Fate/Clusterfuck (Fate/Stay Night)

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Swedish15 said:
Honestly, Mordred is freaking awesome, and I won't mind not adding her as a potential love interest. (Neither would I mind if we do.) She's good fun, and has a tragic past, and is a complex being. And I can't wait for the clusterfuck that's going to happen once Erien develops her in this story.

Good chapter, looking forward to more!
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Glad you are enjoying yourself!
 
2.25 - Gift Giver
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    You stare at the ring, it is a small, plain thing. Undecorated besides a single solitary gemstone of blue, the same shade of blue as your eyes. You turn the thing over in your hands. You had an eye for jewelry, you had an eye for all the fine things in life. But despite the plainess… it was beautiful. It caught every light in the room as you studied it, the gold flawless, without mark or sign of a jeweler's tool, and the gem was perfectly cut and seemed to go on forever, so intricately was its craftsmanship.

    But you weren't one to accept such a gift lightly, you were a Magus, and nothing came without equal cost. Though you did certainly deserve to have it. You glanced back up at the servant, how Marisbury, that fool, had managed to summon such a being you have no idea. You frankly don't even know where he got the mana, but he did, and had hardly stepped out of his workshop ever since, instead relying on his servant to speak for him.

    It had rapidly become welcome, due to its kindness if nothing else, but this was different. It had approached you, and offered you a… gift. This was not unusual, but that he had hardly spoken to you before was. You had plenty of suitors of course, you were one of the greatest magus of your generation after all. Your eyes glanced down at the ring again, your eyes getting lost in the gold.

    "What… is the meaning behind this gift? Surely you are not asking me to marry you?"

    The servant, Oberon, smiled. His blonde hair, a far paler shade than your own, shimmering in the evening light. You stared into his eyes, only catching what he was saying a moment later. "-was a gift. There is no higher meaning behind it," he says. His voice comes back into focus as you force yourself to listen. Oberon smiles, a brilliant but simple smile. One speaking of wisdom and kindness.

    Of course he was wise to bring such a gift to you. But… "Everything has meaning," you reply. "This is… beautiful, the finest craftsmen in London could not make such a thing if they had a year's time. Why do you give it to me?"

    Oberon doesn't shrug, or even move much at all. For some reason you think such an action is beneath a creature as perfect as he is. "I create things, it is in my nature, and this ring was the right one for you. I do not make such things with a specific person in mind, I merely find who they belong to. And this is yours." He says, smiling a touch wider.

    It… is the right one for you, and you do deserve gifts. You smile back at the man. "Well, I thank you. The house of El-Melloi is grateful to receive this gift." Then you slip the ring onto your finger.

    It fits perfectly.
     
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    • So can we save Reines El-Melloi Archisorte from becoming a Ringwraith? Or will her big brother do so instead?
     
    Erien said:
    I'm sorry it wasn't good before!
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    I mean in regard to the none shirou elements. Their was lots of good, but it was mostly around shirou. Like, we haven't gotten any Gil talks down to Kirei yet. I like what you've wrote plenty, it's just all about shirou or something. It's like he's supposed to be the hero of the story, instead of you know, Rin, El Mellio, Sasaki Kojiro. People who are heroic, instead of, well, Shirou Emiya.

    Like your scenes with Circe are great, and smug Ayako was to die for.
     
    Randino Treviani said:
    I mean in regard to the none shirou elements. Their was lots of good, but it was mostly around shirou. Like, we haven't gotten any Gil talks down to Kirei yet. I like what you've wrote plenty, it's just all about shirou or something. It's like he's supposed to be the hero of the story, instead of you know, Rin, El Mellio, Sasaki Kojiro. People who are heroic, instead of, well, Shirou Emiya.

    Like your scenes with Circe are great, and smug Ayako was to die for.
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    ... he's the protagonist?

    Of course it's all about Shirou. He's the PoV character and Fate is his story.
     
    Erien said:
    ... he's the protagonist?

    Of course it's all about Shirou. He's the PoV character and Fate is his story.
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    Oh! I see. "Shirou" is the "protagonist". Thats like, a fact. Cool beans.

    But anyway, your writing some great stuff in general, but in terms of things outside the central daily shirou part, their were lots of somewhat interesting bits, but initially I wasn't all that invested in annatar(am I spelling this right?) but now things are really heating up in regards to that little situation, which is interesting. Like in retrospect I've never read fanfiction with a crossover sauron corruption through rings.
     
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    Erien said:
    ... he's the protagonist?

    Of course it's all about Shirou. He's the PoV character and Fate is his story.
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    The fuck? Is this like a thing with this quest?

    Because in the original Fate/Stay Night Shirou was the POV character and Rival to the actual protagonist: Angra Mainyu.

    I'm not joking, by the rules of Japanese writing the Protagonist of Fate/Stay Night, Fate/hollow atraxia and Fate/Zero is Angra Mainyu while Shirou, Bazett and Kiritsugu are the Rival characters for each of the entries.
     
    Randino Treviani said:
    Oh! I see. "SHIROU" is the "PROTAGONIST". Thats like, a fact. Cool beans.
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    That seems hostile?
    Dmol8 said:
    The fuck? Is this like a thing with this quest?

    Because in the original Fate/Stay Night Shirou was the POV character and Rival to the actual protagonist: Angra Mainyu.

