FATHER QUEST - A Cartoon Network: Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest Cross Over

I wonder how hard Martial Actions against the Gems would be, anyway?
To the best of my memory, the Gems are fairly capable of combat. Strong, fast, durable, and each subtype possessing a unique ability or three related to their intended role.

But from what I remember of both shows, and take with a grain of salt of course, Father is generally just as durable if not more so.

Father doesn't show the same extent of strength or speed as dedicated combat or speedy gems but he does have some super strength and speed feats so I could be forgetting something.

The abilities can be harder to pin down, but oddly I think this is the one area I just don't remember many gems being able to compete in. Like obviously Lapis is fucking absurd, and Sapphires can see the future as well as freeze things. But outside of those threats are few and far between compared to Father's fucking array.
 
Seriously though, my newfound grudge against Mandark aside. The military industrial complex makes enough per year to make Scrooge McDuck notice, I think if we got in on that, dedicating our company to making weapons of war and robots for "Defence against the Gem Empire's incursion on planet Earth" we'll be pretty successful. Let Chris make reality tv, let the villains fight amongst the streets against whatever heroes remain, let... whatever's happening in Florida go on I guess.

Recruit Learning and maybe Occult heroes, use our amazing martial against Gem's in person and as a general/commander person, earn fuck tons of profit from the government and whoever wants kickass robots, and find suitable allies. Mandy seems very sensible for a teenager for example.

(Maybe crush Mandork along the way, as he'll probably be a direct rival in terms of defence funding.)
 
Mandy seems very sensible for a teenager for example.
I do worry about Mandy on principle. Thing is, she's sensible. She has some tolerance and some sort of good nature to her deep down for the people she 'cares' about. But beyond that? In the far future, she's a despot, worm god ruling with an iron fist. She overpowers reality with a smile. An evil mind controlling alien can't eat her brain without being taken over.

Associating with Mandy is a prospect I tentatively support, with quite a lot of concern. Mandy is someone that won't play second fiddle.
 
Yeah, my immediate thought is to help drive the aliens out of Toronto (and make a pretty profit while we do). Also, Scam Co. is now the first business I want to open relations with, on the basis that it sounds hilarious.
 
Yeah, my immediate thought is to help drive the aliens out of Toronto (and make a pretty profit while we do). Also, Scam Co. is now the first business I want to open relations with, on the basis that it sounds hilarious.

ScamCo is also appealing to me because their goals are so straightforward. They want to make money, all the money, while ripping off suckers. That's it, that's the whole point. We just have to make sure we aren't the suckers and we can definitely come to a mutual understanding.
 
ScamCo is also appealing to me because their goals are so straightforward. They want to make money, all the money, while ripping off suckers. That's it, that's the whole point. We just have to make sure we aren't the suckers and we can definitely come to a mutual understanding.
A sort of alliance maybe, in the future. The Allied Group of Mundanely Evil Capitalists(working title). We want success, we want money, and we probably want a civilization to rule and profit from. Mandy's future worm form needs cinnamon to run, I'm sure if we can expand to space off of Gem tech we can dedicate a planet or two for her, Scam Co can make so much money, and we can do whatever we want. This is far future stuff, assuming everything goes well. So let's scale back and say forming some sort of corporate alliance with Mandy and Scam Co could be potentially profitable for all of us, and that the Gem's are a problem.
 
A sort of alliance maybe, in the future. The Allied Group of Mundanely Evil Capitalists(working title). We want success, we want money, and we probably want a civilization to rule and profit from. Mandy's future worm form needs cinnamon to run, I'm sure if we can expand to space off of Gem tech we can dedicate a planet or two for her, Scam Co can make so much money, and we can do whatever we want. This is far future stuff, assuming everything goes well. So let's scale back and say forming some sort of corporate alliance with Mandy and Scam Co could be potentially profitable for all of us, and that the Gem's are a problem.
I'm gonna go with Scam Co first. I don't really trust either Eddy or Mandy, but Eddy...He's not an idiot, and he will try to cheat us, but I think we can take him. Mandy, on the other hand, is legitimately quite terrifying. And that was BEFORE she had all the powers of Hell, to paraphrase the other Quest's lingo.
 
