I do wonder if Drexel did this on purpose, set this off straight after the even with Sparks to make people think like this. I mean fair play if you did Drexel but ultimately if resist pain wins then you have to move a major plot line even further back.
I seriously doubt he did, people are just shadowrunning hard and thinking that there's obviously a repeat for some reason, even though his and Spark's situations are completely different.
 
So even more stat speculation for Verge's potential Ultimates this time for Mistymon.

Strength: 5250.00->5262.75
Fortitude: 4706.50->4725.00->4751.75 (First Soft Cap Hit)
Endurance: 4732.50->4744.00
Agility: 3953.75->3964.50
Special: 4385.00->4395.50
Spirit: 3848.00->3852.25
For Mistymon I hazard a guess that his stat distribution is similar to Gladimon or Leomon's evenly spread out to every stat, but with the caveat of having higher Special and Spirit due to being a magic wielding digimon.

With that in mind Mistymon's stat multipliers are probably
  • Strength: 3.5
  • Fortitude: 3.5
  • Endurance: 3.5
  • Agility: 3.5
  • Special: 4
  • Spirit: 4
If the multipliers I hypothesized are accurate that would mean Mistymon Verge's stats are
  • Strength: 18,419.625
  • Fortitude: 16,631.125
  • Endurance: 16,604
  • Agility: 13,875.75
  • Special: 17,582
  • Spirit: 15,409
This of course not accounting for the bonus points that will increase our stats upon evolution, but again I might be wrong on the multipliers because this is all just based on speculation.

On a second review the stats multiplier might be lower
  • Strength: 3
  • Fortitude: 3
  • Endurance: 3
  • Agility: 3
  • Special: 3.5
  • Spirit: 3.5
In which case the stats would be
  • Strength: 15,788.25
  • Fortitude: 14,255.25
  • Endurance: 14,232
  • Agility: 11,893.50
  • Special: 15,384.25
  • Spirit: 13,438.82
 
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So even more stat speculation for Verge's potential Ultimates this time for Mistymon.


For Mistymon I hazard a guess that his stat distribution is similar to Gladimon or Leomon's evenly spread out to every stat, but with the caveat of having higher Special and Spirit due to being a magic wielding digimon.

With that in mind Mistymon's stat multipliers are probably
  • Strength: 3.5
  • Fortitude: 3.5
  • Endurance: 3.5
  • Agility: 3.5
  • Special: 4
  • Spirit: 4
If the multipliers I hypothesized are accurate that would mean Mistymon Verge's stats are
  • Strength: 18,419.625
  • Fortitude: 16,631.125
  • Endurance: 16,604
  • Agility: 13,875.75
  • Special: 17,582
  • Spirit: 15,409
This of course not accounting for the bonus points that will increase our stats upon evolution, but again I might be wrong on the multipliers because this is all just based on speculation.
I feel as if those modifiers are way too much. I keep using Pit as a template in my mind and if his boost was such a mythical one I can not see a reason why Verg would get an even bigger one then he did when you considering who they are.
 
I feel as if those modifiers are way too much. I keep using Pit as a template in my mind and if his boost was such a mythical one I can not see a reason why Verg would get an even bigger one then he did when you considering who they are.
Actually overall those multipliers are on average all still lower than Pits excepting that both have 2 4X's and Pit has 3.25X which is lower than the 3.5 standard he had (Something I don't think we'd get with a Mistymon they actually seem pretty weak overall as Ultimates are concerned and is another point against them besides my general dislike) while the rest are all higher, it's just that Verge's base stats are so high that he can make up the difference.

To put it in perspective we actually outclass his end of Champion form in pretty much all of our stats... by more than 1000 in some of our strongest areas. The host theorized that this big boi is a weapon for very good reason even if he ends up weaker than fresh Ultimate Pit in places due to lower multipliers.
 
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I feel as if those modifiers are way too much. I keep using Pit as a template in my mind and if his boost was such a mythical one I can not see a reason why Verg would get an even bigger one then he did when you considering who they are.
That's not exactly true.

