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Digimon Inheritance: A Heroic Lion's Turbulent Times (Finished)

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Chronic said:
Dude, when an officer argues strenuously to take a mission with a particular squad, is rejected, then decides to take a vacation together with that particular squad on the same day as that mission AND requests money to hire mercenaries, you know what's up. They know we are planning to go anyways, they just don't care about us enough to stop us. This is pretty much proven since they did care enough to stop HolyAngemon and his request for merc funds. C'mon man, the Hosts military intelligence isn't completely incompetent.
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Have you seen any bureaucracy? Them missing this entirly of having denied those requests because they think we wouldn't pull something like this would the resources are both entirly possible.

More over you plan to talk to Pit involves getting Sparks who is also under tight watch, hoping that he'll be able to come up with a way to find Pit, than find a way to get into contact with him, might get our squad mates into trouble, risking what little backup we already do have on this, risking our ability to help Pit climb the host, betraying someone that's stuck their neck out on the line for us, and chancing outright deletion for the purpose of making contact. Its a bad idea and the GM himself has outright dismissed it, just let it be because all any of this going to do is end with all parties involved angry.
 
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undead frog said:
Have you seen any buerocracy? Them missing this entirly of having denied those requests because they think we wouldn't pull something like this would the resources are both entirly possible.

More over you plan to talk to Pit involves getting Sparks who is also under tight watch, hoping that he'll be able to come up with a way to find Pit, than find a way to get into contact with him, might get our squad mates into trouble, risking what little backup we already do have on this, risking our ability to help Pit climb the host, betraying someone that's stuck their neck out on the line for us, and chancing outright deletion for the purpose of making contact. Its a bad idea and the GM himself has outright dismissed it, just let it be because all any of this going to do is end with all parties involved angry.
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Fine, i'll drop it, though i do not agree with you. And I do need to add that if you are right and the Host really has no idea that we intend to go through with the mission anyways there is really no reason why they would keep us from talking to or at least sending a message to our friend.

Also i reserve the right to be smug if one of our group dies and Pit flips out completely when the message hits him out of the blue.
 
Chronic said:
Fine, i'll drop it, though i do not agree with you. And I do need to add that if you are right and the Host really has no idea that we intend to go through with the mission anyways there is really no reason why they would keep us from talking to or at least sending a message to our friend.

Also i reserve the right to be smug if one of our group dies and Pit flips out completely when the message hits him out of the blue.
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1. Bureaucracy does not mean poor security in important areas, the two relevant in this place being Sparks who they are currently examining and Pit who they believe is the secomd comming of one of their founders.

No you do not consider the high risk inherit to your plan and the stupid amount of steps we would need to get through.
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2. No.

Smug rights are annoying in actually contested votes we don't need anyone claiming them for ideas the GM has outright said aren't happening.
 
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undead frog said:
1. Bureaucracy does not mean poor security in important areas, the two relevant in this place being Sparks who they are currently examining and Pit who they believe is the secomd comming of one of their founders.


2. No.

Smug rights are annoying in actually contested votes we don't need anyone claiming them for ideas the GM has outright said aren't happening.
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Hm, thinking about it, i may have made some mistaken assumptions. I was convinced that the Host knew we were going on this mission, and that the "treason" they would imprison us for would be to talk to Pit about the mission since it would interrupt his training or cause him to attempt to help us, which i felt was exceedingly petty of them. If they really don't know, then the "treason" would be going on the mission. And talking to Pit would only make it certain that we would be discovered since security is so tight around him.

Though that makes me wonder why we expect the Host to help us with Luna and Thresh if we actually succeed in this mission. If we manage to take them back, that is inconvertible evidence that we went on a "treasonous" mission, which means they would need to imprison us for it. And while they are at it, they might as well imprison our siblings as well, for being extremely high level Gloaming operatives (and also related to a traitor).

Both explanations are weird, so i am not sure which one is correct.

So @drexal15, what is the treason we'd be imprisoned for? Going on it, or trying to involve Pit?
 
Chronic said:
So @drexal15, what is the treason we'd be imprisoned for? Going on it, or trying to involve Pit?
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It would be for trying to convince Pit to come with. The Choir would make up some charges that would eventually be dropped. HolyAngemon is purposefully exaggerating the lethality of it.