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On the subject of crit fails and crit succeses, I'd call the Monarch attempting to ruin Venture by telling everyone about him was definitely a blunder.
 
So just wanting to compile something of a list. Who are the villains/people we know Father just flat out could probably not take on in a fight, head to head? I'm curious as to if there's anyone we should just outright avoid confronting until we've developed a means to take down that individual.

I'm struggling to think of many examples honestly, a fully enraged Father can incinerate most opposition.
 
ScamCo is also appealing to me because their goals are so straightforward. They want to make money, all the money, while ripping off suckers. That's it, that's the whole point. We just have to make sure we aren't the suckers and we can definitely come to a mutual understanding.
One of the problems is that their blatant ads and poor quality annoy Father. I don't think ScamCo would have a place in Father's perfect world. That said, the world isn't perfect, and we might need to make compromises to get there.
 
So just wanting to compile something of a list. Who are the villains/people we know Father just flat out could probably not take on in a fight, head to head? I'm curious as to if there's anyone we should just outright avoid confronting until we've developed a means to take down that individual.

I'm struggling to think of many examples honestly, a fully enraged Father can incinerate most opposition.

Occult is currently our weak spot relatively speaking, so avoiding the most magic-focused enemies seems prudent. Someone like Charmcaster might not out-dakka Father, but she could probably keep him from hurting her and do some esoteric stuff to ruin his day.
 
So just wanting to compile something of a list. Who are the villains/people we know Father just flat out could probably not take on in a fight, head to head? I'm curious as to if there's anyone we should just outright avoid confronting until we've developed a means to take down that individual.

I'm struggling to think of many examples honestly, a fully enraged Father can incinerate most opposition.
I can think of plenty. Aku naturally (I'm pretty sure unless you have a holy weapon on hand, he just...Can't actually die), Anti-Pops, probably The Lich...Plus you need him to be fully 100% ENRAGED, and it's rare for that to happen. It took Grandfather last time, and that was, uh, PERSONAL. And, even then, he came very close to giving up and just eating Rocky Road (as evidenced by the fact that is what actually...Happened in canon). Plus, keep in mind, there is a downside to getting Father fully angry, namely, it TANKS every other stat, which, this early in the game while we're still trying to stabilize our power-base, would be KILLER.
 
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So just wanting to compile something of a list. Who are the villains/people we know Father just flat out could probably not take on in a fight, head to head? I'm curious as to if there's anyone we should just outright avoid confronting until we've developed a means to take down that individual.

I'm struggling to think of many examples honestly, a fully enraged Father can incinerate most opposition.
As he is now/canon or as the quest seems to imply he now could be?

For the former honestly Father at his absolute best/worst scales so far beyond even the rest of usual feats that he's genuinely absurd. I could legitimately see him posing a threat to 9/10ths of beings through sheer power alone. I'm almost certain to forget figures but I'll give a shot.

Confidently beats Father: Anti-Pops (he may be weakened right now but he's just out of the normal scale entirely), Lich (It's Grandfather, but seemingly worse. I don't think I need to continue that line.), Aku (The Master of Darkness is not to be trifled with child!), and Ice King (through a combo of similar levels of confirmed outlier potential and exact anti-synergy for Father. Of course I could be wrong but hey.)

Uncertain but Wary: Black Hat (Iirc there's implications he might be more in Aku's ball park but I don't think we've actually seen that so...), Vilgax (I...I frankly just don't know why I put him here and not one up. But I think this feels right for some reason.), Grim/Kuki (Death the Psychopomp is a helluva figure...but one that has been beaten in a variety of frankly sad ways. I just don't know.), Nergal (he should be a absolutely terrifying god of evil. But he's from Grim Adventures so we've also seen him beat by shin kicks.), The Diamonds (Their main abilities (minus a single exception that I can remember and will mention) just, don't work on Father. They're stuck down to physical fights which are not their forte but they're huge and implied to be the pinnacle of gem kind in every way. Blue is oddly the main threat since her powers do work on humans I believe.), RRB (didn't they use to physically match or surpass the PPG's in every way? They're stupid and very vulnerable to hax, but man are they powerhouses physically.)

