Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

One of these days, Thompson was going to learn how pilots- no matter the branch or time -were able to sound so casual, while not once dropping the respect needed for a superior officer. It was a unique skill that only they seemed to have. He certainly didn't have it. Might have helped with dealing with King...
Point of order: It's been a requirement that all people in command of carriers need to be trained aviators pretty much since the beginning. Halsey in particular went through flight training rather late just so he could meet that requirement to take command of Saratoga.
So Thompson is a pilot. He might have a bare minimum flight qualification like Halsey, but he's a pilot.
There was also the Congress member who announced that the Japanese didn't have their depth charges set deep enough to hit US subs. The Navy, and Silent Service especially, were pretty pissed about it for obvious reasons.
Hopefully Thompson was able to get that Congresscritter's security clearance revoked so he doesn't find out until after the war.
 
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I do hope that doesn't happen again. But now that they know that Thompson is a time traveler, that should give them enough weight to get BuOrd off its ass and fix the torpedoes much sooner than IRL.

This would be nice to see. Most of the issues honestly are with the early Mk. VI detonators.

They either set the warhead off too early, or it isn't set off at all. Early on the correct solution discovered by many submarine captains was to simply remove them entirely from the weapon, or to disable everything except the firing mechanism so the warhead would function on impact.

Depth issues were an easy field fix too. The big hurdle is getting morons like Tom Withers backed off so they can't insist that everything is fine and threaten to sack people who say it isn't.
 
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That just might shock a currently upside down Imperial German battlecruiser in the breaker's yard to fall out of her hull in a self-summoning to go help a fellow fleetmate. And the Iron Dog sails again...
Floating upside down in Scapa. On her way to become the first ship with more time afloat upside down than right side up.

Her sailing by again would shock the rivets out of Iron Duke, and many of the QE or R battleships if they are present.
 
The Thompson of this timeline was a pilot. Because of the carrier commander thing.

The Thompson that 'replaced' him, is not a pilot. He never served on a carrier in the future.

Better hope no one asks the Admiral to fly a plane, eh? :V
 
I forget if it was Halsey or Nimitz, but at least one of them qualified as an observer rather than a pilot to get command of a carrier.
 
I assume the Great War Battlecruiser that the Good Admiral already summoned as a shipgirl and had running around in the Netherlands shooting Nazis and saving Jews.
 
The Thompson of this timeline was a pilot. Because of the carrier commander thing.

The Thompson that 'replaced' him, is not a pilot. He never served on a carrier in the future.

Better hope no one asks the Admiral to fly a plane, eh? :V

His not being a pilot is not the problem in itself, as there were several admirals in multiple nations at the time who commanded aircraft carriers but who had never learned to fly themselves.

Halsey, Spruance, Fletcher, Nagumo...

That fact the version of himself he has been inserted over does know how to fly, and he still has no idea.

...

Hope indeed.
 
The Thompson of this timeline was a pilot. Because of the carrier commander thing.

The Thompson that 'replaced' him, is not a pilot. He never served on a carrier in the future.

Better hope no one asks the Admiral to fly a plane, eh? :V

Then again, Future!Thompson may know just enough about basic flying stuff from general information osmosis and video games that he can bluff it as "that was a long time ago, and I learned on the wrong kinds of planes; I'd need a Requal..."

Which he thinks sounds a fine idea, until someone gets him that Requal, and suddenly he has to worry about the future of his lunch...
 
I do hope that doesn't happen again. But now that they know that Thompson is a time traveler, that should give them enough weight to get BuOrd off its ass and fix the torpedoes much sooner than IRL.
IIRC, Thompson already reamed Adm. Christie (the fuckwad), and convinced Pearl's CO enough to outright give orders to remove the magnetic detonators until they are 'tested further'.

(Christie is a fuckwad second only to Adm. King, whom is a petty vindictive racist fuckwad)
 
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There's hatred, then there's stupidity.
And then there's whatever THAT was.
Here's hoping, this time through, with possible forewarning (doubtful though), that the military nails the newspaper to the wall all the while screaming to the rest of the papers that the Tribune's blabbing just cost US Sailors their lives. Hit all the patriotic buttons, while pointing fingers solely at the paper's owner. Possibly even have slanted editorials where its suggested that the rank & file Tribune staff were/are appalled at the breach of security, but told to write it up & print it or their jobs were on the line. Which focuses all attention on the man who really is the problem.

