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Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

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newwriter said:
Actually.
Will the American Admiral allow the Japanese to successfully attack Pearl Harbor?
As tragic day it was, the attack was vital in pushing the isolationist United States into finally declaring war on Japan which caused Hitler to declare war on America.
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To be blunt, what Admiral Thompson personally desires is irrelevant. He has no realistic way of stopping Pearl Harbor from happening.
 
Slightly off topic, but can anyone PM me the list of reasonable KC clones that can be played in english? From some of the pictures shown I want to give them a try but haven't been able to locate them in the google play store.

As for spagetti posting, it's enforcement has been made intentionally lax for creative writing threads, specifically to allow responses to multiple parts of text or multiple commentators while it is still quite in force in the rest of the forum.

Finally, WOOHOO we had a new chapter and things are seriously heating up! I really like how plans are being pushed forward through direct shipgirl to shipgirl communication. It's a risky risky move, but I like it!
 
Gosu said:
The convoy ships are going to Germany with Blucher. Prinz Eugen and Bismarck are making for Brest.
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then Butchers now stuck at 20 knots sailing around Britain with that convoy, and even if she has a code machine, care to bet the merchant ships she's talking with don't.
So the brits will find her, and unless they send only a single destroyer after her she's screwed with a capital S.
 
Spectre said:
then Butchers now stuck at 20 knots sailing around Britain with that convoy, and even if she has a code machine, care to bet the merchant ships she's talking with don't.
So the brits will find her, and unless they send only a single destroyer after her she's screwed with a capital S.
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Semaphore flags. They don't have to use the radio if they're all within visual distance.
 
Spectre said:
assuming the brits didn't destroy them... or another storm brews up... or a hundred 50 other things that can fuck that plan up.
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The Brits wouldn't have destroyed their semaphore/signal flags because that's stupid. They need to be able to signal emergencies, etc. Also, there are alternate non-radio signals.

Morse lamps. Guns. The point is your assumption is easily subverted, making it irrelevant.
 
Dirtnap said:
That's all well and good, but you can see about maybe 1-2mi on a clear day. Once the Bismarck leaves visual sight and is radio silent...there's no way in hell to find it, other than triangulation or getting lucky with a fly over.

Sure they might have had a very rough heading but that changes the moment the captain says, helm 5° port or starboard. And the ocean is big. Really. Really. Big.

There's also the time lag it takes to get a message from a Resistance cell to the Brits.
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Not really. The Ocean is big but the seas around Denmark are not that big. The British can gain the location of German warships through scouting or code breaking as well as simple guess work based on the ship objectives.
At this time, the North Sea and the seas around Britain are well patrolled by the Royal Navy. the Germans do not have freedom of movement at sea like the British.

Also, you can not say that the time it would take to get a message from the resistance to the British would be too long to make a different. We really have no idea how long it would take. IT could take a day or a week for the information to get to the British and even then Ships are not that fast. Even if 3 days gone by, the British would know that the ship is still in the North Sea.
 
there also the problem that Blutcher has to signal she and the convoy are German in some way, shape, or form lest the nearest Luftwaffe aircraft/ U-boats sink her and every merchant there. These same things will be dead giveaways to any RAF/ RN unit that see's the convoy.
 
Spectre said:
there also the problem that Blutcher has to signal she and the convoy are German in some way, shape, or form lest the nearest Luftwaffe aircraft/ U-boats sink her and every merchant there. These same things will be dead giveaways to any RAF/ RN unit that see's the convoy.
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What, the fact that Blücher is steaming with a bunch of merchies won't be enough of a giveaway for the Wehrmacht?

Come on, man. I know the Nazis did some dumb shit, but you're shoving the Idiot Ball up their ass at this point.
 
PAGDTenno said:
What, the fact that Blücher is steaming with a bunch of merchies won't be enough of a giveaway for the Wehrmacht?

Come on, man. I know the Nazis did some dumb shit, but you're shoving the Idiot Ball up their ass at this point.
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Ok then.
How good are the Norway Luftwaffe's ship identification skills?
 
Always Late said:
Ok then.
How good are the Norway Luftwaffe's ship identification skills?
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Thorthemighty said:
They did sink a friendly destroyer once.
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Again. You're literally assuming that the Wehrmacht will do the dumbest possible thing. One assumes that Luftwaffe air patrols correctly identified the allegiance of the ships they passed in the air more often than not, if only because there was a Kriegsmarine to fight.

Plus, Blücher doesn't have to maintain radio silence all the way in. Once she's about a day out, interception becomes improbable, and she can freely inform the rest of the Wehrmacht of her success.
 
PAGDTenno said:
Again. You're literally assuming that the Wehrmacht will do the dumbest possible thing. One assumes that Luftwaffe air patrols correctly identified the allegiance of the ships they passed in the air more often than not, if only because there was a Kriegsmarine to fight.

Plus, Blücher doesn't have to maintain radio silence all the way in. Once she's about a day out, interception becomes improbable, and she can freely inform the rest of the Wehrmacht of her success.
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Granted, I agree their. Blücher doesn't need to maintain radio silence all the way back. But the Luftwaffe did sink a friendly destroyer once, but your right barring a real bad case of shit to the brain, it's highly unlikely that the Luftwaffe will accidently sink friendly ships.
 
PAGDTenno said:
Again. You're literally assuming that the Wehrmacht will do the dumbest possible thing. One assumes that Luftwaffe air patrols correctly identified the allegiance of the ships they passed in the air more often than not, if only because there was a Kriegsmarine to fight.