Out Hax's: Charmcaster (Her magic is powerful and diverse, I'm sure that even if she couldn't beat Father in a fight she can atleast get around him or something), HIM (I don't remember how he was in direct fights otherwise he might go in the confident section but I severely doubt HIM would even let it happen in the first place), Van Kleiss (Solely here cause I swear I remember he was near immortal before he got his hands on the master control nanite that can pump out more. It's the good old Wolverine issue if I'm right. We can beat him down but the nanites will just remake him again and again.)
 
Issue with ignoring mandark. He doesn't give up on grudges. If he's gotten into his head we are a rival, he'll take any action or inaction on our part as needling him or as a personal insult. The only way to appease his ego would be submitting and saying he's better at robots than us, and Father would never admit that about a teenager
Not to mention that as a teenager with presumably high learning and little else there is an incentive to go after Mandrake early before he gets resources needed to snowball.
 
Gonna respond to the one's I know well enough to make a semi-informed contribution to.

Aku (The Master of Darkness is not to be trifled with child!)
The easy example, honestly. An array of different abilities and undefined powers; likely to play with his food a bit but even still, a head on fight will have you dead. Possibly a vulnerability to super holy weapons?
Acts as an antithesis to Fathers own powers, so I imagine the end conclusion is based on who can overpower who with their heat or cold.
Makes sense, but probably less dangerous than the above two; Vilgax is a genocidal warrior and has bested all sorts of aliens, but he's still limited in essentially being a brute and a capable/competent leader. Could he punch out father and knock his head clean off? Probably yeah, but he's limited in not having powers.

Unless he has the Omnitrix - that changes things.
These one's I know. So they've got a pretty inclusive Superman style powerset, from ice breath to laser vision; they match feats with the PPGs, mirroring the girls, who themselves can hear all the way from the moon to the Earth (don't ask me how...), they can also traverse to the moon and back to the Earth in maybe... I might be misremembering, but it's near instantaneous from what I recall.

Given the RRB are consistently their closest physical contender, sometimes outpowering them, I imagine any of the three is one of the really serious threats.

However, two out of the three aren't really very intelligent, and Brick (albeit when he was a child) was himself not the sharpest tool either. So that depends on how the three developed.

Which makes me think - acquiring Chemical X could be a worthwhile venture.
Less overt than the rest, and that makes her dangerous. Certainly more blunt than her uncle, but manipulative enough to makeup for her lack of sheer knowledge; girl has potential and skill. Or she did, since however many years ago Ben 10 took place.
 
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Right now Chris is weak and Canadian (shouldn't harm our opinion with US gov). Would be better to pounce on him now before he builds himself up so we can take over TV for ourselves.
Letting him simmer for a bit would turn him into a common enemy with Peridot though, which could lead to future non-aggressive interactions. I'm pretty sure he hasn't canceled Camp Pining Hearts if he's still expanding out of reality tv and just finished the Total Drama Dome.
 
Any other factions in Canada we should know about before we start trying to handle ruling two in two places.
there are four total.

Total Drama City State is in the Great Lake Region, Scam Co is in British Columbia, and finally Newfinland is under the control of Stormalong Harbor and Captain K'nuckles. Rest is Gem Territory.

As for everything here, the Guild is a nice idea if Father ever decides he's fine with others being in Charge; Mandark and Mandy could be issues in the long run though.

As for going after Chris... Eh? At least this early on it's probably better to concolidate power, especially since if we defeat Chris to early it could throw both the balance of Canada (Gems can begin assaulting through the Great Lakes Region) and the Entertainment Industy (Moltar has unopposed control of the Airwaves) out of whack.
 
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Nuts to playing nice with Mandark, that guy built a bigger robot, so we'll build an even bigger, better, and badder one. Show him what the unrelenting power of having already gone through puberty and an appreciation for smooth jazz can do! Though I can see it snowballing from an actual rivalry to corporate feud to outright warfare, the fact of the matter is that pissing contests are contests for a reason. And we're not going to lose one to someone who has more test tubes than pubes.

