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1/5 of Tzeentch Is more than I expected from him, honestly.
Hopefully it's also more than Tzeentch can afford to direct our way.
We should ask the earth if it knows of cultists maybe, at least before the invasion.
Distant Stars. (a WH40K/Xianxia civ Quest).
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Hopefully it's also more than Tzeentch can afford to direct our way.
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Fully expect some infiltrators, wouldn't be surprised if some of our half steps fell to them, or some second steps who fear tribulation, I am guessing we would notice a fake tribulation or one of tempering, so if any fell, it was probably after the first tribulation, otherwise we would notice.
Likewise, I fully expect that there are some demonic cultivators who are currently hiding and biding their time, or mortal spies who try to get into positions where they can destabilize us.
So we got area 51, lol.
That I think is purely experience, Tzeench probably got more demons and more divine qi to draw on.
Maybe this tyrant god is the unborn fifth chaos god of tyrant, or a candidate, I don't know where the rumors started, but a lot of people seem convinced the emperor is becoming that.
Keep in mind that domains make a big part of a gods power and Tzeentch both has more of them and they are generally more developed (at 100 attention that divination domain would give him 50,000 points to spread over his rolls).
Plus, how many demons/deva and greater deamons/deva and tha rank above that, that you have.
He isn't actually a tyrant (or well he doesn't have a domain of tyranny) it's just a local manifestation of him that was portrayed as such.
He has three domains [redacted], [redacted] and [redacted].
Do the nature of godhood action to find out more.
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Shouldn't 100% attention be impossible for a chaos god?
Oh also I'm curious what rank do you guys think we can do cosmic stuff? Like absorb a sun for cultivation resources, move our planet with our cultivation, destroy entire fleets with our mind? All things im fairly sure the emperor could do considering there are reports he can freeze time across a solar system just he wouldn't want to since most of those things aren't very directly useful.
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It's functionally impossible because... Just imagine what the OTHER chaos gods (or all their other enemies, really!)would do in the face of such an opening!
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[X] Plan scrying to apocalypse, healing and selling cultivation
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Not really just that, Tzeench is in particular probably incapable of paying full attention to stuff, because he must plan against himself as well.
But if the four gods are united as they were against the emperor, them being able to pay much more attention than normal probably isn't unusual
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I mean even working together in the case of the primaries seems like they were backstabbing each other while doing it and employing bullshit. Because the destinations of the primaries was certainly not ideal in all cases for them.
Seeing as there are no other plan I think I'm safe enough to close the vote.
Now to our first order of business.
Combining your insights.
As a reminder, to be eligible to advance to nascent soul you must have at least one insight from every pillar combined into a single core insight.
For the sake of the above core insights count as insights from all of the pillars that constructed it.
Divine insights aren't eligible to being combined.
You may combine as many insights at once as you want, in general combining more will result in a stronger core insights (I say generally because throwing insights that don't fit in very well can lower the power gained) and it always increases the chance of failure.
Then chance of failure is determined both by how high your core harmony is but also by who fitting the various insights are and how well they go together.
We'll be having a 4 hours moratorium to allow people to ask questions and post their insights combination ideas.
A little advice, craft a narrative to the insights, take what they represent and combine it to a whole, even a bad explanation or narrative for such will confer better successes chances then just picking a few insights to combine with no explanation.
Another thing, you don't have to be the player who raised up a possible combinations to do the above, more then a single narrative can be used (and it wont hurt your chances, might even rise them) and I'm going to be reading the thread when the vote is done to see all of the various explanation.
Now to our first order of business.
Combining your insights.
As a reminder, to be eligible to advance to nascent soul you must have at least one insight from every pillar combined into a single core insight.
For the sake of the above core insights count as insights from all of the pillars that constructed it.
Divine insights aren't eligible to being combined.
You may combine as many insights at once as you want, in general combining more will result in a stronger core insights (I say generally because throwing insights that don't fit in very well can lower the power gained) and it always increases the chance of failure.
Then chance of failure is determined both by how high your core harmony is but also by who fitting the various insights are and how well they go together.