Plus, Blücher doesn't have to maintain radio silence all the way in. Once she's about a day out, interception becomes improbable, and she can freely inform the rest of the Wehrmacht of her success.
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There's a few things you're missing.
1. You underestimate the infighting and poor communications of Nazi Germany's military branches. We're talking about the same air force that insisted any aircraft carrier designs have a Luftwaffe officer commanding Luftwaffe pilots and planes, and flat-out refused any sort of naval aviation. Additionally, communications between the Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine had to go to very high levels of command for even low-level communications.
2. What is 'one day out' for a ship at 20 knots is not the same as 'one day out' for a bomber or fighter.
3. Luftflotte 5 is still understrength from the casualties she took in the Battle of Britain, and mostly consists of ad-hoc groups. An organized, escorted push by the Royal Air Force and the Navy could push conceivably though the meagre defenses available.

We are not giving Germany any more of an Idiot Ball than the one they had historically.
 
Always Late said:
There's a few things you're missing.
1. You underestimate the infighting and poor communications of Nazi Germany's military branches. We're talking about the same air force that insisted any aircraft carrier designs have a Luftwaffe officer commanding Luftwaffe pilots and planes, and flat-out refused any sort of naval aviation. Additionally, communications between the Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine had to go to very high levels of command for even low-level communications.
2. What is 'one day out' for a ship at 20 knots is not the same as 'one day out' for a bomber or fighter.
3. Luftflotte 5 is still understrength from the casualties she took in the Battle of Britain, and mostly consists of ad-hoc groups. An organized, escorted push by the Royal Air Force and the Navy could push conceivably though the meagre defenses available.

We are not giving Germany any more of an Idiot Ball than the one they had historically.
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1)Yes, you are. You're assuming they will do the dumbest thing possible. I'm saying it is possible they won't, and you're refusing to even concede that, maybe, just maybe, the branches of the Wehrmacht weren't routinely shooting at each other, seeing as there was an actual war for the Allies to fight.

2) True. But see #1.

3) Oh really? Assuming Blücher radios in 240 nautical miles, or 1 day at an ordinary 10-knot cruising speed(remember, she's restricted by the merchies), out, the RN has to cover whatever the distance to her from their closest ship is, plus whatever additional distance she generates while the enemy warships are headed towards her and the convoy. Remember that it's going to take some time to calculate her position, find the nearest unit heavy enough to have a reasonable chance of success...

Meanwhile, Blücher and company complete their trip into port in 18 hours, because they sped up for the last part of the trip.

Interceptions at sea are hard, even assuming you have the target under constant surveillance.
 
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PAGDTenno said:
Yes, you are. You're assuming they will do the dumbest thing possible. I'm saying it is possible they won't, and you're refusing to even concede that, maybe, just maybe, the branches of the Wehrmacht weren't routinely shooting at each other, seeing as there was an actual war for the Allies to fight.

2) True. But see #1.

3) Oh really? Assuming Blücher radios in 240 nautical miles, or 1 day at an ordinary 10-knot cruising speed(remember, she's restricted by the merchies), out, the RN has to cover whatever the distance to her from their closest ship is, plus whatever additional distance she generates while the enemy warships are headed towards her and the convoy. Remember that it's going to take some time to calculate her position, find the nearest unit heavy enough to have a reasonable chance of success...

Interceptions at sea are hard, even assuming you have the target under constant surveillance.
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That is a fact, look at the Battle of Midway, had it not been for the Arashi Bombing Squadron 6 likely would have never found the Japanese Carriers just because they made a course correction.
 
The Germans might also have a prearranged codeword (I.e. "Tora Tora Tora") for "Hey I captured a convoy and am coming Home. More details to follow." as well as "Damage Suffered, returning for repairs."
I'm assuming that you need a longer message in order too accurately plot a location. Even if the British could trace a single word transmission, it wouldn't be any help if the Germans do it immediately, as the British already know that a battleship escorted by two heavy cruiser just captured Convoy HX-### at Coordinates XY.

Or the Germans could just wait to get in range for their float plane to make a one way trip home with the news.
 
Always Late said:
There's a few things you're missing.
1. You underestimate the infighting and poor communications of Nazi Germany's military branches. We're talking about the same air force that insisted any aircraft carrier designs have a Luftwaffe officer commanding Luftwaffe pilots and planes, and flat-out refused any sort of naval aviation. Additionally, communications between the Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine had to go to very high levels of command for even low-level communications.
2. What is 'one day out' for a ship at 20 knots is not the same as 'one day out' for a bomber or fighter.
3. Luftflotte 5 is still understrength from the casualties she took in the Battle of Britain, and mostly consists of ad-hoc groups. An organized, escorted push by the Royal Air Force and the Navy could push conceivably though the meagre defenses available.

We are not giving Germany any more of an Idiot Ball than the one they had historically.
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plus the Luftwaffe craft doesn't need to attack to screw her over. Remember how hard visual identification was from the air. More than likely the Luftwaffe pilot will see a cruiser, some merchant ships and radio it in for confirmation as is SOP. And the Luftwaffe codes were about as secure as a public wifi channel. Now if he is transmitting a identification code to the aircraft that changes everything... as long as the aircraft is German.
Thorthemighty said:
That is a fact, look at the Battle of Midway, had it not been for the Arashi Bombing Squadron 6 likely would have never found the Japanese Carriers just because they made a course correction.
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on the other hand Midway based Cat's and B-17's had no problem finding said carriers that morning, as did Yorktowns bombers.
 
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