deathzealotzero
Mecha Guru
- Location
- Las Vegas, NV
Hmmm... I wonder would if that Russian Shipgirl could get in contact with Thompson if needed.
Changing Destiny (Kancolle)
- Thread starter Skywalker_T-65
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PyrrhicSteel
Look natural.
- Location
- Idaho
As always, your writing is amazing. I really should have held off on reading this until after I cleared the snow off of my walk, though... There were better hours of the day that I could have lost in reading!
It's much appreciated, and surprisingly helped me remember everything that was happening in the main fic. Another thing is that I usually find japanese honorifics in english writing annoying, but you managed to make it work here, somehow. I need to study this...
- Location
- Pacific Northwest
I wonder if Soya, being in Honolulu, can give Hina and the others a true reading on the depth of American anger, outrage and fury as a reaction to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Such depth of national feeling cannot be underestimated or ignored. The Americans will be going all out to wipe out the Japanese, no matter where they are in the Pacific, and that may complicate things for Hina and her operation.
I also wonder if Hina has made contact with some of her father's colleagues, like Goto, Ozawa, Nagumo, Kurita, Mikawa, and my fav, Tanaka. I imaging her brother would have a lot to say about the Commandant of the IJN Surface Torpedo School.
I also wonder if Hina has made contact with some of her father's colleagues, like Goto, Ozawa, Nagumo, Kurita, Mikawa, and my fav, Tanaka. I imaging her brother would have a lot to say about the Commandant of the IJN Surface Torpedo School.
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- Location
- Philippines
It's one of the perks of being a descendant of Heihachiro Togo and Hina's main advantage. Her American and German counterparts can rise up their navies' ranks and work from within their organizations, while she's a civilian and a woman who has to establish a Japanese resistance movement from scratch.
That's a possibility. Hina could probably describe the American admirals she knew (mainly Riain) so Soya would know who to look for.
But I don't want to impose on the main story; I'm just writing side stories. Hence Hina telling Varyag/Soya to lay low post-Operation AI. In-story, Hina has no idea if Thompson or any of the other American admirals also ended up in the past despite Soya having several months to check the news for the "dashing" commander of USS Saratoga.
Granted, Soya could also pass as an American woman with a Philadelphia accent... And now I'm kicking myself for not realizing it >_<
Thank you, I try to please. I had fun re-reading the last dozen chapters to familiarize myself with the current events.
(I do hope you're not that badly snowed in. Sky and the others in Discord have told me about how bad it is right now in the U.S.)
I deliberately cut down on my habitual use of gratuitous Japanese. I only used the honorifics and other Japanese words when I have to, and will usually add the English translations afterward to tone down my weebness XD
Gauging American emotions is a minor part of Soya's job. Hina's logically aware that the attack on Pearl Harbor infuriated Americans enough to fight for four years, starve millions of Japanese civilians, and drop two nukes on Japanese cities. She has also worked with American commanders and shipgirls during the Abyssal War. But it does help to have someone there to convey just how angry the Americans felt.
Hina avoids active duty IJN personnel because she doesn't think she can convince them to go against the flow. For example, she never had Naka try to influence Yamamoto when the latter visits her in her capacity as a geisha. The IJN admiral was famously opposed to allying with the Axis and war with the Americans, but he still planned and initiated Operation AI.
Now, if a naval officer lost a vital battle and got punished for it by getting reassigned to a desk job (i.e. Admiral Inouye post-Coral Sea and Tanaka himself toward the end of 1942), Hina thinks she can risk approaching them. They would have known the taste of defeat and would be more open to helping her bring the war to an end because they know the Americans are far stronger than many hardliners give them credit for. Essentially, she's playing the long game, waiting for the idiots to get killed while building up her own strength.
I hope this explains anything I forgot to cover. Again, enjoy, and for those of you in the U.S. right now, please take care.
CV12Hornet
Riter.
- Location
- Tacoma, Washington
Excuse you, the weather is out to lunch mostly east of the Rockies. We West Coast peeps are fine. Save your prayers for the rest of the country.
I love the different approaches each time displaced admiral has to bringing back shipgirls at this point in history.
Thompson: "We should only summon shipgirls if things are truly desperate or Abyssals show up."
Schreiber: "I will bring back a few trusted friends so that my plans to save Germany may succeed..."
