Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

Time for more timetables! (just travel facts here-timetables next post)

Prior to WWII, the standard way for American government employees to get around the country was by train. The government reimbursed travel expenses to the point of a Pullman Section (day mode on top, night mode below):



Bathrooms would be in the boudoirs at the ends of the car (men at one end, women at the other), with a sink and a place to shave.

It should be noted that this was still the times of Officers And Gentlemen, especially when it came to Admirals. This was the time when the section was on its way out. Where ten years earlier even multi-millionaires didn't think twice about using them, in 1941 they were rather falling out of fashion, being replaced with enclosed rooms (a sample of offerings linked below).

http://streamlinermemories.info/Mfrs/OnDressParade.pdf

Each Pullman sleeping car had its very own porter. This man was almost always African-American, or sometimes Filipino. Working for the Pullman Company was one of the highest-paying jobs in the African-American community at the time. On the other hand, they had no chances for promotion, and could be fired very easily (future Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall was told to deal with it or leave when he asked for pants that weren't too short since it was "easier to find another negro than a pair of pants"). The more polite passengers would refer to them as "porter", while the less polite would use "boy" or "George"-the latter stemming from the old practice of referring to slaves by their master's name (company founder George M. Pullman in this case).

No matter which (direct) route you took from Seattle to Chicago you would be riding in older Heavyweight rolling stock dating to the 1920s. It would be decorated in the Edwardian style. This 1940 brochure from the Great Northern Railway advertises its flagship train (there were a couple others on the same route) the Empire Builder:

http://streamlinermemories.info/GN/GNACEB.pdf

The Northern Pacific's competitor was the North Coast Limited, and the Milwaukee Road had the Olympian. Each company also operated several secondary trains to complement their flagships and serve local towns.

Despite the brochure's claims, the food in railroad dining cars was often rather expensive. However, you certainly got what you paid for. Prior to the 1960s, American railroad cuisine was considered to be among the best in the world, mobile or stationary. Companies competed and bragged about specialty dishes. Most of the time, the food would be the equivalent of a decidedly upscale restaurant.

Flagship trains in this period often had on-board maids, secretaries and barbers. They also frequently had custom menus, writing pads, and ink blotters (no ballpoints back then). Other amenities included showers, radios, and soda fountains. There were dedicated areas for smoking (including the men's boudoir in each sleeping car), but given the habits of the time I wouldn't count on the rest of the train being smoke-free.

The big new feature on American railroads in the '30s and '40s was air conditioning. Although it had been introduced back in 1931, the sheer size of the national fleet meant that it took until after WWII to equip all intercity rolling stock-the last commuter trains without AC were retired in the early 1980s and the NYC Subway still has some cars without it. Baring a major breakdown, however, the equipment on a flagship like the ones mentioned above would be equipped with AC.

Without using freeways, it is about 90 minutes either way from Puget Sound Naval Shipyard in Bremerton to Tacoma or Seattle. But Seattle is accessed by ferry, which makes for more interesting shenanigans (the first non-warship seen in-story). Incidentally, one of the things that would shock Thomson would be the shipyard's own internal railroad and its fleet of steam locomotives. Its something he probably would have known about academically, but steam engines aren't exactly an ordinary sight for 21st Century admirals, let alone a dozen at once. And steam locomotives aren't exactly subtle, so he would be treated to an impressive (if smoky) show.

An evening departure from Seattle would bring you to Chicago on the third morning. Until the big decline in the early 1960s, there were six different major railroad terminals in Chicago. The Great Northern and the Northern Pacific both forwarded their trains to the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy at the Twin Cities (St. Paul to be precise). The Burlington used Union Station. The somewhat-maverick Milwaukee Road operated under a single corporate structure all the way to Chicago. And it used... Union Station. So all three trains to Seattle used Union Station. Never noticed that before now.

I will cover the stay in Chicago and the trip from there to Washington in the next post. Timetables will follow after that. Thank you.