Ruin the man's reputation to the point it collapses and either he folds or gets removed via hostile takeover (Howard Hughes still is alive iirc, and would probably love to buy another newspaper) - and it'd probably end in a best result than OTL.

Also, it sends a stark message to anyone else that might be thinking of opening their mouths, that the US Government will take it personally and take great pains in destroying you over it. Without even needing to take 'official' legal action. Or worse, destroy you BEFORE taking legal action - when your name has been plastered everywhere for weeks on end, all reports saying you might very well have cost US military personnel their lives by aiding the enemy....in a time when EVERYONE read the newspapers, in the middle of a war widely seen (then) as the USA getting ambushed into....and only then take things officially to court? Good F'ing luck on the jury not condemning your ass on the spot.

Thompson is from the modern times. Have him give pointers for how to really nail someone in the media that the 1940s isn't used to.

Yet.

Character assassination methods have gotten scarily good and far more advanced ever since the 1960s and really took off in the 1990s, due to TV & Internet respectively becoming ever more prevalent. Back in the 1940s, radios are still something new enough that entire families cluster around to listen to, daily, to find out what is going on. Moreso ever since the war started and a huge chunk of those families are desperate for any news involving locations where their sons/brothers/fathers/uncles/husbands/lovers might be stationed. Suddenly going on air and slamming someone that is 'risking our boys, hell, he might as well killed them himself', would have the entire country turn on him in an instant. I remember my grandparents mentioning how they could perfectly recall sitting around with a good chunk of their neighborhood, in the only house IN said neighborhood that had a 'good' quality radio, all listening to reports about the war and other events. And this is the pre-Watergate era, before the country started becoming numb to political skullduggery/backstabbing/infighting. Back when the common person actually BELIEVED in their politicians - and FDR, due to getting the common man back to work with his New Deal, has quite possibly the strongest hold among the population in the 20th century of any President that sat in the White House. Even better, to top all this off, is that this is an era where you just don't play hardball to that level. Not internally. Against enemies of the state that are external, sure, go wild. But nailing someone to the wall and vilifying them publicly who is a fellow citizen? Its just not done (then) unless someone in the government already knows said person is a criminal.

Even with vague hints, Thompson could give the various propaganda divisions damn near their ideal of the holy grail in how to ruin someone's career. He might deeply regret it later on once FDR is out of office and whomever replaces him steps up (I am NOT even going to try to guess whom) and the political landscape starts using the more advanced and amoral mudslinging tactics decades early, but it'd be quite valuable in this war.
 
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that the military nails the newspaper to the wall all the while screaming to the rest of the papers that the Tribune's blabbing just cost US Sailors their lives

I don't really think this is a great idea, for the same reason why the attempted prosecution of the paper failed OTL: the court needed to know how the paper had breached wartime security, namely what secret the Tribune had printed. The military refused to tell the court precisely what secrets the Tribune had printed, and wound up dropping the case.

It's true that the tactics you've mentioned will be very effective in tearing down the Chicago Tribune, but such a media circus will only lead people and other media outlets to wonder just what the Tribune printed to bring the government down on them. That will, in turn, lead to people (and other governments!) going through the Tribune's articles looking for the military secret the Navy is screaming about. It will draw so much more attention to the secrets the military wants buried. The best thing that could be done from a wartime secrecy perspective is what the Navy did OTL, which is to keep things quiet so it doesn't draw a whole lot of attention.
 
Sounds like the Streisand effect in action over there. Might as well go "can neither confirm nor deny"?
 
More like just not even reply to it at all, because any reply the military does make (even a reply that says no reply) only draws attention. It's the reason that "can neither confirm nor deny" is only given to a direct inquiry; giving it to a more open question just waves a flag that there's something hidden in that direction.