We'll be having a 4 hours moratorium to allow people to ask questions and post their insights combination ideas.
A little advice, craft a narrative to the insights, take what they represent and combine it to a whole, even a bad explanation or narrative for such will confer better successes chances then just picking a few insights to combine with no explanation.
Another thing, you don't have to be the player who raised up a possible combinations to do the above, more then a single narrative can be used (and it wont hurt your chances, might even rise them) and I'm going to be reading the thread when the vote is done to see all of the various explanation.
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My own pick for a combination is that
[] knowledge is power insight
-[] "Water is ever flowing, it may be diverted or even stopped for a time but it always flows forward in the end '' mental resilience is increased, effect decreasing mental resilience are easier to defeat and last less time (both those cast on you and cast by you).
-[] "Clear water is a reflection, a reflection of you and of the world and you may find greater insight form it, yet you may not always like what you find" you may now choose 2 insight out of 4 instead of 1 out of 3 but every insight action carries with it a small chance of creating a minor heart demon.
-[] "The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.
-[] "The earth sees all and hears it all, and if you listen attentivity it may share its wisdom with you" you may attempt to listen to the earth and have it revel to you pieces of information it knows that are relevant to you (a few example's would be pinpointing where an army is, accertain type of tree, finding something buried and eventualy conversition's)
The concept behind the insight is thus, advancement through knowledge.
Three of the insights include blurbs about listening to nature to gain different abilities.
One look at your reflection (in the warp I am guessing, as the sea of souls), and in return has allowed us to gain more insights per attempt, it allows you to contemplate the knowledge to make more of it, allowing Shitaku to advance further for lower effort, to gain more.
The second is of the earth, similar to our divination talent, it gives us a supernatural sense, we can listen to the earth and in return it gives us information, the information doesn't directly empower us as water, but could potentially allow us to make more informed actions through listening to the world, guiding our efforts more easily.
The third is of the sky, the knowledge the sky grant us is less of the intellectual kind, but of the emotional, it gives us hope and inspiration, while at the same time countering the dark impulses that we risk by delving into our reflection.
In a similar way, so does the final water, symbolising the progress we take in our quest for knowledge and insight, the path forward, that it can be slowed or diverted for a time, say by having a heart demon, or by not having the time to truly explore our earth hearing, but those things are temporarily, and the path fowards, enriching ourselves on knowledge, power and hope can not be diverted.
This insight is less of the physical kind but of the mental ones, I am picking those choices hoping for multiple results, to empower our divination as am information gathering ability, and to serve as amp for our future insights just like the water insight did.
In my plan for future insight, you could say this insight is the first step, the step of learning, the next insight would be the step of comprehension, using our life and death dao insights, the third insight would be an insight of teaching, empowering the Keku with our knowledge and power, and the final one combining them all, in a concept similar to our core concept.
[] knowledge is power insight
-[] "Water is ever flowing, it may be diverted or even stopped for a time but it always flows forward in the end '' mental resilience is increased, effect decreasing mental resilience are easier to defeat and last less time (both those cast on you and cast by you).
-[] "Clear water is a reflection, a reflection of you and of the world and you may find greater insight form it, yet you may not always like what you find" you may now choose 2 insight out of 4 instead of 1 out of 3 but every insight action carries with it a small chance of creating a minor heart demon.
-[] "The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.
-[] "The earth sees all and hears it all, and if you listen attentivity it may share its wisdom with you" you may attempt to listen to the earth and have it revel to you pieces of information it knows that are relevant to you (a few example's would be pinpointing where an army is, accertain type of tree, finding something buried and eventualy conversition's)
The concept behind the insight is thus, advancement through knowledge.
Three of the insights include blurbs about listening to nature to gain different abilities.
One look at your reflection (in the warp I am guessing, as the sea of souls), and in return has allowed us to gain more insights per attempt, it allows you to contemplate the knowledge to make more of it, allowing Shitaku to advance further for lower effort, to gain more.