Also, a naval tidbit-apparently captains and admirals have their own personal boats (captain's is a gig, admiral's is a barge) that they use for getting out to ship and for puttering around harbor for business or leisure.

Here is WeeVee's admiral's barge in 1939:



This was built for COMPACFLT in 1946 and is still used for that office (and presidents when they visit) at Pearl Harbor:



(she apparently also gives tours roughly once a month)

For longer voyages during the war when it wasn't practical to send a naval ship Halsey used this new vessel from New Zealand:



Her name is Manawa Nui and she started the war doing clandestine ops infiltrating Australian coastwatchers into the Solomon Islands. Halsey used her for slightly longer-ranged voyages.

Would any of these vessels be likely to "speak up" at all?
 
Neat. If ever you needed a reminder that the past really is a different country look no further.

I don't think a tonnage limit was ever established on who talks and who doesn't was there?
 
Yeah, I'm personally not much of a fan of the animal thing.

For example, I see PT boats more as a tender-girl that is a collection of a squadron of the boats. And the boats themselves are fairy-operated attack craft. Mostly because Fairy!JFK and PT-109 :p

Also, no, there hasn't been a tonnage limit yet. Skip is the smallest yet at 1400 or so tons surfaced, but that isn't indicative of any lower limit.
 
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Ah, cool. One of these days I'll have information from the right fic, but it was not this day, this day I... I was gonna rip off Aragorn's speech but I couldn't think of a good way to finish that line. Gimme a while and I might edit it in.

EDIT: I Think I did it.

A day may come where my knowledge does not fail,
When I remember the information,
And answer the question correctly,
But it is not this day.

An hour of competence and success,
When my age of ignorance comes crashing down,
But it is not this day!

This day I forget!
By all I know on this decent forum,
I bid you correct me, People who know things!

What do you think?
 
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Is there official instructions on how to detect a shipgirl? Because the USN would have no idea how to see them except for love of the ship.
 
Obviously not right now, but there probably will be once they figure them out.
Yeah, it will be figured out once Thompson and his supporters convince FDR that shipgirls exist, but in the meantime it will be inconsistent at best and downright confusing and messy at worst.

Some sailors may try the object test, or the sighting method or worse yet, physically try to capture the shipgirl in question.

Which will end poorly to say the least.
 
physically try to capture the shipgirl in question.
The crew of an old four-stacker attempt to tackle the shipgirl in question.
Many attempts are made, but she's as flightly as she is small.
A dozen men out of action after smashing their heads into the various head-smashy things a cramped destroyer has on offer.
Finally, someone has the idea to lure the girl out with offers of cookies.
Girl comes out, starts filling herself with cookies.
Crew jumps on her, attempts to restrain her.
They restrain her clothes.
Girl bolts, goes streaking around the base screaming "IIIIIIIIMMMM!!! NNNNNNAAAAAAAKEDDDDD!"
It was USS Borie.
 
The crew of an old four-stacker attempt to tackle the shipgirl in question.
Many attempts are made, but she's as flightly as she is small.
A dozen men out of action after smashing their heads into the various head-smashy things a cramped destroyer has on offer.
Finally, someone has the idea to lure the girl out with offers of cookies.
Girl comes out, starts filling herself with cookies.
Crew jumps on her, attempts to restrain her.
They restrain her clothes.
Girl bolts, goes streaking around the base screaming "IIIIIIIIMMMM!!! NNNNNNAAAAAAAKEDDDDD!"
It was USS Borie.
And get promplty get a whole lotta sailors calling for armed Military Police and Thonpson and starts chasing her with anything they got.

She is screwed either way once she gets dragged to Thompson's office by atleast a dozen sailors with rifles and pistols.
 
Cue several sailors having to be disciplined in human etiquette. Since that snip can imply that several sailors are doing...inappropriate actions that could potentially get them a court-martial.

Although wouldn't that technically mean that they were sabotaging military equipment? Which when I last checked, was one of the stupidest things someone could do in the military.
 
There is probably going to be a mess of legal issues involving Shipgirls.