Partly because it would mean the mission wouldn't actually go off and partly because it would have him be demoted and unlikely to ever make Cherub again.
 
Basically it;s one of those cases where we are just better off following the restriction Pit already knows that we are seeing frontline combat so telling him that we are going someplace that has us even more likley to die is just an added weight.
 
drexal15 said:
It would be for trying to convince Pit to come with. The Choir would make up some charges that would eventually be dropped. HolyAngemon is purposefully exaggerating the lethality of it.

Partly because it would mean the mission wouldn't actually go off and partly because it would have him be demoted and unlikely to ever make Cherub again.
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Aaaaaand i am back to being ultra-angry at the host. Let's just tell Pit, then have Sparks teleport us out of Hub City. Not really though, it seems pretty clear that Verge doesn't want to risk it.

But does that mean that straight up telling Pit about the mission but at the same time trying to convince him not to come with us would be acceptable in the eyes of the Host? That seems like it would be an edge case...
 
Chronic said:
Aaaaaand i am back to being ultra-angry at the host. Let's just tell Pit, then have Sparks teleport us out of Hub City. Not really though, it seems pretty clear that Verge doesn't want to risk it.

But does that mean that straight up telling Pit about the mission but at the same time trying to convince him not to come with us would be acceptable in the eyes of the Host? That seems like it would be an edge case...
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If Pit knew, he'd insist on coming. HA knows this.
 
drexal15 said:
If Pit knew, he'd insist on coming. HA knows this.
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Hm, i actually thought we might be able to convince him to stay by appealing to his duty to the Host. Oh well, in that case, all objections and smug-rights withdrawn. I don't particularily want to take Pit along (i actually agree with the Host that it is better for everyone to just have him stay here and train to become Seraphimon), i just thought it would be cruel not to tell him when his friends are potentially marching to their deaths.
 
Chronic said:
Hm, i actually thought we might be able to convince him to stay by appealing to his duty to the Host. Oh well, in that case, all objections and smug-rights withdrawn. I don't particularily want to take Pit along (i actually agree with the Host that it is better for everyone to just have him stay here and train to become Seraphimon), i just thought it would be cruel not to tell him when his friends are potentially marching to their deaths.
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The things is... we kind already are doing the sort of thing due to being powerful but still expendable front-line combatants.

Honestly the biggest difference here is that.... this time its personal!
 
undead frog said:
The things is... we kind already are doing the sort of thing due to being powerful but still expendable front-line combatants.

Honestly the biggest difference here is that.... this time its personal!
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Uh, no? This time we are going against terrible odds, usually our commanders try to avoid throwing us head first into three top tier Ultimates. Major Tyrannomon is the only one of the group who can take one of Count, Luna and Thresh in a one-on-one. Not sure how powerful MTs students are, but presumably significantly weaker than their master, so they might be worth one of them? And Beat, Sparks and Verge might stall one of the three "enemies" with perfect teamwork, but realistically I'd expect us to loose that fight *hard*. Unless Verge digivolves, but we can't count on that. I know that the assumption in the thread is that he will, but drexal has thrown curveballs at us before.
 
Chronic said:
Uh, no? This time we are going against terrible odds, usually our commanders try to avoid throwing us head first into three top tier Ultimates. Major Tyrannomon is the only one of the group who can take one of Count, Luna and Thresh in a one-on-one. Not sure how powerful MTs students are, but presumably significantly weaker than their master, so they might be worth one of them? And Beat, Sparks and Verge might stall one of the three "enemies" with perfect teamwork, but realistically I'd expect us to loose that fight *hard*. Unless Verge digivolves, but we can't count on that. I know that the assumption in the thread is that he will, but drexal has thrown curveballs at us before.
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True but I think going out of our way to point out that the current mission is extra dangerous isn't exactly going to do any good.

Regarding the fight itself? Well hopefully the Wisemon Holy Angemon mentioned is around that level.. I don't know if the Anti-Vamp spell will be ready but hopefully that's also around to knock the Count down a tier.

If only their was something else we could do the stack the favor, but it's not like we have enough money on hand to hire any forces of value.
 
undead frog said:
True but I think going out of our way to point out that the current mission is extra dangerous isn't exactly going to do any good.