The second is of the earth, similar to our divination talent, it gives us a supernatural sense, we can listen to the earth and in return it gives us information, the information doesn't directly empower us as water, but could potentially allow us to make more informed actions through listening to the world, guiding our efforts more easily.
The third is of the sky, the knowledge the sky grant us is less of the intellectual kind, but of the emotional, it gives us hope and inspiration, while at the same time countering the dark impulses that we risk by delving into our reflection.
In a similar way, so does the final water, symbolising the progress we take in our quest for knowledge and insight, the path forward, that it can be slowed or diverted for a time, say by having a heart demon, or by not having the time to truly explore our earth hearing, but those things are temporarily, and the path fowards, enriching ourselves on knowledge, power and hope can not be diverted.
This insight is less of the physical kind but of the mental ones, I am picking those choices hoping for multiple results, to empower our divination as am information gathering ability, and to serve as amp for our future insights just like the water insight did.
In my plan for future insight, you could say this insight is the first step, the step of learning, the next insight would be the step of comprehension, using our life and death dao insights, the third insight would be an insight of teaching, empowering the Keku with our knowledge and power, and the final one combining them all, in a concept similar to our core concept.
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So any chances the further in cultivation we get the easier to get dao fragments or even higher ranked portions than mere fragments? Because if not it's basically straight up impossible to get actual daos later.
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The find life action got more expensive after we ascended, I guess we would see if it because it gives more now, or not.
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Yeah my concern is basically if they don't get easier as we get smarter and more in tune with cultivation getting anything beyond the stage after dao fragments is borderline impossible. Let's not even talk about entire daos or the complete dao.
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If they don't get easier, I can kind of understand, contemplating the dao takes time, and considering the timespan Warhammer operate on, us starting late doesn't mean it should be fast.
But if it gets harder, than I agree, would quickly grow impossible.
I am not sure if find life is permanent though, or if it will exist only until life matched death.
It got harder because it becomes harder to just meditate and get Dao, in general Dao isn't meant to be gotten but pure cultivation but by strokes of insights and understanding (like what happened with that place of power).
The increased difficulty is only for finding life fragments other types of Dao would be easier (you'll unlock a way to meditate for other fragments when you fix the imbalance in your current Dao).
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Ehh if time skips don't get larger we won't get beyond what comes after dao fragments period. Also it makes total sense if it becomes easier for higher levels of dao comprehension seeing as later stage cultivators have more senses and are literally smarter by greater and greater magnitudes. Also we are late in the timeline the galaxy is going to get worse and worse and worse.
Really love that insight combo idea. Sky, earth, water, and knowledge. The first are a nice foundation, the source of knowledge, while knowledge itself basically represents shikatu, the teacher himself. Also narratively appropriate, maybe this is why he went crazy and spent all the royal divine coffers on tech 
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It can work.
I'm without a pc for a few days and sleepy, soni don't want to write long arguments and combos right now, but I'll quote something I wrote about a potential knowledge insight when we first were introduced to the concept.
Maybe something from it can help with the one Roth proposed
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I personally kind of hoped to have the life and death dao insights separately, separating gaining knowledge from having knowledge.
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Dao of Life Insight, Die to learn Dao of Death insight, and Fire of Rebirth insight could be a good Rebirth leads to knowledge of life and death combo.
Or even more simple, Earth Feeds Life plus Dao of Life. Leads to a life is nurtured combo.
Fire is can not be controlled but can be used and Water Flows insights. Leads to a more general the world/nature is what it is and we work with it combo.
I think starting out with a two or three combo for our first combination is a less risky attempt that more insights that are more of a reach... For our first one, it should be almost self evident.
Or even more simple, Earth Feeds Life plus Dao of Life. Leads to a life is nurtured combo.
Fire is can not be controlled but can be used and Water Flows insights. Leads to a more general the world/nature is what it is and we work with it combo.
I think starting out with a two or three combo for our first combination is a less risky attempt that more insights that are more of a reach... For our first one, it should be almost self evident.
