts.
 
drake_azathoth said:
Lash isn't Lasciel, as we should know very well.

If anything, she could be considered Lasciel's child with Harry, if she isn't Lasciel's child with Harry AND Molly.

This isn't the World of Darkness either.

If she is considered Molly's kid in any way, I could see an argument that Lash is not only innocent of any of Lasciel's wrongdoing, but as a 'child' still bound by the protection that is supposed to cover Michael's family up until she intervenes in the battle between good and evil.
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I think that pushing the Lash is Lasciel's child with X character angle is both incorrect and kind of creepy given their relationships with each other.

Lasciel made Lash entirely herself, Harry was just a host. Molly made her medical equipment, but the whole point of our argument with her was that she was a complete and independent individual with or without our intervention. We just gave her more ability to act.

If anything she's more like that fungus that takes over ants like a zombie virus.

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Zoolimar said:
There is a big difference between getting rid of the shadow and getting full on "Yoink! Finders, keepers!". Even assuming they are not in any way interested in what the hell and how Molly did to pull it off, which is highly unlikely, it's still a kind of precedent that if it becomes known may severely hobble their future recruiting attempts.
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Also, seeing something so heavily reminiscent of their prior angelic forms is probably going to goad them like nothing else. Just by existing someone like Lash is throwing their entire history in their faces.
 
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Arc 10 Post 33: Ground Rules
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    • Ground Rules ​

    24th of December 2006 A.D.

    There are a lot of words that come to mind at Lash's request, several inarticulate exclamations, but since 'yeep' is neither very dignified nor all that helpful you settle for wiping your brow, then your hands. Maybe I should pick up those pieces of silver, they could be dangerous... No, you lift your eyes to meet vivid emerald, nothing in this room is as dangerous as the woman I let out of the mirror of my own will promised and done. If she wants to have a talk with dad or with Amoracchius it is my responsibility to take her there.

    "Sure, just let me cool this down, otherwise someone down here might think we are declaring war." The smile you say that with does nothing to veil the genuine concern.

    "Oh trust me war has been declared this night, just not with anyone who would bother to claim these dim halls," the incarnate, no more a shadow proclaims. "No offense," she adds after a moment.

    Not touching that one yet. "You can come too Harry, if you want."

    "I'll come..." Before he can say anything more Lash reaches across him in a way that is just barely not falling into his lap to grab a can of pringles and pop it open.

    "For the record, he absolutely does not want to, but he feels responsible. For what it's worth my erstwhile host you are not. What you have done hundreds of others have done before. What she has done none have dared since the day Judas Iscariot committed that last fateful sin."

    "Easy for you to say," Harry says eyes not moving from her face an inch despite the very deliberate manner she straightens up and making you feel a bit more cheerful in the process. It's not just you then.

    "Yes, very easy for me to say Harry, I have a mouth of my own and eyes and ears, hands and feet, it's... well I can't even call it a dream come true since that would imply an ability to conceptualize this..." She pops the cap off the can and starts eating with the voraciousness of someone who has never eaten anything ever. "And yet I do, here we are. The rules have been... not broken or I would not be here. Circumvented? Amended somehow?"

    "You knew I was going to make you a body," you point out reasonably, also grabbing a can of coke, since your cool off period has been declared snack time.

    "And I assumed that if it did work the result would me mostly human. Oh perhaps I would have some capacity for mortal magic, perhaps even that I would be what the Council counts a full wizard. This is not human, memory of grace and counterfeit divinity stitched together with threads spun out of Old Night."

    "So what are you planning?" Harry presses.

    Lash shakes her head. "See this is one of the mistakes you always make, starting to plan the first move before you even know what the board looks like. I want, I need to know what the rules are now and the side her father—" she motions to you "—is on will truthfully explain, if they denign to speak to me at all."

    "I think they will," you say, an article of faith not arcane surety for once, having sacrificed the latter for the former in this. "Either way though I'm sure Dad will have some advice." And Mom will have words, you think, but do not say. Harry at least seems to hear you just the same.

    For her part Lash seems to find the byplay hilarious, doing her best not to giggle.

    ***​

    The three of you make your way out of the sewer by the usual path, the only remarkable thing about the journey though Undertown being that Lash does not seem offended by the smell the way most people are upon first encountering it, she does not even let go of the can of pringles, but soon enough you are on the old Southworks lot where Black Rider is patiently waiting to take you home.

    Lash stops in front of the car and looks it up and down. For a moment you are concerned she is going to make some kind of antique car snob comment and hurt his feelings, but she seems to be paying more attention to the magic than the metal. Whatever thoughts she may have on him she does not share. She reaches for another pringle, comes up empty, frowns at the can with a lot more focus than it probably deserves... Oh, you realize suddenly, she's considering if she should drop the can here in the empty lot or wait until she finds a trash can.

    Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 14/15

    In some minute way she is pondering virtue and vice.

    "So who's riding in front?" Harry asks, sensing the tension if not the cause.

    "I'll cede it to you if you handle this for me," Lash says and presses the can into his hand.

    "Sure," he nods dubiously. Harry had not even wanted to sit in front, but he's obviously not going to litter now that he has the thing in hand.

    "An encouraging sign as to her pragmatism perhaps Gracious Worker of Marvels," Usum offers.