Regarding the fight itself? Well hopefully the Wisemon Holy Angemon mentioned is around that level.. I don't know if the Anti-Vamp spell will be ready but hopefully that's also around to knock the Count down a tier.

If only their was something else we could do the stack the favor, but it's not like we have enough money on hand to hire any forces of value.
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Maybe i misunderstood it again, but to me it sounded like Wisemon was only informing and gathering MT and his students, not participating in the mission.

Hm, Gnaw and friends might come for free, Gnaw did want to participate in our revenge after all. Though i am a bit hesistant to throw them into that kind of meatgrinder, they aren't really ready for that. Then again, neither is Verge.
 
Chronic said:
Maybe i misunderstood it again, but to me it sounded like Wisemon was only informing and gathering MT and his students, not participating in the mission.
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Shame, we need all the Ultimates we can get.

Hm, Gnaw and friends might come for free, Gnaw did want to participate in our revenge after all. Though i am a bit hesistant to throw them into that kind of meatgrinder, they aren't really ready for that. Then again, neither is Verge.
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Yeah... or all the times to need money and not have enough, since I'm assuming that even if the squad pooled its resources it would be enough.

I do want to avoid getting the Lone Wolves stuck in this as well though, all 3 are Ultmates but at the same time their also some of the last survivors of our village.
 
Scaryghosts said:
Gonna be honest even if Verg gets the anti count spell ready and digivolves I am still not sure it will be enough to win the fight.
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Yeah, i agree. I think it should also be noted that Count, Thresh and Luna are noted to be travelling with a light guard, not no guard, so I wouldn't be surprised if we ran into say Dino Knightmon and friends again on this mission. He is Lunas personal knight after all.
 
What will help is having Sparks learn the spell too. He's a Wisemon now, so it should be really easy for him to learn it if we show it to him.
 
I will note that Count being on par with Luna and Thresh is almost certainly dependent on it being night so if we hit him with the anti-vamp spell it should be able to knock him down a tier and help reduce that disadvantage... after all I really doubt Count is traveling with a light guard during the day.
justinkal said:
What will help is having Sparks learn the spell too. He's a Wisemon now, so it should be really easy for him to learn it if we show it to him.
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Or him managing to repurposed those pokemon of his, if only to help distract the escort.
 
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Chronic said:
Fine, i'll drop it, though i do not agree with you. And I do need to add that if you are right and the Host really has no idea that we intend to go through with the mission anyways there is really no reason why they would keep us from talking to or at least sending a message to our friend.

Also i reserve the right to be smug if one of our group dies and Pit flips out completely when the message hits him out of the blue.
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Really covering yourself in glory here man. And do you really think Pit would do any better knowing that he could have gone with us but was forced not to by the Host? He's in a shitty situation anyways and telling him does nothing to improve it.
Chronic said:
Yeah, i agree. I think it should also be noted that Count, Thresh and Luna are noted to be travelling with a light guard, not no guard, so I wouldn't be surprised if we ran into say Dino Knightmon and friends again on this mission. He is Lunas personal knight after all.
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And we have MasterTyrannomon and he's bringing his students with him. And nothing we've seen the Count with comes close to Flaremon. Moreover, he's Luna's knight. Not the Count's. I would be amazed if Luna didn't have an idea that we might attack them here.

It's easy to think of this ultimately being Verge's and Spark's revenge, but there's a lot of people with an axe to grind with the Count for killing Gramps and wiping out our village.
 
Chronic said:
Hm, i actually thought we might be able to convince him to stay by appealing to his duty to the Host. Oh well, in that case, all objections and smug-rights withdrawn. I don't particularily want to take Pit along (i actually agree with the Host that it is better for everyone to just have him stay here and train to become Seraphimon), i just thought it would be cruel not to tell him when his friends are potentially marching to their deaths.
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This IS the same Pit who charges off to help all the time, he's a good lad but ruled by his heart and guts.

...not much going on upstairs either.
 
Do you think Daemon had actual friends in his past life? I can't honestly see it given he's the demon lord of wrath and everyone was either terrified or worshipped him with a cult mind set but hey I could be very much wrong.
 
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