Hina: "Shipgirls! Summon all of the shipgirls!"
Thompson: "We should only summon shipgirls if things are truly desperate or Abyssals show up."
Schreiber: "I will bring back a few trusted friends so that my plans to save Germany may succeed..."
Hina: "Shipgirls! Summon all of the shipgirls!"
- Location
- Perth, Western Australia
With Hina it's "Summon all the Shipgirls because everyone else will execute me!" so fair enough on her part.
Killerflood
Corporal Cannonfodder
- Location
- Saṃsāra
Why is Hina so sure about Schreiber being sent back? Has she contacted him or simply somehow heard about him?
- Location
- North Carolina
I honestly have no clue.
It could be that news of Schreiber's exploits have had an easier time reaching Japan and Hina was able to put two and two together on him being sent back as well.
- Location
- Pacific Northwest
If Hina's plan involves enlisting defeated IJN senior officers, she's got a narrow window to operate with. I'd say she's got no later than early-mid 1944 to have something in operation. Once the Americans take the Marianas, establish bases, and bring in the 15th and 20th Air Forces with their B-29s, it's going to be too late.
Skywalker_T-65
Writer with too many ideas.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- Plural/They/He/Her
Schreiber is a bit of a propaganda darling right now. Think how Rommel was OTL.
News of his exploits are being used and abused by the Nazi propaganda machine. He's using it to his advantage too, of course.
News of his exploits are being used and abused by the Nazi propaganda machine. He's using it to his advantage too, of course.
One of the trickiest things for both Schreiber and Hina Togo will be making their respective countries' defeats clear, to prevent another "stab in the back" myth or three cropping up. I think on Hina's part the best thing she can do is convince the Emperor to surrender earlier, then help stop the inevitable Army coup that follows. It always astounds me how tricky alternate history is to play with.
- Location
- Pacific NW
And Schreiber has to win enough to suck the oxygen out of any halfway decent news that the Eastern Front could possibly churn out. Plus he has to either 1) Get enough generals on board to secure the whole Nazi apparatus to start de-Nazification, or more likely 2) Get someone with the prestige to convince the generals and the populace that the Nazi party leads to a rather nasty cliff. Now Schreiber has convinced Louis Ferdinand to start speaking and be the figurehead leader needed. Still needs to find Louis someone that he can put up as a Minister of Defence/Military/War that the generals will not just obey but will actually respect.
And folks like that are very few and far between. Although there is that guy who told Hitler "to go fuck himself" to Hitler's face...
And folks like that are very few and far between. Although there is that guy who told Hitler "to go fuck himself" to Hitler's face...
FailLord
2050 lb bombs?
- Location
- very high up
And then there is resisting the soviets long enough to preserve the territory of Germany.
Schreiber honestly has the most difficult position out of any of the time displaced admirals. He has to; build a capable resistance organization, play the political game with an increasingly suspicious Nazi party, convince the West to support him, and accomplish this all before the Soviet hammer smashes Germany, all while still having to fight the war. He has his work cut out for him.
Hina, while not in a position to directly influence the course of the war, has the advantage of being able to work without too much scrutiny and an armada of shipgirls if things get dicey. Compared to either of them Thompson is practically on easy mode as he isn't on a time crunch and now that him being a time traveler is now known, he can work more openly than the other two.
Granted I think the Italians being the ones to first reveal shipgirls to the wider world is going to end up derailing all of their plans.
Hina, while not in a position to directly influence the course of the war, has the advantage of being able to work without too much scrutiny and an armada of shipgirls if things get dicey. Compared to either of them Thompson is practically on easy mode as he isn't on a time crunch and now that him being a time traveler is now known, he can work more openly than the other two.
Granted I think the Italians being the ones to first reveal shipgirls to the wider world is going to end up derailing all of their plans.
And that was the "censored" account of that guy's meeting with Hitler. General Lettow-Vorbeck was not that "polite" in his face to face meeting with Hitler. Though, getting to him will likely be difficult. After his blunt refusal, Lettow-Vorbeck was kept under constant surveillance and in RL was never recalled to active service.
- Location
- North Carolina
I am honestly surprised that he survived doing that.
Killerflood
Corporal Cannonfodder
- Location
- Saṃsāra
Probably because of three factors:
- He was old and retired without influence so any resistance of his would amount to nothing.