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[X] knowledge is power insight
-[X] "Water is ever flowing, it may be diverted or even stopped for a time but it always flows forward in the end '' mental resilience is increased, effect decreasing mental resilience are easier to defeat and last less time (both those cast on you and cast by you).
-[X] "Clear water is a reflection, a reflection of you and of the world and you may find greater insight form it, yet you may not always like what you find" you may now choose 2 insight out of 4 instead of 1 out of 3 but every insight action carries with it a small chance of creating a minor heart demon.
-[X] "The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.
-[X] "The earth sees all and hears it all, and if you listen attentivity it may share its wisdom with you" you may attempt to listen to the earth and have it revel to you pieces of information it knows that are relevant to you (a few example's would be pinpointing where an army is, accertain type of tree, finding something buried and eventualy conversition's)
I think keeping our death insight (and thus life insight) for a powerful insight with more insights is the best, we would likely succeed in the insight you suggested, but we could make an even bigger one and more powerful one later on.
I also think first insight should have our water insight, in case that would influence the resulting insight into giving us a cultivation amp, that insight served us extremely well in foundation, having a core version would be amazing.
-[X] "Water is ever flowing, it may be diverted or even stopped for a time but it always flows forward in the end '' mental resilience is increased, effect decreasing mental resilience are easier to defeat and last less time (both those cast on you and cast by you).
-[X] "Clear water is a reflection, a reflection of you and of the world and you may find greater insight form it, yet you may not always like what you find" you may now choose 2 insight out of 4 instead of 1 out of 3 but every insight action carries with it a small chance of creating a minor heart demon.
-[X] "The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.
-[X] "The earth sees all and hears it all, and if you listen attentivity it may share its wisdom with you" you may attempt to listen to the earth and have it revel to you pieces of information it knows that are relevant to you (a few example's would be pinpointing where an army is, accertain type of tree, finding something buried and eventualy conversition's)
I think two or three is too little, but I also agree we shouldn't go too crazy, but we also shouldn't be too tame when it is relatively cheap as it is now.
I think keeping our death insight (and thus life insight) for a powerful insight with more insights is the best, we would likely succeed in the insight you suggested, but we could make an even bigger one and more powerful one later on.
I also think first insight should have our water insight, in case that would influence the resulting insight into giving us a cultivation amp, that insight served us extremely well in foundation, having a core version would be amazing.
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Ok, let's see...
First of all, a reminder of the basics
1) the more insights we combine, the harder it gets
2)the more suitable to the combo the insights are, the better our odds of success
3) the better narrative we craft for the core insight and how it works, the better our odds
4)posting more alternative narratives can only help.
Here's a list of all suitable insights, after removing KEKU and divine ones.
Mh... I had an idea. Probably better for the next insight AFTER we purify the KEKU pillar though
GUIDING A CIVILIZATION
"Fire is rebirth, it spreads and destroys sparing nothing its wrath but, in its wake, new growth is found" grants a minor regeneration factor.
"You have known of the cycle of creation and destruction, felt it in your flesh and in your Dao, this knowledge can be used to help your body heal for as the flame consumes so dos it single new life" gain a medium regeneration factor (which replaces the one from your previous insight).
"The flame, it is ancient wisdom that fire cannot be controlled, yet it is wrong for dos not the smith control the flame when he fashions a blade, civilization has long learned how to do what wisdom dictated cannot be, learn from them and assume control of your flames" increased control of all fire mundane or supernatural.
"The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.
"Life is a preciouses thing indeed but it is also a fragile thing and must be guarded carefully" healing techniques are considered a step higher.
"teacher to student, there is a heavy bond in this relationship, a bond that passes through generations, for what is a teacher student's if not students to that teacher, teacher? "Gain a connection to all of your students and their students and their students and so forth to the ninth generation, this connection allows you to ascertain their status at time (general level of health and general location) and may allow more with further experimentation.
"This path that you have forged, this power you have taken, is no longer just your own your species follows you into ascension and in time they will overcome you but this is your path align it more with your specie rather than yourself and see them take flight" the average Keku talent is increased by half a grade.