    Be that as may, you do not think it's something you can share with Mom and Dad.

    How do you introduce your parents to the Fallen Angel you just incarnated

    [] Call ahead, try to explain
    -[] Write in stunt (optional)

    [] Just show up
    -[] Write in stunt (optional)

    OOC: Enjoy.
     
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    • Artemis1992 said:
    I believe most demons, for all the metaphysical weight, would loose if they got stuck in a cage-match with a Vampire or Werewolf with a similar amount of total XP spend.
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    I'm under the impression Werewolf is the "cagematch" splat, so yes to the latter, ehh on the former.

    DragonParadox said:
    Lash stops in front of the car and looks it up and down. For a moment you are concerned she is going to make some kind of antique car snob combat and hurt his feelings, but she seems to be paying more attention to the magic than the metal. Whatever thoughts she may have on him she does not share. She reaches for another pringle, comes up empty, frowns at the can with a lot more focus than it probably deserves... Oh, you realize suddenly, she's considering if she should drop the can here in the empty lot or wait until she finds a trash can.

    In some minute way she is pondering virtue and vice.
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    Lol wanna introduce Lash to the shopping cart maxim now
     
    [X] Call ahead, try to explain
    -[X] Empathy excellency, Etiquette excellency, Occult excellency
    -[X] Warn mom and dad tat they might be getting another visit from Uriel or some other angelic higher up. We are bringing in a guest that they will probably want to talk to. Amoracchius probably already knows.
     
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    Not being an asshole will pay dividends, Lash, don't worry about that. Play the game and it will provide.

    We should definitely deliver a small prayer in addition to whatever more mundane means we provide, if any. I'm sure God knows but it would be good to put it through the system 'officially' because we are about to walk a semblance of a fallen angel in a form that should not be possible straight through a guardian angel and whatever machinations of divine providence are shielding the place.

    It would probably be alright... but lets be polite.
     
    A_Somebody said:
    I'm under the impression Werewolf is the "cagematch" splat, so yes to the latter, ehh on the former.
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    I always felt that in WoD wreckers never were the main problem. Like yes, you need some way to deal with your opponents but it's not something that would make them want to crawl on the walls and tear their hair out. Different finicky abilities or just straight up mastery of Obfuscate were always a much bigger problem in my experience.

    Just looking at the hand Lash got with her Lore one through three it's a kind of kit that allows for ridiculous levels of bullshit to be pulled off outside of direct combat. Anyone who is not Molly, Odin or similar level of supernatural senses going to suffer just trying to find her. And with Flesh at 5 she can go full on Spark on the world introducing new fantastical creatures to spice it up.
     
    Zoolimar said:
    Just looking at the hand Lash got with her Lore one through three it's a kind of kit that allows for ridiculous levels of bullshit to be pulled off outside of direct combat. Anyone who is not Molly, Odin or similar level of supernatural senses going to suffer just trying to find her. And with Flesh at 5 she can go full on Spark on the world introducing new fantastical creatures to spice it up.
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    We will absolutely be commissioning fantastical creatures. And more mundane ones. Seriously, in a few years we'll be reintroducing populations of thylacines into Australia... some remnant population mankind clearly just kind of missed... along with other victims to mankind's excesses. It just kind of happens and dominates the news every few years.

    A million dollars a species would be cheap.
     
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    [X] Call ahead, try to explain
    -[X] Empathy excellency, Etiquette excellency, Occult excellency
    -[X] Warn mom and dad tat they might be getting another visit from Uriel or some other angelic higher up. We are bringing in a guest that they will probably want to talk to. Amoracchius probably already knows.
     
    [X] Call ahead, try to explain
    -[X] Empathy excellency, Etiquette excellency, Occult excellency
    -[X] Warn mom and dad tat they might be getting another visit from Uriel or some other angelic higher up. We are bringing in a guest that they will probably want to talk to. Amoracchius probably already knows.
     
    [X] Call ahead, try to explain
    -[X] Empathy excellency, Etiquette excellency, Occult excellency
    -[X] Warn mom and dad that they might be getting another visit from Uriel or some other angelic higher up. We are bringing in a guest that they will probably want to talk to. Amoracchius probably already knows.
     
    [X] Just show up

    Might not be a great plan to alert people to our movements in advance.

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    This is not human, memory of grace and counterfeit divinity stitched together with threads spun out of Old Night."
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    Hey! It's not counterfeit, it's original brand.
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    The best analogue for Lash is that she's, in Eclipse Phase terms, a beta fork of Laschiel.

    She isn't a child, she's a pruned copy.
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    That's partially a cultural thing though. A beta fork presumably identifies as the same individual and they have context to slot into that handles them as a specific case.

    Lash was a beta fork, then she chose to become her own new individual that happens to retain her old memories. As a new person sourced from Lasciel the closest approximation of their relationship is mother-daughter, and that's the only context they or anyone else involved has to interpret things through.

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    Did someone supernatural get into the Chips-industry to produce that name?
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    …We really missed an opportunity to make all the snacks religious and Angel themed.

    Angel food cake, michealmas cake, holy tit buns that exist for some reason*, stuff like that. :V

    * Not Angel related, but the look on Harry's face would have been amazing.
     
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