If we want to undermine anyone else, it should also be Black Hat. Dangers aside from challenging a demon, having our homeland seemingly get turned into just more of what happened under Pappy is infuriating. Plus he's just got a way harsher vibe about him. Not a fan. Let's get 'im too and focus on taking him down in the longterm.

Also going into the book of KND (Kings in Need of Destroying), is Eddy, kinda. Just to make sure that guy knows not to mess with our turf. Just a light drubbing, though. Maybe sponsor some kinda Soopervillain attack on his storefronts, make him regret using cardboard with a display of force from the Toiletnator. Then send him a nice peace offering, like a giftbasket with some jawbreakers just to make it clear that it wasn't personal. Bully the schmuck.

In more friendly or neutral actions. Let's start digging into some of that sweet sweet defense budget by contracting for the US military. And also start making nice with the only other other Demonic king so she can help us with Black Hat. Sensible gal, like her style. Could also ask Monstroso about how to best become friendly with the Guild. Super villains need to stick together, ya know? Could maybe even contract some Guild goons to do some branded villainy.

Katz and Total Drama I'm honestly indifferent about so far, like... Kind of ominous what they seem to be doing? But they're probably fine if we don't poke 'em. Probably.

So in summation, ranking from hostile to friendly:

Black Hat - Prepare for war.
Mandark - Pissing contest ahoy!
Eddy - Put some dirt in his eye but make nice later.
Chris - I don't even know who you are, but annoying tv is annoying tv.
Katz - Is a cat. Meow.
US Government - We're open for business!
Mandy - Play nice.
Guild - Play REAL nice.
 
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Nuts to playing nice with Mandark, that guy built a bigger robot, so we'll build an even bigger, better, and badder one. Show him what the unrelenting power of having already gone through puberty and an appreciation for smooth jazz can do! Though I can see it snowballing from an actual rivalry to corporate feud to outright warfare, the fact of the matter is that pissing contests are contests for a reason. And we're not going to lose one to someone who has more test tubes than pubes.

If we want to undermine anyone else, it should also be Black Hat. Dangers aside from challenging a demon, having our homeland seemingly get turned into just more of what happened under Pappy is infuriating. Plus he's just got a way harsher vibe about him. Not a fan. Let's get 'im too and focus on taking him down in the longterm.

Also going into the book of KND (Kings in Need of Destroying), is Eddy, kinda. Just to make sure that guy knows not to mess with our turf. Just a light drubbing, though. Maybe sponsor some kinda Soopervillain attack on his storefronts, make him regret using cardboard with a display of force from the Toiletnator. Then send him a nice peace offering, like a giftbasket with some jawbreakers just to make it clear that it wasn't personal. Bully the schmuck.

In more friendly or neutral actions. Let's start digging into some of that sweet sweet defense budget by contracting for the US military. And also start making nice with the only other other Demonic king so she can help us with Black Hat. Sensible gal, like her style. Could also ask Monstroso about how to best become friendly with the Guild. Super villains need to stick together, ya know? Could maybe even contract some Guild goons to do some branded villainy.

Katz and Total Drama I'm honestly indifferent about so far, like... Kind of ominous what they seem to be doing? But they're probably fine if we don't poke 'em. Probably.
Ok, I know where everyone is but I think I should mention villain tiers for a second.
In Villains Victorious Games there are 4 tiers of Characters, Zero, On a Roll, Hero, and God (Yes their named after that hercules song). Kings can emerge in any of those 4 (Though Zero Kings are quite rare, with only Lemongrab and Wasabi being Zeroes (And very technically Doof but its a joke with him).

Most Kings are On a Roll, with Hero Tier being the strongest kings one could conventionally fight (God Tier Kings share a statline called YOU LOSE and need to be defeated Narratively). Father is a Hero Tier King, but much of his actual hero tier power as of now is locked to when he is at his angriest.

I say this because most of our Rivals we know of are On a Roll. There are 2 exceptions here, Mandy and Black Hat who are both Hero tier. This means they likely have far higher then average stats. I would recommend not engaging these 2 until we have a solid defensive base on as many fronts as possible (Not just martial but also PR).
 
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