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Didn't Arawn catch him?
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Nope.
He got clean away before Arawn and Gard went about freeing and laying the enslaved ghosts to rest.
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I propose that we call Lash a Risen Angel when describing what she is.
That's not actually true though; she isn't properly an Angel and probably doesn't want to be on Heaven's payroll anyway.
Lash is not quite a Fallen anymore, but that doesn't automatically shift her back into the other camp. She's in a grayer position than that.
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I wasn't proposing that she was in any way on heaven's payroll. No more than fallen angels are.
Are we just going to kill him, or try stealing all his sweet sweet supernatural secrets?
Bet we could fit him into a modified essence trap and make him into a book or something.
Risen Angel kind of implies she's been redeemed into Heaven's service pretty heavily. In that she's literally risen back to her former status, which is how I think most people would parse that phrasing.
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We could actually likely get him to work for us the normal way. Molly should neatly fit the Kemlar shaped hole in his psych. He has been working with a bunch of other bad guys.
Remember Evil Bob doesn't have free will anymore then Bob does and he was created to be a research assistant to a dark overlord.
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Molly has already called her an Incarnate a couple updates ago.
Or just call her Nephilim/Laham; gifts of men and Lores of demons. They are apparently a thing in DtF.
Or we could borrow from Demon the Descent and call her Unchained.
Not sure it matters. I doubt there's ever going to be so many like her to warrant their own classification.
I just dont think its wise, based on his behavior and apparent choice of associates, to leave him running around
Or just call her Nephilim/Laham; gifts of men and Lores of demons. They are apparently a thing in DtF.
Or we could borrow from Demon the Descent and call her Unchained.
Not sure it matters. I doubt there's ever going to be so many like her to warrant their own classification.
Not sure yet.
I just dont think its wise, based on his behavior and apparent choice of associates, to leave him running around
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He's an untrustworthy shitheel though, I'd rather just off him in some useful way than rely on him for anything.
That seems very appropriate. It nicely emphasizes the freedom she's gained.
I don't know, sounds like a fun way to screw with Hell to me. Even better if we can get Lash and her eventual peers to be self sustaining in terms of population growth.
Yeah, he's not good news.
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Kemlar obviously found him reliable and our ability to read dark Bob should be more pronounced than our ability to read Lash. DPE should also work on him. If we can actually get him to acknowledge us as his master he should be reliable.
Kemmler was a self destructive asshole, and he worked by running a personality cult so strong Bob's best solution to the conditioning was to cut out part of of essence and let it go it's own way.
I wouldn't take his advice for anything or trust we can take the reins on his shit without acting the part.
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We can totally act the part without even trying we do it every time we interact with Maeve. And in this case we have much more leverage. Multiple of dark Bob's intimacies should work in our favor.
He is so much easier to work with then Lash or Broken Seeker. Mostly because we can establish a clear pecking order without him resenting it.
Edit: Our dark overlord vibes have been giving us trouble since day one. It would be nice for them to work for us.
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1)Kemmler really isnt the best character reference for a spirit you want to hire
Remember, the first time Dresden activated him, Evil Bob almost killed him. Bob exorcised him after Dead Beat a year ago, and he apparently promptly hooked up with a bunch of necromancers again to help them commit mass murder for power.
It says something that cheerfully amoral Bob is creeped out by his evil twin.
Im not averse to redemption chronicles, but the person has to actually be interested in it.
When we find him, we can make a decision.
I dont think Molly would condemn a person sight unseen, especially since with spirits you cant be sure how much culpability they have. But dont get your hopes up.
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Redemption can come later, but we should not have much trouble establishing obedience which is good enough for him to be useful and a good way to take him out of play.
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Just occured to me that Lash is one of maybe four or five people who we know have the details of the Word of Kemmler.
Dresden, Mavra, Cowl, EvilBob and now Lash.
And thus, one of a handful of people who can pull off a Darkhallow.
Especially with spirits. We dont have the time or attention span to micro-manage people.
2) Useful?
We dont use necromancy, remember? Kemmler's preferred suite and lore is not very useful to an Infernal Exalt.
Taking him out of play is to deny him to others, not for any personal benefit.
Dresden, Mavra, Cowl, EvilBob and now Lash.
And thus, one of a handful of people who can pull off a Darkhallow.
1)We dont do obedience. We do trust.
Especially with spirits. We dont have the time or attention span to micro-manage people.
2) Useful?
We dont use necromancy, remember? Kemmler's preferred suite and lore is not very useful to an Infernal Exalt.
Taking him out of play is to deny him to others, not for any personal benefit.
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Gard. Perhaps Mab too.
Not sure how much Mab was watching before she strolled in, but I think she still saw the circle.
Thats assuming there are any around
If he could find Abyssal Exaltations, he and Kattrin wouldnt have been fucking around with the Black Feast in Chicago.
The Word of Kemmler is from the events of Dead Beat last year around Halloween.
Mab might know it, because Mab, but Gard certainly doesnt.
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1. Same difference when dealing with subordinate without free will.
2.You really think that a encyclopedia of modern day dark magic isn't useful for an Infernal crafting using ancient magic? He should be a masterwork tool for just about any occult ritual.
If nothing else we can have him spill a bunch of secrets to Clippy to repeat for whenever we need an essence boost.
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Probably clear sight merit too - she was able to perceive angelic guards around our home.
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AH.
I was thinking about the mantle-stealing ritual we altered for Arawn.
Which isn't quite a Dark Hallow, but not that far from one either.
They work for us all the time, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to pick up every asshole they halfway apply to. Evil Bob has some very strong and specific ideologies, just being a generic evil lord isn't enough. I don't think we benefit from trying to ride herd on him.
He is very near the bottom of the list of people we want involved in any of that. It's like sending an apocalypse cultist to hunt missing nukes. If he slips the leash even once some really bad shit could happen.
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Might have just been an Occult roll and fairly easy deduction. She would know standard procedure.
No point in responding anymore given you aren't saying anything new. I shouldn't even be responding now, but the way Internet arguments go if I don't everyone acts like you made a great point.
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1) Molly's cyberdevils chose service and loyalty, by Word of QM. And the spirits in the Brass Courts have volition of their own.
A prisoner is a whole different matter.
And Evil Bob has sufficient free will to offer to betray Corpsetaker in Ghost Story.
2) For what exactly?
We have no interest in making dark magic artifacts. Kemmler didnt make any artifacts that are lying around either, so I rather doubt his lab assistant has any particular insight into the matter either. And for broader magic lore, Vanilla Bob is better and is generally content with information exchange and banter.
Besides, if we were really interested in the lore EvilBob has, good odds we could probably use the Crown to get it.
We arent obligated to minionize every evil spirit out there.
I am not against offering help for redemption; if nothing else, the harder tasks bring bonus XP.
But I dont really see anything that he, personally, would bring to Molly's entourage.
Nah, innate power. Citation:
Demon The Fallen Core p172 said:
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