EDIT: It actually just occurred to me what the procedure for contacting a newly commissioned ship's spirit would likely be.

1. Captain gets on the ship's intercom.
2. Request that the resident ship spirit (or whatever official name the navy decides on... in the Mass Effect X-over we have running in the quest forum they get called SME's or Sentient Maritime Entities) utilize her radio to make contact with the bridge crew via morse code.
3. Communicate with the spirit through that means until her physical apparition to the crew can be established (which should be fairly quick).
 
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If/when Schreiber defects, I would expect him to start blaring out German propaganda along these lines:

"the nazis are a stain on german honor, we need to obliterate them" He could list the many crimes they have done. Even if people don't care about Jews, the "euthanization" of anyone who is mentally or physically "handicapped" by nazi standards should be a bad thing, as is the fact that the nazi economy is totally crap and has to literally conquer at all times to avoid total collapse.

He'll want to emphasize that he is a true German patriot and he is trying to get the best possible future for his nation. If he can make Churchill back off from unconditional surrender and stop any madness like the Morgenthau Plan, he has a very real chance of succeeding in getting a coup.

He should be trying to purge any nazi symbols from Bisko if possible. Since it is asking a bit much to have his men shoot fellow germans, he could maybe go to the Pacific theater-where he would get along well with a certain carrier admiral. Once the US is in the war, he'll want to ask for American AA systems-the only ones that were really effective at the time.

And if he really wants to thumb his nose at adolf, then he can have a rabbi bless his girl, and maybe play this over the PA and radio:

 
If/when Schreiber defects, I would expect him to start blaring out German propaganda along these lines:

"the nazis are a stain on german honor, we need to obliterate them" He could list the many crimes they have done. Even if people don't care about Jews, the "euthanization" of anyone who is mentally or physically "handicapped" by nazi standards should be a bad thing, as is the fact that the nazi economy is totally crap and has to literally conquer at all times to avoid total collapse.

He'll want to emphasize that he is a true German patriot and he is trying to get the best possible future for his nation. If he can make Churchill back off from unconditional surrender and stop any madness like the Morgenthau Plan, he has a very real chance of succeeding in getting a coup.

He should be trying to purge any nazi symbols from Bisko if possible. Since it is asking a bit much to have his men shoot fellow germans, he could maybe go to the Pacific theater-where he would get along well with a certain carrier admiral. Once the US is in the war, he'll want to ask for American AA systems-the only ones that were really effective at the time.

And if he really wants to thumb his nose at adolf, then he can have a rabbi bless his girl, and maybe play this over the PA and radio:


...there is only one way he would react...
 
If/when Schreiber defects, I would expect him to start blaring out German propaganda along these lines:

"the nazis are a stain on german honor, we need to obliterate them" He could list the many crimes they have done. Even if people don't care about Jews, the "euthanization" of anyone who is mentally or physically "handicapped" by nazi standards should be a bad thing, as is the fact that the nazi economy is totally crap and has to literally conquer at all times to avoid total collapse.

He'll want to emphasize that he is a true German patriot and he is trying to get the best possible future for his nation. If he can make Churchill back off from unconditional surrender and stop any madness like the Morgenthau Plan, he has a very real chance of succeeding in getting a coup.

He should be trying to purge any nazi symbols from Bisko if possible. Since it is asking a bit much to have his men shoot fellow germans, he could maybe go to the Pacific theater-where he would get along well with a certain carrier admiral. Once the US is in the war, he'll want to ask for American AA systems-the only ones that were really effective at the time.

And if he really wants to thumb his nose at adolf, then he can have a rabbi bless his girl, and maybe play this over the PA and radio:



I have my doubts you can get anyone at this time to back off unconditional surrender, nor for that matter do I personally believe you should back off from it. The entire idea behind demanding unconditional surrender was to prevent another "stab in the back" myth from arising for World War Two as it did for World War One. As bad as the present war was, Churchill and Roosevelt knew it would be far worse to have to go to war again in another twenty years against a resurgent Italy or a resurgent Japan or a re-resurgent Germany. They knew that the only way to prevent such a myth was for there to be no doubt in anyone's mind, present or future, who won and who lost the Second World War.