In a private meeting with the upper leadership of the Tribune, however, we can absolutely let loose and tell them they have put American boys at risk and caused deaths. A policy of simply avoiding the Tribune (simply shunning them or pretending they don't exist) will do the job quite well of showing that the Tribune had crossed some line without allowing any hint as to what they did.
 
Character assassination methods have gotten scarily good and far more advanced ever since the 1960s and really took off in the 1990s, due to TV & Internet respectively becoming ever more prevalent. Back in the 1940s, radios are still something new enough that entire families cluster around to listen to, daily, to find out what is going on. Moreso ever since the war started and a huge chunk of those families are desperate for any news involving locations where their sons/brothers/fathers/uncles/husbands/lovers might be stationed. Suddenly going on air and slamming someone that is 'risking our boys, hell, he might as well killed them himself', would have the entire country turn on him in an instant. I remember my grandparents mentioning how they could perfectly recall sitting around with a good chunk of their neighborhood, in the only house IN said neighborhood that had a 'good' quality radio, all listening to reports about the war and other events. And this is the pre-Watergate era, before the country started becoming numb to political skullduggery/backstabbing/infighting. Back when the common person actually BELIEVED in their politicians - and FDR, due to getting the common man back to work with his New Deal, has quite possibly the strongest hold among the population in the 20th century of any President that sat in the White House. Even better, to top all this off, is that this is an era where you just don't play hardball to that level. Not internally. Against enemies of the state that are external, sure, go wild. But nailing someone to the wall and vilifying them publicly who is a fellow citizen? Its just not done (then) unless someone in the government already knows said person is a criminal.
From what I recall learning in school, the use of propaganda and media manipulation was pioneered in the late 1930's and used in the war. These techniques were pioneered during WWII, although there had been some of it before, it wasn't used the same way propaganda was used during the war.
These later progressions are direct descendants to the nascent techniques being developed in WWII.
Just like the use of air power in warfare was in it's childhood and just coming into it's own in WWII, so were the propaganda techniques you speak of. Just like air power was used in an early form in WWI, so too was the propaganda.
It's amazing how many things can trace their roots to WWII and are developments from something first used in WWII.
In any case, my point is that the techniques you speak of were being developed in WWII, they were not invented in the 1960's. Merely an evolution of stuff pioneered in WWII. Much like a lot of post-war technologies such as jet aircraft, submarines that spend the majority of their time underwater, a lot of industrial recycling, nuclear technology, and many, many other technologies.
 
I don't really think this is a great idea, for the same reason why the attempted prosecution of the paper failed OTL: the court needed to know how the paper had breached wartime security, namely what secret the Tribune had printed. The military refused to tell the court precisely what secrets the Tribune had printed, and wound up dropping the case.

It's true that the tactics you've mentioned will be very effective in tearing down the Chicago Tribune, but such a media circus will only lead people and other media outlets to wonder just what the Tribune printed to bring the government down on them. That will, in turn, lead to people (and other governments!) going through the Tribune's articles looking for the military secret the Navy is screaming about. It will draw so much more attention to the secrets the military wants buried. The best thing that could be done from a wartime secrecy perspective is what the Navy did OTL, which is to keep things quiet so it doesn't draw a whole lot of attention.
Yes, but that takes time.
Time enough for the critical period in which that info leak(s) were viable against the USA to have passed.

This isn't modern day where we have Google and hackers/crackers are damn near everywhere and can overwhelm security via numbers & methods. This is the age of the telegram and 'bugs' in a computer being literal cockroaches found in the paper punch cards. Anyone that wants to hunt down the info has to GO to either wherever the Tribune's own archives are, or make a trip to DC and just try to get access to the war archives...

In the War Department.
In the middle of a war.
Requiring security clearances only military & congress can get.
As a civilian.
As a reporter.

Heh, see how that would turn out.

Ruin the Tribune's reputation, and then after the war (and, this is admittedly cold-blooded - as the bodies come home in flag draped caskets), THEN reveal it all to prove it. No lies, but actual confirmed facts you can put before a judge & jury.

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I wonder if Thompson is aware of the coup plot by Rockefeller and others, who wanted to oust FDR. Yes, its real, and nearly happened. Might be interesting to see if he could squeeze an advantage out of that for naval construction or something else. The proverbial 'I'm giving him an offer he can't refuse'.
 