These are our Squad's stats when they evolved.
Beat:

Stingmon (Black)
Strength: 2038
Fortitude: 2066
Endurance: 1670
Agility: 2375
Special: 1306
Spirit: 1306

JewelBeemon (Black/Onyx)
Strength: 6700
Fortitude: 6800
Endurance: 5500
Agility: 7800
Special: 4000
Spirit: 4000
Which meant Beat has a multiplier of
  • Strength: 3.3
  • Fortitude: 3.3
  • Endurance: 3.3
  • Agility: 3.3
  • Special: 3.1
  • Spirit: 3.1
Sparks:

Strength: 2750
Fortitude: 3125
Endurance: 2131
Agility: 3225
Special: 4585
Spirit: 5140
Wisemon Sparks:
Strength: 5800
Fortitude: 8000
Endurance: 4100
Agility: 8500
Special: 12,500
Spirit: 14,700
Which meant he has an evolutionary modifier of
  • Strength: 2.1
  • Fortitude: 2.6
  • Endurance: 2
  • Agility: 2.6
  • Special: 2.7
  • Spirit: 2.8
Well he did have his modifiers reduced by his armor evolution.
Pidmon:
Strength: 3882
Fortitude: 3078
Endurance: 2699
Agility: 3116
Special: 3795
Spirit: 3303

Asuramon:
Strength: 15,600
Fortitude: 11,000
Endurance: 9,500
Agility: 12,000
Special: 15,200
Spirit: 12,400
Pit's evolutionary modifiers are
  • Strength: 4
  • Fortitude: 3.6
  • Endurance: 3.5
  • Agility: 3.8
  • Special: 4
  • Spirit: 3.8
As you can see Pit has the biggest modifiers of the squad and has a bigger modifier overall than what I theorized Verge's GrapLeomon and Mistymon's higher modifiers and way bigger than their lower modifiers. It's not that we have bigger modifiers than Pit it's just that we have higher stats than him as a champion.
 
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[X] Embrace the memory.

I do agree that some of the arguments against this sound like shadowrunning. Either way, I want to know what this is about, and feel that insight is worth a certain risk. Knowledge is a powerful tool that Verge really ought to have more of, even if it is just knowledge pertaining to himself; who knows, maybe that Shurimon ends up being revealed as an ally through those memories. I do not think it will, but that feels a good bit more plausible than "suddenly Verge's past life highjacks him via a flashback".

Not to mention that, if we assume the Knightmon already in his head is his past life, the guy made no attempts to take over at any time; why should he now?
 
So GrapLeomon's ability to grow stronger the more emotional he feels, is now retconned to just only having his turbines spin faster the stronger his fighting spirit and will of Justice is.

Or we misread GrapLeomon's profile the first time, and he never really had the ability to grow stronger from his fighting spirit.
 
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So GrapLeomon's ability to grow stronger the more emotional he feels, is now retconned to just only having his turbines spin faster the stronger his fighting spirit and will of Justice is.

Or we misread GrapLeomon's profile the first time, and he never really had the ability to grow stronger from his fighting spirit.
I mean apparently most of its move are powered by said Turbines so it's an easy mistake to make.
 
Ah dammit, so HolyAngemon can't officially help us, huh? Well, we'll have to make do.

[x] Resist the pain.

I doubt this is actually going to be a bad thing, but I want to focus on getting Luna and Thresh out.
 
I doubt this is actually going to be a bad thing, but I want to focus on getting Luna and Thresh out.
Have you considered the possibility that maybe finding about our past won't interfere with our ability to get stronger?

Plus there might be goodies hidden in Vergil's memory that would allow us to gain more power.

Also we have been having these flashbacks since the prologue, this isn't a General Mercuremon situation, that one required a spirit, and that isn't applicable on this situation.
 
We've got freaking thirty-three votes here which is amazing. That's six past the old record.

However... this seems to be because of caballing, I.e people calling in people from out of quest to vote on their behalf. There's nothing I can do about that really, a vote is a vote after all and I'm not going to start restricting things.

But I can ask people to explain their reasons behind these votes instead of just driving by to fire it off. Probably won't work but eh, this is my due diligence regarding the situation.

But yeah! 33 votes! Woot! Thanks everyone! I didn't expect this decision point to get so much attention,
 
Honestly, I'm mostly on the fence with how to continue with this. I'm only going with resisting, because I feel that we have bigger issues to worry about in the direct future and I wouldn't want this to affect us in such a crucial moment.

I don't really think that the memory will really harm Verge significantly, but caution before a big event wins the day in my books.
 
Honestly, I'm mostly on the fence with how to continue with this. I'm only going with resisting, because I feel that we have bigger issues to worry about in the direct future and I wouldn't want this to affect us in such a crucial moment.

I don't really think that the memory will really harm Verge significantly, but caution before a big event wins the day in my books.
We still have days before the big event though?
 
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