It's also the reason why, if the plot to kill Hitler and depose the Nazis succeeded, the Allies would never have accepted a peace on the terms the German officers would have asked for. Just the myth of a "stab in the back" had driven Germany to start the new war; the German officer's plot would have been a truthful one. Churchill knew that staying firm and seeing the war to the bitter end was vital; that if they did not, any suffering in the present would pale in comparison to what would be suffered in the future.

At the Treaty of Versailles, the Allies hoped that the future would be secured if it was proved that the Allies won. With World War Two, the Allies knew the only way to secure the future was by proving that the Axis lost.
 
It depends on what exactly those terms were. I've read reports that the accidental release of the Morgenthau Plan extended the war in the west by at least one to two months.
 
It would have served the allies well to use at least some backdoor channels to at least tell the germans and the japanese that the worse of the russian and the most extremist of the allied propaganda (like Halsey's famous promise) wouldn't be performed. The security of not getting erased from the map would have done wonders for the initial negociation for a cease fire amongst the more pragmatic members of the military and diplomatic corps.
 
It depends on what exactly those terms were. I've read reports that the accidental release of the Morgenthau Plan extended the war in the west by at least one to two months.
Don't see how. The war effectively ended only days after the Red Army planted their flag on the Chancellery in Berlin. That really can't be pushed forward much.

The Germans can't stop fighting on the Western Front but keep fighting on the Eastern Front. The Allies insisted on a general surrender of all German forces, East and West.
 
It would have served the allies well to use at least some backdoor channels to at least tell the germans and the japanese that the worse of the russian and the most extremist of the allied propaganda (like Halsey's famous promise) wouldn't be performed. The security of not getting erased from the map would have done wonders for the initial negociation for a cease fire amongst the more pragmatic members of the military and diplomatic corps.
Two things through.

Ironically Hasley promised didn't become famous until after the war.

Two HOW? Counties like Japan either drop kick out or put in camps Diplomats before the war started and didn't let new ones in until after their teeth was kicked in. There literally WAS NO diplomatic channels between the US and Japan during the war.
 
How is the rest of the US Navy doing with the shipgirl phenomenon? I guess the USALTFLT would still be in the dark somewhat but have news of the stuff happening in the USPACFLT and Pearl, but the Asiatic Fleet would be still in the dark due to the distance between Cavite Naval Base and Pearl, where the Asiatic fleet has Houston, Pope, Peary, JDF (John D. Ford), Pillsbury, Paul Jones, Stewart, Edsall, JDE (John D. Edwards), Alden, Whipple, Bulmer, Barker, Parrott, Marblehead and a whole batch of old S-class subs and modern Porpoise, Salmon and Salmon class subs.
 
Two HOW? Counties like Japan either drop kick out or put in camps Diplomats before the war started
After the war started the US/UK/Dutch/Japanese diplomatic parties were interned by the host governments, until an exchange was negotiated.

Diplomatic protection doesn't suddenly end when a war starts. Not even in Imperial Japan.

and didn't let new ones in until after their teeth was kicked in. There literally WAS NO diplomatic channels between the US and Japan during the war.
They used neutral go-betweens. As all governments do even this day, if there is no direct diplomatic channel available between two countries. Sweden and Switzerland are popular choices. But in WW2 the USSR would have been an option until August 1945.
 
Sky, is it there going to be an another update to Changing Destiny yet? It has already been 3 weeks since the last one.

Sorry for bugging you.
 
Sky, is it there going to be an another update to Changing Destiny yet? It has already been 3 weeks since the last one.

Sorry for bugging you.

Tomorrow...

er

later today. I really should be sleeping, but homework. Which, incidentally, is why the slow down happens. Work+homework=tired Sky who has much less time to write.
 
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