Civilizations grow with time. The cycle of creation and destruction that happens uncountable times inside the lifes of people and countries is what we define as change.
Like fire, life and civilization Ka born, spreads and flourishes, but if not properly tended and guarded, risks leading to its own end. And thus Shikatu comes in.
Shikatu loves his Keku, he believes in their potential. He knows they can do great things, and in fact he saw it multiple times in his life.
He also knows that the Key can fail, that they might not see the big picture. That they need a guiding hand to better reach their potential. That's his role, to be the first and the best among his people, so that others might reach their full potential.
Shikatu is not perfect. He's not the best at everything. He created cultivation, but it wasn't he that discovered the steam and combustion engines, or that invented Feng Shui or the various pill recipes and runic arrays. But those discoveries were only made because Shikatu gave the creators the opportunity to develop their potential.
By the destruction of the old world order, burnt to the ground, by the proper tending of the flame we call the Keku civilization, the keku have healed.
They've grown strong.
The old was used as fuel to grow the new, and with hope in their heart they aim at a sky full of hope.
Keku lifes are precious. Shikatu is leader, emperor, father, teacher to his people. He tends to them, he directs them, he gives them the opportunity to reach their full potential, stopping those unruly fires that would burn too much, allowing for continuous prosperity.
To be more blunt and synthetic: the fire insights represent how the keku changed, from the pre-Shikatu past to the current empire. How he took control of them like a smith controls a flame, and in doing so allowed them to reach their full potential. How he destroyed what had to be destroyed (the old world order) so that new and more wonderful things might be born of it. It was controlled destruction, in other words.
The sky is the hope for the future, the goal. We destroyed and created, and in doing so aim for a better future. Isn't that also what Kuvara represents?
We gave up the winds for the sky, and in doing we gained a daughter, the winds (which now belong not to just us but to the Keku as a whole through Kuvara!) and the Sky as well!
Life and, if we wait until the pillar is purified, keku, indicate what we're doing this for: for the good of the lifes of all the keku under our protection. These lifes are precious and worth protecting, and their the ultimate goal and metric by which our success is judged.
If the Keku prosper, we've done our job.
The teacher insight represents one of, and maybe the most important role of Shikatu: as the emperor he leads the Keku, giving them a chance to develop their potential, to go beyond what they were in the past while safeguarding them from total destruction, acting as their railguards.
He is, from another point of view, a stern teacher that will share his knowledge with his students, warning them of the dangers ahead, and trying to prevent them from committing the most dangerous mistakes while also allowing them to progress and move forward.
The power I think such a core insight would grant would be a power connected to his position as emperor, teacher, tender of the flames of Keku civilization in their quests for the hope represented by the distant sky.
More bluntly, a power that makes us supernaturally good at guiding and teaching our people.
So, any opinions on the above? Uri, Roth?
I could have added the flight and other teaching insights, but I don't think they fit quite as neatly (flying towards the sky? Teaching with few words, or even better by example?), and I was already at 6 insights, 7 if we add the Keku insight (which would be my proposal IF we wait until after purifying the pillars to pursue this idea I had, which I really like. )
I think I did a good job with it.
First of all, a reminder of the basics
1) the more insights we combine, the harder it gets
2)the more suitable to the combo the insights are, the better our odds of success
3) the better narrative we craft for the core insight and how it works, the better our odds
4)posting more alternative narratives can only help.
Here's a list of all suitable insights, after removing KEKU and divine ones.
Mh... I had an idea. Probably better for the next insight AFTER we purify the KEKU pillar though
GUIDING A CIVILIZATION
"Fire is rebirth, it spreads and destroys sparing nothing its wrath but, in its wake, new growth is found" grants a minor regeneration factor.
"You have known of the cycle of creation and destruction, felt it in your flesh and in your Dao, this knowledge can be used to help your body heal for as the flame consumes so dos it single new life" gain a medium regeneration factor (which replaces the one from your previous insight).