- He wasn't actually doing anything due to above so he wasn't a threat.
- He still likely was at least respected by the Wehrmacht (hence Hitler himself asking him for him to help) due to his tactically successful and strategically annoying career in East Africa during WW1.
- Location
- North Carolina
Fair enough, though if the "censored" version of General Lettow-Vorbeck's meeting with Hitler is him literally telling Hitler to "go fuck yourself", makes you wonder what he actually said to him.
ijnfleetadmiral
CinC Rengo Kanmusutai
- Location
- Admiral's Bridge, HIJMS Kongo
This sentence alone was awesome. Tsuji was a vile POS...I hope Naka took the Cajun route with him as much as she could. (Cajun route = "Play with him a little before you kill him.")
I killed Tsuji off quick in my own AU, right after the Capture of Corregidor:
The Japanese are totally unprepared for the number of prisoners captured. Although some officers - most notably Colonel Tsuji Masanobu - advocate a forced eighty-mile march from Bataan to Camp O'Donnell, LTG Homma orders makeshift enclosures built to house the prisoners instead, until such time as they can be transported to Camp O'Donnell by truck or rail. Colonel Tsuji continues to be outspoken against such plans, and when Homma finds out that his own Chief-of-Staff, MG Wachi Takaji, agrees with Tsuji, orders them both out of the Philippines, sending a notice about Wachi directly to the Army General Staff that Homma "...hereby dismisses him from service due to his inability to follow the orders of a superior officer", a career-ending blow for Wachi. When he is called before the Army General Staff on these charges, all he will say is that he stands by his actions, a move that puts him on the Reserve list, virtually blackballed from any good standing within the Imperial Japanese Army. No one is surprised to hear of his subsequent suicide.
As for Tsuji, Homma warns the Army General Staff about him in the same message he sent concerning Wachi, deeming Tsuji an "insurrectionist menace that needs to be squashed quickly." The Chief of the Army General Staff, GEN Sugiyama Hajime, having dealt with similar matters concerning Tsuji before, is tired of sending Tsuji off to various units, only to have him sent home time and again with reports of insubordination. Therefore, he makes an example of the firebrand officer and orders him court-martialed for insubordination, a charge that is manipulated from 'insubordination against superior officers' to 'plotting insurrection against the Emperor', a charge which Tsuji is quickly and unanimously convicted of, and sentenced to death by firing squad. Tsuji remains unrepentant to the end, shouting "Tenno heika, banzai!" seconds before the shots ring out at Sugamo Prison.
As for Tsuji, Homma warns the Army General Staff about him in the same message he sent concerning Wachi, deeming Tsuji an "insurrectionist menace that needs to be squashed quickly." The Chief of the Army General Staff, GEN Sugiyama Hajime, having dealt with similar matters concerning Tsuji before, is tired of sending Tsuji off to various units, only to have him sent home time and again with reports of insubordination. Therefore, he makes an example of the firebrand officer and orders him court-martialed for insubordination, a charge that is manipulated from 'insubordination against superior officers' to 'plotting insurrection against the Emperor', a charge which Tsuji is quickly and unanimously convicted of, and sentenced to death by firing squad. Tsuji remains unrepentant to the end, shouting "Tenno heika, banzai!" seconds before the shots ring out at Sugamo Prison.
Also, if the Solomons campaign happen as in OTL, I expect the certain reunions in October and November 1942 to be very emotional. (Mutsuki sank in August, Fubuki in October, and Yudachi in November.) And don't get me started on any DesDiv 6 stuff...
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- Location
- Pacific Northwest
I could also see Teruzuki alternately attempting to apologize and begging for forgiveness from Tanaka-san as well.
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ijnfleetadmiral
CinC Rengo Kanmusutai
- Location
- Admiral's Bridge, HIJMS Kongo
Somehow I see Tanaka-san being able to see Jintsu at some point, and being completely understanding about shipgirls. CAPT Hara and Amatsukaze would also be another plausible duo. Then when Hara is transferred to Shigure and trains DesDiv 27, Shigure will train herself to manifest so she can glomp him.
To the Authors of this Thread: Please let Hiryu manifest before Tamon-Maru at some point...would love to see his reaction.
- Location
- North Carolina
Tanaka? Wasn't he the guy who with only destroyers managed to sink one USN Heavy Cruiser and put three more out of action for the better part of a year?