    I'm not joking, by the rules of Japanese writing the Protagonist of Fate/Stay Night, Fate/hollow atraxia and Fate/Zero is Angra Mainyu while Shirou, Bazett and Kiritsugu are the Rival characters for each of the entries.
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    Shirou is the POV character across the entirety of Fate/Stay Night, barring some side scenes and the prologue.

    That remains true of this story.

    You are controlling Shirou, the story is from his perspective.

    He is the protagonist.
     
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    Dmol8 said:
    The fuck? Is this like a thing with this quest?

    Because in the original Fate/Stay Night Shirou was the POV character and Rival to the actual protagonist: Angra Mainyu.

    I'm not joking, by the rules of Japanese writing the Protagonist of Fate/Stay Night, Fate/hollow atraxia and Fate/Zero is Angra Mainyu while Shirou, Bazett and Kiritsugu are the Rival characters for each of the entries.
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    I... what? What are you even talking about here? Angra Mainyu isn't even a CHARACTER in Fate/Stay Night, much less a protagonist.

    The Point of View character, especially if it's consistent, IS the protagonist.

    I get that you've got some really weird head-canon going on with the Fate universe, but I'm not sure how you're managing to deny that the main character is the main character.
     
    Dmol8 said:
    Because in the original Fate/Stay Night Shirou was the POV character and Rival to the actual protagonist: Angra Mainyu.
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    I'm impressed Mainyu could be the main character in a story he didn't even show up in.

    Regardless - Shirou is the protagonist here, obviously. And, obviously, we aren't following any sort of rules given Sauron is in play so maybe relax and enjoy the Clusterfuck.
     
    Erien said:
    He is the protagonist.
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    Glernaj said:
    I... what? What are you even talking about here? Angra Mainyu isn't even a CHARACTER in Fate/Stay Night, much less a protagonist.

    The Point of View character, especially if it's consistent, IS the protagonist.

    I get that you've got some really weird head-canon going on with the Fate universe, but I'm not sure how you're managing to deny that the main character is the main character.
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    Because in Japanese media the POV character isn't the same as a Protagonist. The POV character is one the audience uses to observe the story trough, while the Protagonist is the character that shapes the narrative.

    In Madoka, the first series, the POV character is Madoka while the Protagonist is Homura.

    Likewise in Fate/Stay Night Shirou is the POV character and also a Rival character, a character that is the obstacle the Protagonist has to overcome to continue to shape the narrative, while the Protagonist is the Grail itself, clarified in latter works to be Angra Mainyu corrupting/dwelling in the Grail.

    Dragontrapper said:
    I'm impressed Mainyu could be the main character in a story he didn't even show up in.

    Regardless - Shirou is the protagonist here, obviously. And, obviously, we aren't following any sort of rules given Sauron is in play so maybe relax and enjoy the Clusterfuck.
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    We don't know what or who the cause of the Clusterfuck is. Until that gets clarified we have no idea who the Protagonist is or what's Shirou's relation to them.

    So yes we are playing Shirou and he is our protagonist, but in case you missed it so far Shirou isn't a Protagonist. He isn't shaping the world around him to his actions, he's just reacting to it.
     
    Dmol8 said:
    Likewise in Fate/Stay Night Shirou is the POV character and also a Rival character, a character that is the obstacle the Protagonist has to overcome to continue to shape the narrative, while the Protagonist is the Grail itself, clarified in latter works to be Angra Mainyu corrupting/dwelling in the Grail.
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    This completely disregards Shirou's action in the Grail War for... no reason. He goes in with a clear objective, acts to try and fulfill those objectives, and through those actions changes and often derails the plans of other. The grail doesn't act AT ALL in F/SN - not with any sort of real volition. some of the Antagonist forces use its power (Dark Sakura, etc) but they are operating on their OWN drives, not the Grails.

    The 'Protagonist' not being the POV character is not purely a Japanese thing, nor does EVERY Japanese narrative have to operate under such a rule. To assert anything otherwise is ridiculous.
     
    Randino Treviani said:
    Really? In my head it sounded more like someone grasping a complex problem? Maybe it's the Caps. Shouldn't have used the Caps. I'll go fix that.

    But yeah, not hostile, just a huge revelation. Like learning the sky is blue because of sunlight refracting through water particles.

    Also, sorry for the delay, lost internet for a little bit.
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    I'm curious how it could be a revelation?

    He is the protagonist of every adaptation of Fate/Stay Night, and of Fate/Hollow Ataraxia, and he always has been. What role did you think he played?

    Dragontrapper said:
    This completely disregards Shirou's action in the Grail War for... no reason. He goes in with a clear objective, acts to try and fulfill those objectives, and through those actions changes and often derails the plans of other. The grail doesn't act AT ALL in F/SN - not with any sort of real volition. some of the Antagonist forces use its power (Dark Sakura, etc) but they are operating on their OWN drives, not the Grails.

    The 'Protagonist' not being the POV character is not purely a Japanese thing, nor does EVERY Japanese narrative have to operate under such a rule. To assert anything otherwise is ridiculous.
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    Additionally, Shirou is explicitly the driving force of the story, it is his decisions that decide the route, his decisions that decide the outcome, his decisions that decide the STORY. Angra Mainyu/the Grail is an obstacle that Shirou overcomes, not a character, not a decision maker, definitely not a protagonist.

    Edit -- This really isn't the place to be discussing story structure of the original Fate/Stay Night, that seems more appropriate for Type Moon General

    We should just acknowledge that yes, Shirou is the protagonist of this story, and move along with things actually relevant to this story.
     
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