"The flame, it is ancient wisdom that fire cannot be controlled, yet it is wrong for dos not the smith control the flame when he fashions a blade, civilization has long learned how to do what wisdom dictated cannot be, learn from them and assume control of your flames" increased control of all fire mundane or supernatural.
"The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.
"Life is a preciouses thing indeed but it is also a fragile thing and must be guarded carefully" healing techniques are considered a step higher.
"teacher to student, there is a heavy bond in this relationship, a bond that passes through generations, for what is a teacher student's if not students to that teacher, teacher? "Gain a connection to all of your students and their students and their students and so forth to the ninth generation, this connection allows you to ascertain their status at time (general level of health and general location) and may allow more with further experimentation.
Civilizations grow with time. The cycle of creation and destruction that happens uncountable times inside the lifes of people and countries is what we define as change.
Like fire, life and civilization Ka born, spreads and flourishes, but if not properly tended and guarded, risks leading to its own end. And thus Shikatu comes in.
Shikatu loves his Keku, he believes in their potential. He knows they can do great things, and in fact he saw it multiple times in his life.
He also knows that the Key can fail, that they might not see the big picture. That they need a guiding hand to better reach their potential. That's his role, to be the first and the best among his people, so that others might reach their full potential.
Shikatu is not perfect. He's not the best at everything. He created cultivation, but it wasn't he that discovered the steam and combustion engines, or that invented Feng Shui or the various pill recipes and runic arrays. But those discoveries were only made because Shikatu gave the creators the opportunity to develop their potential.
By the destruction of the old world order, burnt to the ground, by the proper tending of the flame we call the Keku civilization, the keku have healed.
They've grown strong.
The old was used as fuel to grow the new, and with hope in their heart they aim at a sky full of hope.
Keku lifes are precious. Shikatu is leader, emperor, father, teacher to his people. He tends to them, he directs them, he gives them the opportunity to reach their full potential, stopping those unruly fires that would burn too much, allowing for continuous prosperity.
To be more blunt and synthetic: the fire insights represent how the keku changed, from the pre-Shikatu past to the current empire. How he took control of them like a smith controls a flame, and in doing so allowed them to reach their full potential. How he destroyed what had to be destroyed (the old world order) so that new and more wonderful things might be born of it. It was controlled destruction, in other words.
The sky is the hope for the future, the goal. We destroyed and created, and in doing so aim for a better future. Isn't that also what Kuvara represents?
We gave up the winds for the sky, and in doing we gained a daughter, the winds (which now belong not to just us but to the Keku as a whole through Kuvara!) and the Sky as well!
Life and, if we wait until the pillar is purified, keku, indicate what we're doing this for: for the good of the lifes of all the keku under our protection. These lifes are precious and worth protecting, and their the ultimate goal and metric by which our success is judged.
If the Keku prosper, we've done our job.
The teacher insight represents one of, and maybe the most important role of Shikatu: as the emperor he leads the Keku, giving them a chance to develop their potential, to go beyond what they were in the past while safeguarding them from total destruction, acting as their railguards.
He is, from another point of view, a stern teacher that will share his knowledge with his students, warning them of the dangers ahead, and trying to prevent them from committing the most dangerous mistakes while also allowing them to progress and move forward.
The power I think such a core insight would grant would be a power connected to his position as emperor, teacher, tender of the flames of Keku civilization in their quests for the hope represented by the distant sky.
More bluntly, a power that makes us supernaturally good at guiding and teaching our people.
So, any opinions on the above? Uri, Roth?
I could have added the flight and other teaching insights, but I don't think they fit quite as neatly (flying towards the sky? Teaching with few words, or even better by example?), and I was already at 6 insights, 7 if we add the Keku insight (which would be my proposal IF we wait until after purifying the pillars to pursue this idea I had, which I really like. )
I think I did a good job with it.
It's pretty good, pretty much what I was hoping for in the narrative crafting department.
I'm not going to comment on potential powers form it of course but with 7 insights it should be pretty good.
It also combines 5 different pillars which should let you see how some people might be able to speed run this step.