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...The USN is well equipped with a ridiculously large Naval Construction plan already going. Pretty much every shipyard is being used to build warships or merchants. There's literally no need for Thompson to betray FDR.

Edit: Are you talking about the Business Plot? That was in 1934.
 
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And the plot happened in 1933, and the existence of said plot is questioned as the only evidence, if I remember right, was the testimony of Major General Butler.
 
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Might be interesting to see if he could squeeze an advantage out of that for naval construction or something else. The proverbial 'I'm giving him an offer he can't refuse'.
After Pearl Harbor, Congress pretty much gave the Navy a blank check. They were already doing all the construction they could do by January of 1942. The limitation was the number of shipyards large enough to produce usable ships and skilled shipwrights.
Even the smaller shipyards normally used to make civilian pleasure craft were being used to make small craft for the war effort such as landing craft, launches, PT boats and even a few riverboat patrol craft. Also some coastal patrol boats instead of yachts.
So basically, the shipbuilding industry was pretty much already nationalized for the war effort, there wasn't much more they could have done.
The automotive industry also converted to a war footing, very few civilian cars were made from 1942-1945 as they converted to making stuff for the military, including airplane engines. Trucks on the other hand were available as they were needed domestically for logistics to get goods to the railroads or ports where they could be shipped overseas. Not that half the production wasn't shipped overseas as well for logistics. Lend/Lease gave megatons of civilian tractors, trucks, and transports to England, China, and the Soviet Union.

WWI and WWII had given the government unprecedented control over industry for producing the goods needed to fight the war.
 
After Pearl Harbor, Congress pretty much gave the Navy a blank check. They were already doing all the construction they could do by January of 1942. The limitation was the number of shipyards large enough to produce usable ships and skilled shipwrights.
Even the smaller shipyards normally used to make civilian pleasure craft were being used to make small craft for the war effort such as landing craft, launches, PT boats and even a few riverboat patrol craft. Also some coastal patrol boats instead of yachts.
So basically, the shipbuilding industry was pretty much already nationalized for the war effort, there wasn't much more they could have done.
The automotive industry also converted to a war footing, very few civilian cars were made from 1942-1945 as they converted to making stuff for the military, including airplane engines. Trucks on the other hand were available as they were needed domestically for logistics to get goods to the railroads or ports where they could be shipped overseas. Not that half the production wasn't shipped overseas as well for logistics. Lend/Lease gave megatons of civilian tractors, trucks, and transports to England, China, and the Soviet Union.

WWI and WWII had given the government unprecedented control over industry for producing the goods needed to fight the war.
Perhaps other options then.

Going back to the failed coup topic, perhaps 'suggesting' that the various businessmen who tried to screw over FDR, 'do something' about publicly putting their support behind the GI Bill early (it went through in 1944), and that they are to push for it to be extended longer than 1956. Because that one bill alone did VOLUMES of good towards the hyperpower status the USA reached, post-war. Meanwhile talk to FDR about the possibilities of 'Nam, and ways to keep the troops both motivated in case of the next war(s), while also giving the civilian side of the economy a continuous booster shot as troops eventually swap out their uniforms for work clothes.

Also, going sort of in parallel to the Tribune topic, mention just how horrific bad the CHA fucked up the low income apartments to the point even today its just 'The Projects' or 'The Stacks', and cops for decades didn't dare go in unless they had overwhelming numbers. I live in WA state, and its so notorious even out here, that I didn't have to look that up at all. Before the infamy of Compton, there was the Chicago 'Projects'.

Mention to FDR how the entire region between Chicago & Detroit had their industry shrivel and practically die by the '70s - '80s, killing the economy there for a time. Leave sealed briefing notes for future administrations to very adamantly support industries there, which back in 1940 were big enough to build entire warships. Literally a thousand miles away from the coastlines, where no WW2 carrier based 'bombers' could hope to reach. Aka, virtually immune to Abyssal attacks.

The latter two topics are less about the current war, and more setting things in motion for post-war, and even further along in getting ready for the Abyssal War.
 
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